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Looks like another year for the Skins to chase the Eagles.

Why didn't the Skins follow the Eagles plan and build around a QB? It is obvious that Management has no faith in Ramsey, they waste salary cap money on Brunnell and draft Sean Taylor instead of a QB like Ben Rothlisburger to build the franchise around.

Until the Skins understand this fundemental rule of building a football team, we will always be chasing the Top teams.

Welcome to the board, bro.
In case you hadn't noticed, the entire league is chasing the Eagles this year. They're unbeaten, and had a solid nucleus to build around aside from McNugget, not to mention a scheme thats been in place for years now.
The addition of what's-his-name at WR didn't hurt, either.
The Redskins, on the other hand, are starting essentially from scratch. Once again, new coach, new scheme. New O-Line, for all intents and purposes. New D-Line...aw, heck. New Team, okay ? Everything is different, and it isn't like we were World Beaters last year. All the Eagles needed was one or two pieces to complete the puzzle.
The Redskins needed a table to put the puzzle on so they could start to put it together.
Joe thought Brunell would be a good stop-gap QB to keep us competitive while Patches was getting up on his learning curve.
Is it working out perfectly ? No. But Joe knows that, and I think he'll figure something out. Patience is the key here.
The Eagles phenomenon did not happen overnight. Neither will we.

j2cp wrote:Looks like another year for the Skins to chase the Eagles.

Why didn't the Skins follow the Eagles plan and build around a QB? It is obvious that Management has no faith in Ramsey, they waste salary cap money on Brunnell and draft Sean Taylor instead of a QB like Ben Rothlisburger to build the franchise around.

Until the Skins understand this fundemental rule of building a football team, we will always be chasing the Top teams.

Welcome to the site "j2cp". Very valid point. The quaterback situation is a very popular topic here, most think Ramsey should be put in to see if he's worthy to build a team around. We know one things for sure...Brunell's not. The skins may be chasing philly for a long time. The team is poised to be together for a while, they have very little salary cap issues to worry about.

While it's great to look at Philly's model of building around McNabb, I wonder if you were one of the countless Philly fans who were booing the Eagles the day they drafted Mcnabb over Ricky Williams?

j2cp wrote:Looks like another year for the Skins to chase the Eagles.

Why didn't the Skins follow the Eagles plan and build around a QB? It is obvious that Management has no faith in Ramsey, they waste salary cap money on Brunnell and draft Sean Taylor instead of a QB like Ben Rothlisburger to build the franchise around.

Until the Skins understand this fundemental rule of building a football team, we will always be chasing the Top teams.

If Maddox hadn't been injured Big BEn would STILL be a project.
The Gints and Bolts both dratfed QBs to "build" around but where are these Franchise QBs .... on the bench (learning the ropes) Cincy did the same thing last year how is that working out?
Ramsey is learning just like these other guys but he has had real game experience and learning from the best..plus he had a lot to unlearn
Sean Taylor was the right pick in the draft or haven't you noticed the number of safteys that have went down this year.
What we need to do is build a offense around this defense

Thank you all for welcoming me to the board. The Eagles are a rare breed in the NFL these days. A team built with a plan, designed to win consistently and one destined to stay together for a long time. You say the Skins are rebuilding yet, I don't see that. You trade for Portis, A great running back but wrong for the offensive system in place. Also one that will be on the downside by the time the Skins rebuild. You draft a player at a position that in the grand scheme of things has no real impact on the team.

The mistake thet the Skins are making is one that many teams make. They are stuck in the NFls no mans land. A team that will win 7-9 games every year which does not allow them to rebuild properly as they chase dreams or piece together a player here or there to get to 10 wins.

Oh, no. No, no, no.
Safety was a position that needed upgrading, definitely. Kellen Winslow was the other choice there in that draft at TE, since we figured we had the QB we needed while Patches was developing. We chose ey, and that's working out okay.
Winslow has since shown us, in myriad ways, why it was a good idea to pass him by.
I won't say "rebuilding", at least not in the sense that you're using the word. What we were trying to do was to get some "Gibbs-Type" guys on board, and see how far we could get with that. Sadly, injuries to several key positions, and a general struggle with yet another schematic change has prevented the Redskins from doing what we all thought they could do.
I, personally, was thrilled with Brunell when we signed him.
My feelings are slightly changed, since.
You discount the presence of Reid and his system over five years with Philly. That's a dangerous thing to do, in my view.
Give credit where credit is due.

j2cp,
Ummm, I would hope Portis isn't on his "down hill" side of his career by the time we get it turned around because he's 22-23 yrs old...

