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After the Bucs game, there were a ton of people saying, "We're gonna go 6-0! We're gonna go 6-0!"

Now, after three straight losses, a lot of people are saying, "This team sucks! We're going nowhere!"

Folks, I think we're just in the middle of the road. We're not gonna be great...but we're not as bad as 1-3, either.

Let's just ride this wave out and let the players learn the new schemes under the new coaches. Barring any continuing injuries, watch this team improve each week throughout the year.

(While we may not get into the playoffs, wouldn't you love to be the spoiler for the Cowboys on 12/26 to knock them out of any playoff contention?)

Like DEHog and many others have said, let's be patient...and try to avoid being extremists.

Justice Hog wrote:After the Bucs game, there were a ton of people saying, "We're gonna go 6-0! We're gonna go 6-0!"

avoid being extremists.

I never said 6-0.... but I did say 10-6
I'm gonna be patient ...but I'm also a extremist
When it comes to the Skins....
So all those that want to jump off the bandwagon
I'm willing to give them a push

I never liked Portis and I always thought 8-8. You don't let a 22 year old all pro go. Especially if he is a rb.

I agree 100% JH. I always thought that 6-0 crap was ridiculous. If people said we should be 6-0, why didn't they just say we should be 16-0?

The truth of the matter is that the Redskins were in such disarray that it was not going to get turned around in one season. Joe Gibbs knows full well that it's going to take more than one season. A real fan will have faith. I've noticed in a few threads today that some people are saying we suck, and some have even hinted that they're throwing in the towel. How ridiculous is that? And they call themselves fans? I think that perhaps they should jump on the Eagles bandwagon or something, because the Redskins don't really need fans like that. What they need are fans that are going to support them through this difficult time, as well as have faith in the system. It leads me to think that the ones that have thrown in the towel weren't around for Joe Gibbs first term.

They need to relax and let this thing take shape. They have to realize that not only were we a bad team last year, but there are a LOT of new players this year. There is NO WAY that type of thing can be corrected in one season. I said it from the start that we have to be prepared for a sub-500 season and to not bail out if that happens. Now, at 1-3 people are dropping like flies. HAVE FAITH people!!!!! This thing will get turned around. As Joe Gibbs said last week, and this is a quote: "I'm giving it everything I have to turn it around". And, who's going to doubt what he can bring to the table? I'm quite angry at these so called fans who jump ship four weeks into the season.

HAVE FAITH IN JOE GIBBS!!!

I had high hopes for the season...and still do. I always had wild-card in the back of my head...not winning the division or anything like that. In my opinion the NFC is open for takers at this point.

1niksder...if you need help pushing them off....let me know...we have been through worse as Skins fans.

Justice Hog....I agree that the defense is not as bad as 1-3...but the offense is at this point.

At least we have Joe G and that gives us something to look forward to, unlike the past few seasons.

JPFair wrote:I've noticed in a few threads today that some people are saying we suck, and some have even hinted that they're throwing in the towel. How ridiculous is that? And they call themselves fans? I think that perhaps they should jump on the Eagles bandwagon or something, because the Redskins don't really need fans like that. What they need are fans that are going to support them through this difficult time, as well as have faith in the system. It leads me to think that the ones that have thrown in the towel weren't around for Joe Gibbs first term.

HAVE FAITH IN JOE GIBBS!!!

I am one of those that say we suck. Just because I say that doesn't mean I'm not a true fan. It's called observing what's going on without wearing a pair of homer glasses. I've stuck with this team through thick and thin. Maybe we can turn it around. I don't know. I guess this is a rebuilding year.

I said it and we should be.
We lost 3 close games on stupidity. You guys cant dispute that.
If we did not have the Talent and the talent was not dropping balls and causing phantom turnovers.....
this would be a non-issue.


Sha-bong!

Greetings, all.

I am one of those old diehard Redskin fans who have seen them highs and lows, from Gene Brito to Joe Rutgens to Lavar Arrington.

This will take time. I don;t expect any particlar won-loss record.

I know -- know from experience that Joe Gibbs will make this a coherent, tough team again.

Has the game moved one? No.

Have other coaches figured out how to stop Gibbs' offense? No. It was never a "figuring out" sort of issue. Defensive coaches are playing the same defense they always have. Gibbs relies on precision, and this Redskins team doesn't have it yet. Neither does he yet have a first-class OL and DL -- he's missing about two players on either side.

We knew that in June. What's changed? Jansen was hurt, so Gibbs is playing one more reserve at OL.

