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I don't see this enough and it is a way to cool the jets of the DE's! ey may come into form under Ramsey and look to D-Mac, Gardner, and Coles to get going as well. This move to Ramsey came 2 weeks to late. Would have liked Ramsey to have several games under his belt before these next 2 weeks. OH WELL!!!

HitDoctor wrote:I don't see this enough and it is a way to cool the jets of the DE's!

Normally I'd agree with you, but the Eagles d-line has been pretty good this year at spotting the screen.

Haven't Gibbs' offenses always had a hard time running a good screen pass? My dad always remarks that it just wasn't (and isn't) Gibbs forte.

Maybe more Norv-style draws on second (or third!) and long?

General Failure wrote:

HitDoctor wrote:I don't see this enough and it is a way to cool the jets of the DE's!

Normally I'd agree with you, but the Eagles d-line has been pretty good this year at spotting the screen.

Yeah, Portis would be of much more usein the passing game by actually making the Eagles linebackers cover him in open space.

Now why'd you have to go and edit that? Now I have to edit mine.

its hard to get Clinton involved in the passing game becuase the defense knows if they blits he can not get out in a patter (he will stay in and block the blitzer). And a blitz on a slow developing play like a screen is going to be big trouble. Just my 2 cents...go skins

Who remembers the doomed screen pass to Joe Washington at the end of the first half in the Super Bowl against the Raiders?

FatPat wrote:its hard to get Clinton involved in the passing game becuase the defense knows if they blits he can not get out in a patter (he will stay in and block the blitzer). And a blitz on a slow developing play like a screen is going to be big trouble. Just my 2 cents...go skins

The screen is designed to beat the blitz.

JPF asked

Who remembers the doomed screen pass to Joe Washington at the end of the first half in the Super Bowl against the Raiders?

It's called "rocket screen", and they used it to beat the Raiders earlier in the year. As Matt Millen would have said, "Fool me once..."

I think getting one of their linebackers in coverage on Portis would be great.

Consider: the H-back is half blocker, but ey is a TE...not a typical FB. ey blocks, and Portis matches against the LB.

HitDoctor wrote:I don't see this enough and it is a way to cool the jets of the DE's! ey may come into form under Ramsey and look to D-Mac, Gardner, and Coles to get going as well. This move to Ramsey came 2 weeks to late. Would have liked Ramsey to have several games under his belt before these next 2 weeks. OH WELL!!!

It would be nice if the screen was used lots but the real way to utilize CP properly is by RUNNING him.

Consider that in the Skins' three (official) victories, he carried 29,36, and 34 times. All 100-yard efforts. When losing, 20,23,20,25,17,17 runs. To me, this equates to a scalping of the eAGLES with enough attempts. It would be nice to see the gameplan to be sticking to the run tomorrow even if we encounter a 10 or 14 point hole early. If we can get him his fair share of carries, we can win this game..handily. 29+ times and a couple screens too, a good formula for success.

It would be nice if the screen was used lots but the real way to utilize CP properly is by RUNNING him.

Agreed. However, Gibbs downplayed the regular screen because he had single-purpose RB's. If Riggins was in the game, it was a smash-over run, partly because Riggins hands were always beated tin hamgurger. He was always taped and scaped, bitten and clawed in those pile-ups.

When Gibbs switched off to Joe Washington, it usually meant "fast ball", Washington as receiver with the run as a change-up.

Joe Gibbs has never had a runner as fast and elusive as Washington, as tough as Riggins (though smaller and weaker), and as good a receiver as anybody on the team...not before Portis. Never had anyone with as many different talents as Portis.

The screen might be back.

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Usually, Gibbs fought the blitz by:

- bashing the blitzers with the worlds best OL, a bunch called the Hogs (including Donnie Warren + H-back),

- and hitting Art Monk. Recall that Monk was a starting tailback in college. He ran. Example: Schroeder to Monk beat the all-out Buddy Ryan blitz in the '86/87 playoff against the "unbeatable" blitzing Bears.

welch wrote:JPF asked

Who remembers the doomed screen pass to Joe Washington at the end of the first half in the Super Bowl against the Raiders?

It's called "rocket screen", and they used it to beat the Raiders earlier in the year. As Matt Millen would have said, "Fool me once..."

Oh man, every single time NFL Films shows that Superbowl, they do a nearly 5-minute segment on that one play alone. They showed the play from earlier in the year, and then go on about how the Raiders put in a "pass defense specialist" linebacker who was ready for the screen all the way. . .

It's so painful to watch, I can't imagine what it would feel like had I watched it live.

1fan4ramsey wrote:I think getting one of their linebackers in coverage on Portis would be great.

No doubt, I don't think we have a linebacker who can cover Portis one on one, especially with Trotter now starting in the middle. It would be a great way for Ramsey to beat the blitz.

The screen is a nice option to counter the screen, but most D-linemen are smart enough to sniff out the gadget play.

redskincity wrote:The screen is a nice option to counter the screen

WHHHHAAAAATTTT ???

This unique screen to counter the screen is a play Ramsey worked on when he was the back up! It will surely confuse a few minds and could wind up being a "play of the week"!!

FFA:

It's so painful to watch, I can't imagine what it would feel like had I watched it live.

Like a punch in the gut.

Two plays in that first half: (a) Wonsley misses and Raider's block a punt for TD, and (b) last minute Rocket Screen to Washington from about the Washington 20, returned for TD.

My son, Redskin Dan of 1978, wanted to go with me and my neighbor (originally from from Oxon Hill) to watch on color TV with cable. I said "no", figuring he shouldn't be around so many adults drinking beer and screaming. It got very quiet as the gam went on. Finally, "Oxon Hill" and I tried to see who could name all the players from the '59 Senators...the team the broke the MLB record for consecutive losses, had Camilo Pascual, the best pitcher in the AL (17 wins, led league in strikeouts), finished first or second in homeruns (Killebrew, Allison, Lemon, Sievers), and lost about 13 in a row.

The one bad playoff game in Joe Gibbs's "first administration."