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Easy to run?
Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 5:14 pm
by USAFSkinFan
I keep hearing people say Ramsey's ability to stretch the field is going to make it "easy (for Portis) to run"... I'd love it, but I'll be shocked if that's the case. Ramsey has to learn to beat the blitz in order for there to be any running game. When Philly looks at the tapes from last year, their book on Ramsey is going to be Blitz, blitz, blitz right up those running lanes. Last year teams just had to show blitz and Patrick was falling all over himself causing endless false starts, time outs, expired clocks, and eventually sacks. Now it certainly wasn't all his fault, the line played pretty bad, but he was a big source of the confusion in those situations. Until he can prove that he can calmly recognize the blitz, know where his protection is coming from, know when he's unprotected, know when he needs to hit the hot route, and know when to audible... until then he and Portis will see all kinds of guys around the line of scrimmage...
Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 6:01 pm
by skinmadfan
like you said last year thats one thing gibbs does is block look old man brunell has only been sacked around 12times last year that was in two games it is going to be easy to run from the 2qrt on
Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 6:07 pm
by funbunch65
I agree Patrick Ramsey does have an awful time with blitzes. I think perhaps he has bad pocket precense. I don't know he just seems to take alot of sacks. Last year it was mostly because of Spurriers fun and gun offense, but he took a few against the Bengals and this year the line hasn't allowed very many. But if you don't send a blitz at Patrick he seems to pick defenses apart, just like on that touchdown throw sunday he had all day. So if I was setting up a defensive scheme against Patrick, I would definately send some guys after him. I think thats what we should expect from the Eagles on sunday.
Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 9:28 am
by chicosbailbond
i would like to see us add.. (and perfect) a good old fashioned screen play....
it just seems to me that portis in space is very tough for a defense to defend...
i reall like the outside screen we run for coles... that play always works... we always run that on the first drive but i never see it again all game... gibbs did add a wrinkle to that play splitting portis out there and running it... i like what gibbs is doing.... i know we aren't scoring points but i can see a method to his madness... he is taking his lumps now fellas... his little green playbook is getting tweaked.... we will be a-okay.....
Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 10:14 am
by Redskin Stouff
Ramsey has to beat the blitz and complete some throws, if he does that, the Eagles will back off.
How about Ramsey in the shotgun to but a few extra precious seconds?
Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 10:22 am
by smoakme
funbunch65 wrote:I agree Patrick Ramsey does have an awful time with blitzes. I think perhaps he has bad pocket precense. I don't know he just seems to take alot of sacks. Last year it was mostly because of Spurriers fun and gun offense, but he took a few against the Bengals and this year the line hasn't allowed very many. But if you don't send a blitz at Patrick he seems to pick defenses apart, just like on that touchdown throw sunday he had all day. So if I was setting up a defensive scheme against Patrick, I would definately send some guys after him. I think thats what we should expect from the Eagles on sunday.
i agree with what i have read so far, but i think the counter to that will be what play calls joe gibbs has in place against the blitz. getting portis out in the flat and using cooley should slow the blitz down if we can burn them a couple times.
i think we have a chance in this game if we establish the run early and control the TOP. this week will easily be the toughest challenge for our D.
Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 12:22 pm
by SkinsJock
Last year means nothing! Ramsey needs to get his timing down with his receivers and learn Gibbs (very tricky) offense.
IMO this is why Gibbs was waiting to bring him in and now he's been forced (by Brunell's inabilities) to bring him in sooner than he wanted. IMO Gibbs is also adapting to the NFL and was not ready for Mark to not make it!
This is going to take a little time but hopefully (for Patrick) he starts to get very good at reading what is happening across the line and has the presence to go to the play that the defense is giving him. Last week we saw him still looking very uncomfortable just after the snap and that needs to stop or we are (and him) in for a long afternoon.
Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 3:55 pm
by McMVP
Redskin Stouff wrote:Ramsey has to beat the blitz and complete some throws, if he does that, the Eagles will back off.
How about Ramsey in the shotgun to but a few extra precious seconds?
The Eagles won't be blitzing that much unless they have a decent lead.
Assuming the Eagles have the lead and Washington is forced to throw often....then yes they will come. And they will continue to come even if Ramsey complete a couple throwas and beats the blitz. Jimmy Johnson will not be convinced that he needs to back off after only a few plays. He will only changes the look and direction of where the next blitz is coming from.
Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 4:17 pm
by joebagadonuts
i seem to remember a few times last year when a dlineman had a hand on ramsey and he got away. he's a big guy. and i have yet to see this year, in his small amount of playing time, a sack where he held onto the ball too long.
he can't be much worse than brunell anyway.
Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 4:41 pm
by doroshjt
I just pray gibbs doesn't open up with 3 straight passes. I was pissed about that last week. Nothing like an interception followed by 3 and out. Establish the run and then open up with ramseys arm!
Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 5:08 pm
by Scottskins
everyone is saying Brunell hasn't been sacked that much, but he was sacked 15 times thru 8 and 1/2 games. Those aren't low numbers. This line is giving up some sacks, but with a guy who can get the ball down the field and a great running game, that should lighten up some.
Ramsey looked confident during the bengals game, and that alone will erase some of the sacks. Many of the sacks that were his fault last season were because he panicked. He doesn't look panicky to me this time.
Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 7:58 pm
by hkHog
doroshjt wrote:I just pray gibbs doesn't open up with 3 straight passes. I was pissed about that last week. Nothing like an interception followed by 3 and out. Establish the run and then open up with ramseys arm!