I don't forsee the skins being worthless for that long, however, after this debacle this year, who knows...

I don't think we have to worry about Portis being on his downside, we will have to get rid of him well before that do to salary cap problems. He'll be a Redskin for 3 years max. Just like Gibbs, 3 years max.

1fan4Patches, that's kind of harsh. I'm guessing you're a younger guy. Portis and Joe will be around for more than three years. I promise you that.
Don't get so down on your team, man. It will all straighten out. I know it doesn't look good right now, but you gots to have faith.
Surely, you've got some thick old callouses from all this losing by now, right ?
Let it bounce off of you. It ain't nothing a three-game win streak won't cure.
That will start this week. Take that to the bank.

j2cp wrote:Thank you all for welcoming me to the board. The Eagles are a rare breed in the NFL these days. A team built with a plan, designed to win consistently and one destined to stay together for a long time. You say the Skins are rebuilding yet, I don't see that. You trade for Portis, A great running back but wrong for the offensive system in place. Also one that will be on the downside by the time the Skins rebuild. You draft a player at a position that in the grand scheme of things has no real impact on the team.

The mistake thet the Skins are making is one that many teams make. They are stuck in the NFls no mans land. A team that will win 7-9 games every year which does not allow them to rebuild properly as they chase dreams or piece together a player here or there to get to 10 wins.

In this day and age you rebuild while winning so you really don't have a no man's land either you're on you way up or you are on your way out. Joe signed on for 5 years and put together a staff that will have a residule effect when he leaves. The staff was where we had to start the process, the coaching staff was turning over like the roster (you can't win with that much turnover from either if you have it from both you have no chance.....that was where we were). In the draft we took the best player to fit our needs as oercieved by the new staff. A player at a postion of no real impact on the team ...ask or CBs do they hesitate on there blitz assignments knowing the have a saftey as fast as they are and as big as a LB behind them..ask opposing QBs.
Gibbs decided to pick up Portis in a trade when Gibbs was the only one who knew what the offense's scheme would be so to say we picked up RB that was wrong for the system makes no sinse at all.
You say the Iggles are build to stay together for a long time ..no they aren't look at the last 2 pick ups Trotter and Douglas 2 years max if anything the had a mold and they broke it... not going out paying big money for names but finding that diamond in the rough and devloping them ...thats not what they did this year T.O. and the Freak wouldn't have gottena second look a few years ago, so far it's paying off for them SO FAR but this is season ain't over and anything other than a trip here will be a failure for them. But with Washington we can already point to massive improvements.
1. The fans hate the starting QB and no new QB was signed to start after the bye week
2. We have a coach who knows the names of all of his players not just the Offense
3. the #1 defense in the league (the one thing everyone said would be a problem for years to come)
When you rebuild a team that was in the shape that we were in you start at the top and work your way down, by the way what was the last move that Danny made......Oh Yeah he got out of Joe's way and is letting the coach run the show.
If you don't see it you're looking in the wrong place

1niksder wrote:If you don't see it you're looking in the wrong place

Actually, because of responses like these, this guy is looking in exactly the right place.
Nice work, Niks.

AHAHA McNugget, that's a good 1 How come I never thought of that?

j2cp wrote:Thank you all for welcoming me to the board. The Eagles are a rare breed in the NFL these days. A team built with a plan, designed to win consistently and one destined to stay together for a long time. You say the Skins are rebuilding yet, I don't see that. You trade for Portis, A great running back but wrong for the offensive system in place. Also one that will be on the downside by the time the Skins rebuild. You draft a player at a position that in the grand scheme of things has no real impact on the team.

The mistake thet the Skins are making is one that many teams make. They are stuck in the NFls no mans land. A team that will win 7-9 games every year which does not allow them to rebuild properly as they chase dreams or piece together a player here or there to get to 10 wins.

With that said, lets see if you guys can get more than T-shirts and hats this year??

I think "Walmart" is having a sell on those very same
items.

We are work in progress and when we get [i]another Trophy[/i] we will not troll it in your face. We will be content to sit here and post with glee.

