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Speaking of dirty players

Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 9:07 am
by NikiH
John Lynch comes to mind. I know we talked about his late hard hit a few weeks ago. So I already didn't like him going into the game. But last night I saw something I didn't understand until it was explained to me (thanks Jansenfan). John Lynch towards the end of the first quarter would jump on an already downed Bengal, holding him down. Trying to delay the line from getting back up and getting back to the line in a timely manner. The refs of course didn't call it. I know I've never seen this in an NFL game before. Is it common and I've just missed it, or is it something only the scum of the NFL try?

Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 9:46 am
by TexasCowboy
I my self hate that when a player holds you down and doesn't allow you to get back to the
line and possible get one more play off


especially when the game is on the line once you tackle a player you should be made to get
off so they can get back to the line

if players insist on doing that then flag them 5 yards and give back the time lost

Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 9:47 am
by TexasCowboy
But IMO that doesn't make them dirty players

Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 9:50 am
by Scooter
George Foster is at the top of my list - he broke that kids ankle - from behind, 10 yards from the play. Pure Cheapshot.

Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 9:56 am
by TexasCowboy
Hell the hit Arrington layed on Aikman after the ball was gone is a cheap shot in my book

Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 10:01 am
by cvillehog
TexasCowboy wrote:Hell the hit Arrington layed on Aikman after the ball was gone is a cheap shot in my book


Aikman hasn't ever called it a cheap shot...

Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 10:02 am
by TexasCowboy
Aikman doesn't remember what happend the day before any more

Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 10:28 am
by SkinsBigtime
Mark Carrier was a pretty big hitter back in the day. I'm sure a weekly helmet-to-helmet fine was a normal occurrence. :D


](*,)

Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 2:01 pm
by cvillehog
TexasCowboy wrote:Aikman doesn't remember what happend the day before any more


Every hit that results in a concusion is a dirty hit now?

Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 2:12 pm
by TexasCowboy
only when the ball is clearly gone and the defensive player still intentionaly hits
the qb

I am sure Aikman would have loved the new protection of the QB rule that is in place

Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 2:44 pm
by cvillehog
TexasCowboy wrote:only when the ball is clearly gone and the defensive player still intentionaly hits
the qb

I am sure Aikman would have loved the new protection of the QB rule that is in place


Get off it already, ok?

Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 3:03 pm
by TexasCowboy
Get off what? it is the truth Aikman would love to have the same rules that protect QB's
today

these late hits are killing quaterbacks

Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 5:51 pm
by redskincity
I told yall their line is dirty. I saw Denvers line falling and rolling all night long.

John Madden spent like 15 minutes talking about and did not want to let it go. It bothers alot of people and the league should do something about it.

...Or maybe teams should gun for their players and give them a tatse of their own feces :twisted:


Oh yeah and John Lynch does come into hits late and hard. He is a borderline bum for doing it. :roll:

Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 5:56 pm
by redskincity
TexasCowboy wrote:Get off what? it is the truth Aikman would love to have the same rules that protect QB's
today

these late hits are killing quaterbacks



Well if the rules were diffrent then, how is that dirty? :thump:

Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 7:47 pm
by TexasCowboy
That's just it the rules were not differnt then

Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 7:51 pm
by NikiH
RC thanks for getting my back. I wasn't saying he was dirty for the hitting or the holding the player down on its own. It's a combination of those things. And the blatent use of those things.

As far as Lavar goes, it is so funny to me how the Cowboys fans constantly say Lavar has nothing and then bring this "hard" hit up like it was something horrible he did. Make up your damn mind would you.

Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 8:19 pm
by redskincity
TexasCowboy wrote:That's just it the rules were not differnt then


OK you have legally confused me. :shock:

Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 8:33 pm
by redskincity
NikiH wrote:RC thanks for getting my back. I wasn't saying he was dirty for the hitting or the holding the player down on its own. It's a combination of those things. And the blatent use of those things.

As far as Lavar goes, it is so funny to me how the Cowboys fans constantly say Lavar has nothing and then bring this "hard" hit up like it was something horrible he did. Make up your damn mind would you.


No problem.

Lynch is very intense and I have seen him do dirty stuff over the years. The most recent was the preseason game, when he came in late and hit CP in the head while he was already tackled and down.

As far as Lavar and Cowboy fans go, If I was to write a book I would be titled, "Contradictive behaviors, thy should not lie."

Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 8:35 pm
by cvillehog
There were a couple plays in that game where Lynch seemed to be guilty of "piling on" after the play was dead, though they never called it. Come to think of that, when is the last time you can think of that penalty being called?

Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 9:43 pm
by tcwest10
You have to love Romo for dirtiest player in the past ten years.
That guy is a complete headcase.
Corey Fuller, Hardy Nickerson, Kevin Gogan, Jerome Woods, Erik Williams, Steve Wisniewski...
Welch would probably bring up John Sample's name, although his worst offenses came as a Colt.
All time ?
Dobler or Tatum. Take your pick. Dirtiest bastards ever.
The game would not be the same without 'em. :)

Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2004 6:07 am
by TexasCowboy
redskincity wrote:
TexasCowboy wrote:That's just it the rules were not differnt then


OK you have legally confused me. :shock:


The NFL when Aikman played didn't crack down on the hits on quaterbacks

the rules today are alot tougher then when Aikman played

Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2004 8:02 am
by cvillehog
TexasCowboy wrote:
redskincity wrote:
TexasCowboy wrote:That's just it the rules were not differnt then


OK you have legally confused me. :shock:


The NFL when Aikman played didn't crack down on the hits on quaterbacks

the rules today are alot tougher then when Aikman played


The confusion comes from the disidence between you said the rules were the same, and when you said the rules were different.

Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2004 8:59 am
by TexasCowboy
I never said the rules were the same I said they were not the same

Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2004 10:02 am
by cvillehog
TexasCowboy wrote:I never said the rules were the same I said they were not the same


Um...

See this in your post above?

TexasCowboy wrote:That's just it the rules were not differnt then

Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2004 12:28 pm
by welch
Tatum. For career consistency.

And (?) Blount, from the Steelers, who broke Daryl Stingley's neck.

Wow, I thought Johnny Sample had faded into oblivion!

Then there was Chuck Bednarik's hit on Frank Gifford, Bednarik standing over Gifford as if in pride, Gifford hurt so badly that he was almost paralyzed.

Tataum and Blount were lucky that the NFL outlawed the crackback block, because Charlie Taylor used hat block to punish guys like them.