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Just watched PTI, they were talking about how many yards Brunell will pass next week with the Bengals. Wilbon said above 180 and the other guy said below 100.

I'm going to have to disagree with Wilbon. If Brunell throws less than 60 yards against an awful defense (Lions) how is he going to do any better with a better Bengal's defense?


I'm tired of this loyalty to the Brunell from JGibbs. Enough of this crap! Bring Ramsey and let him learn how to play the game!
Do you think JGibbs believes Brunell will win us games????? What does he think...that he's still coaching in the 80s??

BOOnell SUCKS

I have lost it, can't take it anymore. I have held back for 9 weeks just trying to support the guy. But I cant do it anymore.

Please Joe Gibbs....at least give us 1 single quote of you ripping Brunell. Please!!!! That would make it a little better.
Just say, We need better QB play. That would make it less painfull.

I have heard Mike Sherman knock on Brett Favre before, do you think a coach has never said something after a bad (or MANY bad games) from Elway or Marino? And these are hall of fame QB's. Why is B00nell so protected????

Can't take it. I shall B00nell Brunell this week if he does have even an average game.

Haha, "the other guy." Haha.

Why is B00nell so protected????

Because that's just Joe Gibbs' style. He will NEVER knock a player in public. As jansenfan pointed out in a previous post, how do we know he hasn't knocked him in private, which is where it should be done.

hatsOFF2gibbs wrote:Just watched PTI, they were talking about how many yards Brunell will pass next week with the Bengals. Wilbon said above 180 and the other guy said below 100.

I'm going to have to disagree with Wilbon. If Brunell throws less than 60 yards against an awful defense (Lions) how is he going to do any better with a better Bengal's defense?


I'm tired of this loyalty to the Brunell from JGibbs. Enough of this crap! Bring Ramsey and let him learn how to play the game!
Do you think JGibbs believes Brunell will win us games????? What does he think...that he's still coaching in the 80s??

You know, someone really oughta keep a tally of Gibbs-bashing comments, wait for Gibbs to work his magic, and then bring the list back out again in about 6 weeks.

When did Joe Gibbs promise to have us in the playoffs this year?

Why isn't he entitled to run the system the way he sees fit without being bashed by fans for being stupid? Does anyone honestly think that the game has left Gibbs behind in the 80's? Even when we win a game he isn't cut any slack on this board, of all places. . .I'm understanding more and more why many regulars on the board haven't been posting recently; and I don't know, maybe its time to join them, and wait for better days when you don't have to wade through muck just to get back to some good discussion.

p.s. hatsoff2Gibbs this isn't really meant to be aimed directly at you. . .this thread is just the one that did it for me. . .

Man, we would have won some more games with Ramsey in there. Powder-bones is terrible. He did not contribute even .001% to our win against the Lions. He makes our team look bad. He's the worst qb in history and he's so old, he should just retire. Come on Gibbs, give Ramsey a game.

Why do you guys take comments about Brunell as if they are comments about Gibbs?

That's the same twisted logic that says disagreeing with Bush is equal to not supporting the troops. [NOTE: I am not assigning that position to anyone here, so don't be offended. It's just an analogy.]

cvillehog, just to clear things up. My particular comment was re:

What does he think...that he's still coaching in the 80s??

Browse any of these threads and it doesn't take long to find a Gibbs-bashing (or sarcastic) statement. Those are the ones that I reply to, I can't speak for those that take comments about Brunell to actually be about Gibbs. But the two are really overlapping on the board these days.

Unfortunately, Gibb's loyalty is killing our team. Sorry, but however good Gibbs is, he is making a mistake by not playing Ramsey. Admit it or not, Brunell is the one that is drowning this team, which CAN BE CHANGED BY OUR COACH.

Why do you guys take comments about Brunell as if they are comments about Gibbs?

........Oh thats easy! They cant protect Brunnel due to his lack of 'standard performance, so they try to substitute the facts with twisted perceptions about how we all have jumped ship and dont love Joe anymore.

........Oh thats easy! They cant protect Brunnel due to his lack of 'standard performance, so they try to substitute the facts with twisted perceptions about how we all have jumped ship and dont love Joe anymore.

RC do you get the mean PM's from users for your posts too? LOL.

No.... ::shakes head:: not lately.

I'm....Um... merely stating the truth.