Wow! Thank you! That was apalling last week, I couldn't believe what I was seeing. That was THE worst playcalling I have ever seen! And against the worst run D in the league. We ran it eight times in the first half!
Well, teams are gambling a lot if they just blitz because if they miss Portis at the line or in the backfield he's gone. That said, our O-line and blocking are terrible so if they blitz they could have clear shots at Ramsey and Portis all day. I hope those dirtbags stop playing like dirtbags and try to help the offense out a little. The O-line may be so bad though that the Eagles can just rush four guys and beat up Ramsey. Our line (and Betts) have to step up big time on Sunday if we want a chance to win. However, I think we're going to see a very different approach this week. Gibbs is going to do some things differently given the change of QB and I hope he establishes the run early against the week Philly run D (however, after the Cincy game who knows?). The Steelers just ran the ball all day and kept TO and McNabb off the field. I would also like to see a mush more balanced running attack. Why don't we change the pace a bit and put Betts or Cartwright in there? I think McCants showed the coaches and us last week that we have more guys on the roster who can play than the eleven who go out there on every down. Those two backs can pound the ball and wear down the D for Portis making him that much more effective. I DON'T just want to see Betts coming in on every 3rd down to block (which he doesn't do very well) and having Portis, our best player) off the field when our 3rd down conversion rate is so terrible! Three words: MIX IT UP! Yes, yes, "in the Gibbs offense you always knew what was coming but you couldn't stop it because of execution." Well this team has shown that either it can't execute or the D in the new NFL can stop what's coming so lets switch it up a little.
Even though this all seems a bit negative, I am very excited about this game and think we have a good chance. I just hope we can establish the run, control the clock, and then see if our #2 ranked D can contain the Philly offense. The easiest way to stop them scoring though is to not let them have the ball! If we see another 46 pass plays to 17 run plays against a very bad run D like last week I am going to be very angry and very sad because we will not only have lost the game but not even have put ourselves in the position to win!
Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 9:58 pm
by funbunch65
McMVP wrote:Redskin Stouff wrote:Ramsey has to beat the blitz and complete some throws, if he does that, the Eagles will back off.
How about Ramsey in the shotgun to but a few extra precious seconds?
The Eagles won't be blitzing that much unless they have a decent lead
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McMvp
I think that is just ridiculous to say that the Eagles won't be blitzing that much. As far as I know the Eagles love to send pressure, thats there defensive trademark. Adding to that they know Patrick has been sacked many times in his young career in the NFL. I hope they don't come with pressure and do give him time to throw, if this happens tally up another in the victory column for the Washington Redskins.
Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 10:26 pm
by General Failure
funbunch65 wrote:As far as I know the Eagles love to send pressure, thats there defensive trademark.
That's a common misconception. Last year they blitzed often because the defensive line was creating no pressure on it's own. This year has been a different case.
Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 11:25 pm
by welch
Well this team has shown that either it can't execute or the D in the new NFL can stop what's coming
My guess is execution. The "new" NFL isn't all that new; the Redskins used to kill the heavy blitzing teams with solid blocking, breakout receivers, and cool-headed QB's. See the Bears playoff games after the '86 and '87 seasons, or the Eagles playoff after '90.
Gibbs has not finished building this Redskin team, but they are settling.
Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2004 9:48 am
by McMVP
funbunch65 wrote:McMVP wrote:Redskin Stouff wrote:Ramsey has to beat the blitz and complete some throws, if he does that, the Eagles will back off.
How about Ramsey in the shotgun to but a few extra precious seconds?
The Eagles won't be blitzing that much unless they have a decent lead
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McMvp
I think that is just ridiculous to say that the Eagles won't be blitzing that much. As far as I know the Eagles love to send pressure, thats there defensive trademark. Adding to that they know Patrick has been sacked many times in his young career in the NFL. I hope they don't come with pressure and do give him time to throw, if this happens tally up another in the victory column for the Washington Redskins.
What you say is true....but in the last season and a half, the Eagles run-D has shown weaknesses. They have made adjustments recently....but they have only been tested by Dallas since. Sunday they get a max-protect scheme and Clinton Portis. This is a much different situation. If Spurrier was the coach....the Eagles would come all day long.
Do they love to blitz? Of course....but they first have to stop what Washington will come at them with....the RUN. Gibbs is smart...he's not convinced that the Eagles can stop it just because they limited Dallas' run game on MNF.
I didn't say the Eagles wouldn't blitz at all without the lead....I just said they wouldn't be blitzing as much. It makes perfect sense. The score is 0-0 at kickoff....and if Washington starts running the ball into the Eagles secondary, do you really think JJ will be calling blitzes on Ramsey? Run blitzes perhaps...but that is another thing entirely...
Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2004 9:54 am
by JansenFan
Yeah, if you're basing run defense success or failure by how they did against the Cowboys, your bound for disappointment. Coach Gibbs and Coach Reid both know it, so I'm sure we'll be bringing it and you guys will be trying to stop it.
That being said, Ray Rhodes ignored the template for beating the Redskins last year, and lost a game they could have easily won.
I do expect to see more blitzing than usual, due to the fact that pressuring Ramsey was the key to success last year.
Hopefully, working with Coach Gibbs and company has improved his ability to see the rush and prepare for it, but at least early, I would expect for Coach Reid to find out for himself.