Don't panic. Don't predict final won-loss record. Just believe and watch the team get better.

It's okay to say the team sucks, when they do, and still be a fan. Just support the team when your at the games. If somebody jumps off the bandwagon because of the bad start, let them they are not real fans and we don't need them.

Gibbs will turn this thing around. The players have a ton of talent what they don't have is the mental toughness needed to win games. That is to stop making the same mistakes over and over. Gibbs will have them prepared sooner rather than later and I'm still going to be cheering at that time.

As others have said, it is not time to jump ship, but instead a time to stay the course. One thing about Gibbs is that he learns from mistakes. You had better bet that the team will have its own backup communications system the next game, especially the next road game.

At some point the game comes down to the fundamentals, blocking, tackling, running and catching. The turnovers must be eliminated, and all you can do is work on this in practice. This will take time, and the true fans will hang in there through thick and thin.

Well....I for one will be just as loud for every home game (no matter what the Skins record) as I was for the Bucs and Boyz games!

And so will I. And, when we can all honestly say that Gibbs has righted this ship, I'm going to think back and laugh at all the bandwagon fans that were jumping ship after only four games.

I'm a true fan who said 6-0 then 15-1 then 14-2 now 13-3, but man our offense really sucks. We can't score and thats a major problem. Our biggest game was 21 against the cowboys. We won't win even with a fantastic defense if we never score. The reason things look ok, is that our defense is keeping us amazingly in the games. I think with lavar in the last two games we might have won them both. Should easily be 3 and 1, but our major flaw is no offensive line and lack luster performances by the wide receivers. I think our QB is lacking as well, but with everyone dropping passes and fumbling I can't get a fair evauluation on brunell yet. But man oh man, how many losses are we allowed before its ok to say we suck. Next week we play our first team that we aren't suppose to win against. Lets see how we do.

We can't score and thats a major problem. Our biggest game was 21 against the cowboys.

We scored 21 points in a game this year?

whoops, your right, the cowboys scored 21, we only got 18, damn, its worse then I thought.

doroshjt asks:

how many losses are we allowed before its ok to say we suck?

Actually, you can say the Redskins suck right now! I think they suck right now. A lot of people say they suck right now.

Even though I think they "suck", I still think they'll improve each week as the season progresses....and I will still passionately root for them week in and week out.

Let's all remember this, the Redskins right now are not, I repeat, NOT, a "Joe Gibbs" team. They are the remnants of a Steve Spurrier team, trying to be de-programmed and taught a new system. Joe will make adjustments, he will make the changes that he can, but the fact is, he is not working with "his" people yet. Given that, the fact that the players aren't throwing in the towel in the 4th quarter, but are still out there, trying to pull out a win, says a lot about the difference Coach Gibbs is making. It'll take time to teach the Redskins how to play Joe Gibbs-style football (think about Ramsey), and there will be some disappointments along the way. But that having been said, they WILL make the changes, they won't stagnate, they won't just roll over and accept defeat anymore. Joe won't let them, he won't let his coaching staff, and he won't let himself. Have faith! It'll get turned around.

hey guys this is my first post, but anyways, i honestly had high hopes as much as you guys, but after just seeing the way the offense is playing, i really do see how hard it is for an offense to change its playbook every year, someone mentioned to me awhile ago the falcons are doing good even with the coach change, but have u seen their offense, vick doesnt even get the west coast yet, hes throwing very few passes cus its obvious they dont trust he even knows the scheme yet, their defense has it goin for them, but the point is it takes awhile to change offenses its not a simple thing especially coming off of spurrier, at first i thought gibbs was going to do good immediately here, but now, i know he will do good, but im seeing alot of what dick vermeil did with the rams, he did horrible his first TWO seasons then won the superbowl... guys gibbs is determined to win a bowl in his second term, and he has 5 years to do it, i know weve been patient for so long but i just see nothing but good for us now, we have no unknowns, we know where gibbs is gonna get us and it looks nice

welcome to the board Ryan.

well, I've stayed away from the board since the game ended, cause I didn't wanna say something stupid lol. I still may....

I'm still pretty depressed about the whole deal, but what can ya do. I've had an extreme amount of faith in this team and it's coaches. That faith took a large hit yesterday. Not in the coaches of course, but definitely in the offenses ability to move the ball. The first three games were all dominated by us. We should or at least easily Could have been 3-0. We weren't though. 1-2 and I was still seriously optimistic. We just weren't quite clicking on offense, but we were very close.