FfA wrote:someone really oughta keep a tally of Gibbs-bashing comments

There should be a law against bashing Gibbs....it's un-American

There is only one rational concept for why burnell is stil ar starting QB. Ramsey must look horrible in practice. I understand the at Gibbs has alway shown an extreme loyalty to his players but that doesent justify the biggest coaching contract in NFL history. It has to be that Ramsey is looking horrible in practice. That is the only logical explanation.

Some of you all are being ridiculous about Brunnel, who is not my favorite QB. However, the problem with our skins if you look at the entire season is that at some critical point in every gaame one of the players makes a stupid mistake that every well coached Vet should not make.

I can think of 2or 3 touchdowns that Brunnel threw that were eliminated by penalties of his fellow players. Get real guys, besides Ramsey has never shown that he can play at this level. Why did Spurrier sit him down. Same reason Gibbs is afraid of , he has happy feet and cant make a quick read. A cannon for an arm a QB does not make.

Spurrier didn't sit ramsey, he had a broken foot.

I'd love to see Patrick starting but it's not going to happen yet. Gibbs will stick with Brunell if for no other reason than we have won 2 out of 3 games and been close in many others.

wamcma wrote: Ramsey has never shown that he can play at this level.

what the heck are you talking about after last year Q.B.ing a no run ,no blocking offense and still had very solid numbers :
11 games started and played
completed 179 of 337 passes (53.1 percent)for 2,166 yards
14 touchdowns to 9 interceptions.
one key stat is passes OVER 20+ yards 34.
Q.B. rating of 75.8.
remember he did all this with NO RUNNING GAME AND NO PASS PROTECTION.

redskinz4ever wrote:

wamcma wrote: Ramsey has never shown that he can play at this level.

what the heck are you talking about after last year Q.B.ing a no run ,no blocking offense and still had very solid numbers :
11 games started and played
completed 179 of 337 passes (53.1 percent)for 2,166 yards
14 touchdowns to 9 interceptions.
one key stat is passes OVER 20+ yards 34.
Q.B. rating of 75.8.
remember he did all this with NO RUNNING GAME AND NO PASS PROTECTION.

They need to sticky those stats.

Passes over 20 yards: 34

wamcma wrote:Ramsey has never shown that he can play at this level. Why did Spurrier sit him down. Same reason Gibbs is afraid of , he has happy feet and cant make a quick read. A cannon for an arm a QB does not make.

????????Ramsey went out with injuries last year due to lack of pass protection schemes.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/footba ... uries.html

I didn't see it myself, so it's heresay and not admissible in court, but I heard on the radio that George Michael asked Coach Bugel about the QB situation and he said that if Ramsey wants to play, he needs to step it up and practice and show he wants to play. He also said that while he doesn't get many snaps with the offense, he does lead the scout team every week and he needs to start making throws and leading the scout team to more points in practice.

Again, it's heresay so don't quote me on it. Just passing along some information that I heard on this subject.

I heard that too, one problem, isn't the scout team playing against our defense? Man they are good, shutting down our own scout team as well:)

Yeah, if he can score on our defense running our opponents offense, he will prove his abilities ten-fold.

JansenFan, I agree! If Patrick is playing well against this defence (admittedly as a scout team) each week then this would be a good indicator for him. This can only help in his development and also help prove himself with the coaches.

It seems to me that a lot of people are taking the situation out of context. This is not about who is a better QB but rather Joe's way of making a 5-11 travesty back into a dynasty again.

I do not want to get into the whole mess again as some people just cannot let this develop under Gibbs. IMO Gibbs thinks that at this time Mark is the better suited QB for both the people around him and what offense Joe wants to run

I also think/hope that Gibbs like the potential of Patrick and that he will be able to put him in there soon.

This will be a lot easier decision if it is supported by Patrick's practices.

UGH Ok first of all prior to the Lions game I agree there were tons of other issues that cost us games. BUT as of this past Sunday Brunnell is the problem. Brunnell missed wide open receivers, Brunnell over threw the ball. And do not tell me he was hurried blah blah blah, because veteran QB's should be able to handle that kind of thing from time to time. He needs to step it up or be a man and take a seat on the bench. Fake an injury or something. Ramsey may not practice well but after seeing Brunnell against inadequete defenses, I cannot imagine he practices well against our number 1 defense either.