We should swing a trade for a black QB. Our O-Line has improved since last year but still not a good one. I'm guessing we're gonna lose Samuels or at least trade him which will be a setback. Putting a black QB with a decent arm in our offense could really work out well. Not a pocket fat QB like Byron Leftwich either. I'm talking about a Mike Vick, Aaron Brooks kind of guy. Maybe we shouldnt have let go of my man Brad Banks last year....

Redskins4Life wrote:We should swing a trade for a black QB.

I'm getting out of here before the flame war.

Redskins4Life wrote:We should swing a trade for a black QB. Our O-Line has improved since last year but still not a good one. I'm guessing we're gonna lose Samuels or at least trade him which will be a setback. Putting a black QB with a decent arm in our offense could really work out well. Not a pocket fat QB like Byron Leftwich either. I'm talking about a Mike Vick, Aaron Brooks kind of guy. Maybe we shouldnt have let go of my man Brad Banks last year....

You're right, black QB's seem to have great arms as well as most of them are pretty mobile: "McNugget", McNair, Culp, Vick, Kordell in his "prime" (haha). I think they are just better athletes.

Smithian i wasnt trying to offend anyone, but isnt it pretty evident black QB's are more mobile than white ones? lol. And plus, can you name me a white QB who can even come CLOSE to McNugget Vick and Culpepper?

Brunell........9 years ago!!

Welcome to the site, j2cp!

I think you can quickly see that most of the fans here are pretty up on where we are and where we hope to go. We are paying for some past mistakes, sure, but we have Joe back and this has just begun.

By the way in the 1st post you refer to "we" and then later you refer to "they"! Are you with us or agin us? Either way you're welcome to stay and enjoy the ride, back to the top of the NFC East.

The key to winning in the NFL is to build a nucleus and then fill players around it. If you look at the Eagles you will see that the majority of the key players and almost all starters a signed on through 2007. The signing of the Freak and T.O. are because the model allowed it. They had the cap room to secure the cream of the available players and will so in the foreseeable future. You have a bling faith about Gibbs and his diciples, I guess that was what made Joe Bugel such a good coach. Andy Reid and the Eagles model are the gold standard that organizations in the new NFL strive for.

I really can't though see how Skins fans can justify the picking of a Safety with the 7th pick in the draft? A solid player, no doubt but not a position to build around. The Skins will rue the day they passed on Rothlisburger

The safety we picked will set the standard of how the pos will be played.... it was the 5th pick in the draft.
Illy had so much cap space they let staley go and cross their fingers at the CB position. What else does this "model" allow
The draft selections we made this year will contribute well beyond 2007 and they will only get better within that time. We will get the type of players that Joe wants and the league will wish he had stayed retired. This is his 1st year and there are a few things ...OK quite a few things he will need to undo. There were guys on the market this past free agent signing period that we would have jumped on without a second thought in years pass, but those days are gone
Gibbs will make the right choices for us for years to come, this year is a chance for Joe to learn the changes that have taken place over the last ten years. Once we get a GM involed it will be a whole knew ballgame

yes Big Ben is looking great, but we won't miss him. We have PRam in the fold already, and he will be one of the top 5 QBs in the league in a couple years.

As far as the Eagles model being the Gold standard, how so? They haven't won anything yet except for a few playoff games. They have been in by far the easiest division for awhile now and have done what they should do. I seriously doubt anybody is trying to model them. If anyone is modeling anything it's the Rams and more recently the Patriots.

Justification for picking Sean Taylor was that he was the best player available, plain and simple. If you pick for needs, you'll soon find out you've missed out on some of the best players in the league...

Big Ben was also what the 3rd QB taken? Guess a couple other teams got some explaining to do as well eh? The Draft is a crap shoot, especially at the QB position. That's why you always take the best player available and not necessarily what you feel you need at the time...

j2cp wrote:The Skins will rue the day they passed on Rothlisburger

Which day would that be ? The day Taylor sacks that kid ?

Just curious... if we build a team in the Eagles' likeness... do we have to lose every time we get to the conference final?

... not that it wouldn't be nice to GET to a conference final.

Thanks Boss! If it's so easy to know who is going to succeed in the NFL why was DM not taken higher in that draft.

On another note - I am glad that we have (or seem to) a plan that includes "core Redskins" and not players like TO & JK. I respect their talent but IMO these guys are a huge risk for team chemistry! Can you imagine what TO would be like if he were in our offense right now?

I respect everyone's right to express their opinions, but to question the original Hog is just going to make me think you do not really know too much. I guess the NE pats were idiots for taking that hopeless coach out of Ohio?