Yesterday we got whooped, plain and simple. We played a team that we definitely should have beat, especially considering we had just lost two games we also should have won. I haven't seen the offense look that bad in quite awhile. I think Portis may have something there when saying the Browns had our plays. I distinctly remember one play where Portis broke to the outside and couldn't get around the end. I couldn't believe the Browns beat him to the corner. Did they know that's where he was going? Makes me wonder now....

My faith in Brunell was low before, but it's at an all time low now. He looked so very bad. I'm now concerned that Gibbs is too personally attached to him and won't pull him unless he absolutely has to, meaning an injury.

Something has got to start working on offense. I know Gibbs is partly to blame, because of poor time management and mebbe having the offense a bit too complicated for them right now. Brunell is largely to blame IMO. He does so many things wrong, it's just sad. He's been a great QB in this league, and there's no excuse for what he's doing here in washington. Obviously Portis with the fumbles, Coles and Gardner with the drops, and the line with penalties and horrible blocking at times are also to blame.

In my mind, it all comes down to this. Brunell aint going anywhere, Gibbs will keep him in. It's up to him to start a fire here. If he starts playing like he can, the defenses will open up, portis will get more room, the line will have less rushers and the poor defense will have some breathing room and really dominate.

I know it's coming, but man o man is it hard to watch them play like this. They are, or at least were before this last game, so so close to be consistent. I hope this was a case of the browns knowing what was going on, or simply a fluke, and we get back to where we were and keep improving from there. I don't want to watch any more games like that last one for awhile.

End Rant....

I was one of the extremists who said 6-0, but I would say it again if you put me back in time. The thread where this caused the most contraversy was one started by oafusp, where he took a look at the schedule and saw the next 5 games (after the Bucs) as winable. Who could have guessed 7 turnovers against New York? Who wouldn't have liked to believe that Joe would win against the Boys at home on Monday night. How about the Browns? And who doesn't want to beat the Ravens, or at least thought that we might when they lost to the Browns on opening day?

Yeah, things didn't work out so well. I was wrong. But it was an educated guess, not just extremism. Or maybe other people on the website knew that we'd somehow get 7 turnovers in a single game, have some poorly officiated plays in another. . .or that (of all things) penalties and turnovers would really be our downfall under Gibbs?

Everyone on this board seems to say after each game that we "should have won that one, plain and simple." Well, guys like me and oafusp aren't extremists, we just believed that Gibbs would more than likely win the winable games. I guess I should apologize for being an optimist. . .?

I might not be saying 13-3, but I think we could see a Schotty-esque turnaround and still make 8-8 or better. Things could click at any moment, I think.

Actually, Schotty pulled a "Gibbs-esque" turnaround, remember, in Joe's first year he lost the first 8, then finished the season 8-8.

DESkins - I think JG lost his first 5 and Marty was 3-5 and ended up 8-8! Whatever - the point (I think) you're trying to make is that things can get turned around!

I am optimistic. I think we are very close to getting on track and playing like we are capable. Then, who knows, 3-3?

go skins!

1) Anything is possible in the NFL today. 2) Everything we're doing wrong is correctable. We're not getting blown out - we're in the game until the end - we have talent. Once we make adjustments and correct the drops and penalties, we'll go on a tear.

The same thing happened to both. They both went 0-5 and ended the season at 8-8. It doesn't matter if the Redskins go 1-15 or 3-13 this year, the change is coming. My only concern with the 6-0 thread was that people automatically assume that Gibbs can go 6-0. Anyone can tell you it's one game at a time. Every team has it's own problems, and ours are deep rooted. They can not be fixed in the first six games of a season. But, make no mistake about it, it will be fixed.

All this negativity about our team this year is ludicrous. I for one, do not follow the Redksins only when they win. I am just as strong and enthusiastic when they're struggling as when they're winning. Right now, they're losing. But, until such time as theyv'e turned it all around, I'll be at every home game cheering loudly for them. I won't even say they suck. I'll say something more like they have a lot of work to do. But no one person is directly responsible for it. If after two or three years Gibbs hasnt' made a strong impact maybe then critics can lambaste him. But, until then, give the man a chance. Thank God he doesn't pay much attention to what the media and others are saying.

Good post, JPF. I think some are more than a little frustrated and just venting. A number of people have preached patience and i agree. Going from 1-2 to 1-3 is just 1 loss!!
We need to give both players and coaches time. As your avatar suggests we should let it develop and have faith in one of the best coaches ever to get everyone together.

Enjoy the ride people!