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He'd have been 36 on Monday.

Thats sucks. Live hard and die young, I guess. What a waste.

Dag...

One last time.

"Oh baby I like R*WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW"

Thats sad.

36 on Monday, wow.

The guy was a waste of life when he was alive but it's unfortunate that he had to die so young without ressurecting it.

Wu Tang Clan ain't nothin' to mess with!

R.I.P. Old Dirty Bastard.

Jake wrote:The guy was a waste of life when he was alive

man thats cold .....but true !!!

Jake wrote:The guy was a waste of life when he was alive but it's unfortunate that he had to die so young without ressurecting it.

Man thats pretty harsh, I don't think his fam. are thinking that. He wasn't the epitomoe of an upstanding citizen but he was a father.

Ok, maybe it was a little harsh but the dude never learned from his mistakes, therefore wasting his life and his potential.

Nevertheless, RIP Mr. Jones.

thats what crack rock does.... makes your heart explode

but seriously, 36 chambers of death is still one of my favorite albums. rip odb.

At least he got out of prison before dying, it would suck to die behind bars.

Maybe this will convince some kids out there to stop doing (or never start doing) drugs.

or cap all their teeth.

I am so very proud that I had to actually go to the link to find out who this guy was. I am saddened for the loss of life, but this is the life they choose. The hip-hop, rap, gangster thing glorifies crime and . This is what the kids look up to, it will become a generational curse.

too late.

Hip hop has done just as much to inspire racism as defeat it, unfortunately. Also, the hip hop culture isn't necessarily kind to all those who get caught up in it, who are usually lower-income innercity youths. As good as positive hip hop has been, the gangsta rap culture has been at least as negative.

gregory smith wrote: The hip-hop, rap, gangster thing glorifies crime and . This is what the kids look up to, it will become a generational curse.

This is a incorrect and percieved statement. However....

The gangster rap thing glorifies crime.

would be acurate

RIP ODB

cvillehog wrote:cowboys4life,
Hip hop has done just as much to inspire racism as defeat it, unfortunately. Also, the hip hop culture isn't necessarily kind to all those who get caught up in it, who are usually lower-income innercity youths. As good as positive hip hop has been, the gangsta rap culture has been at least as negative.

Hip Hop Inspire racism, more like bring it to the forefront. Hip hop has done more for race relations amongst the youth, then anything else. Gangsta rap is dead, the days of NWA and all that served its purpose , but true gangsta rap has been dead for some years. The whole point is , voilence and gangsta rap had NOTHING TO DO WITH THE DEATH OF ODB.

cowboys4life wrote:

cvillehog wrote:cowboys4life,
Hip hop has done just as much to inspire racism as defeat it, unfortunately. Also, the hip hop culture isn't necessarily kind to all those who get caught up in it, who are usually lower-income innercity youths. As good as positive hip hop has been, the gangsta rap culture has been at least as negative.

Hip Hop Inspire racism, more like bring it to the forefront. Hip hop has done more for race relations amongst the youth, then anything else. Gangsta rap is dead, the days of NWA and all that served its purpose , but true gangsta rap has been dead for some years. The whole point is , voilence and gangsta rap had NOTHING TO DO WITH THE DEATH OF ODB.

No, but drugs and money culture of hip hop did have lots to do with it.

There's no more drugs or money in rap right now than there was in rock during the 80s.

General Failure wrote:There's no more drugs or money in rap right now than there was in rock during the 80s.

No doubt.

But we are talking about the rap culture, and whether it is good for those underpriveledged youths who pin all their hopes and dreams on becoming a famous rapper or basketball player (that is part of the hip hop culture as well). Whether idolizing violence and drugs lifts up the downtrodden, or further separates them from mainstream society.

As far as hip hop helping race relations, I'm not sure I agree. I think we have come a long way since the racially charged times in this country, and your average American is at the least recially tolerant. But, if you've seen the reaction that someone walking down the street in baggy clothes or driving around blasting bass-heavy hip hop, gets from some segment of the population, you would understand what was said about negative hip hop's affect on racism.

cowboys4life wrote:

General Failure wrote:There's no more drugs or money in rap right now than there was in rock during the 80s.

See GF people tend to forget that the NY rappers idolized rock stars. The idolized the fast life they had.

Also alot of music back in the days had alot of sexual undertone.

Like this tina and ike song

"Rock me baby, rock me all night long, i want you to rock me till my back is blue."

People act like sex,drugs and violence is something new. They just basically mad that the artist are alot smarter then they used to be.

This argument doesn't really make a whole lot of sense.

You seem to think i'm putting hip hop down or saying that it is all bad.

I'm not. But, for any good, there is just as much bad. And, if you read the literature from people who work to help innercity youths, you will see it's not just some white guy from virginia saying that hip hop has had, and continues to have, a negative impact on lower-income, mostly black, youths.

I don't think it's the glorification of drug use by itself that is the problem. As was mentioned, drug use was a big part of rock for several decades, and jazz before that. But it's the thug persona that perpetuates racial stereotypes. And it's the drugs and guns (and knives) that threaten the lives of these young men.

Hey cowboys4life, check out the young buck post in this category. The rap culture glorifies this kind of thing. Sad.