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Give reasons! LOL. I know its a tuff decision, but Im going with Rod.

why hate PR? he came in down by 13 and had no choice but to force plays to try to win. 2 of those int's wouldn't be there if the freakin receiver had caught the ball the play before. some of you guys are blinded by stats. at least ramsey moved the ball. brunell couldn't.

i know i know, go ahead and whine for TH to play... maybe he'll give us another "stellar" 0.0 QB rating against dallas at home.

hailskins666 wrote:why hate PR? he came in down by 13 and had no choice but to force plays to try to win. 2 of those int's wouldn't be there if the freakin receiver had caught the ball the play before. some of you guys are blinded by stats. at least ramsey moved the ball. brunell couldn't.

Well said

hailskins666 wrote:i know i know, go ahead and whine for TH to play... maybe he'll give us another "stellar" 0.0 QB rating against dallas at home.

Don't give em any ideas

No...

I don't know who I want to play.

I mean come on Hailskins, the boy threw some dumb passes. Its the same dumb throws he was making last year, but now there are not excuses. He had protection, he bootlegged, he see's to defenders, its 2nd down, BUT HE DOESN'T THROW THE BALL AWAY... O no, he doesn't do that.

Patrick thinks that when he shuts his eyes the world dissapears and that if he opens them once the ball has MAGICALLY gone through the defender standing DIRECTLY infront of the reciever, that he'll open his eyes and hands of stone boy will catch it .

Im just tired of watching the same people make the same mistakes.

Plus I said, I voted for Gardner, haha.

It was a tough situation that Ramsey came into, but why can't he take an incompletion by throwing the ball out of bounds instead of hanging it up for grabs? Just once? Please?

With that said, I voted for Gardner. He plays a position called "receiver", and he cannot catch the ball. He drives me nuts. He'll have one or two unbelievable catches (the one where he came down out of bounds, and that diving catch), and then he'll drop the easiest pass of the day. Or the easiest two passes. Or three. Or whatever. He dropped a sure touchdown on the same possession as his diving catch, and that touchdown would have probably won the game.

I mean come on Hailskins, the boy threw some dumb passes. Its the same dumb throws he was making last year, but now there are not excuses. He had protection, he bootlegged, he see's to defenders, its 2nd down, BUT HE DOESN'T THROW THE BALL AWAY... O no, he doesn't do that.

throw the ball away? perhaps you mean like brunell did when he was going down.....straight to the gnats. that was a great throw away there.

Yea, throwing the ball away sucks. But you still have the ball. You can try again. The INT's wear down the defense (who were great today), it swings the momentum. I'd rather see Ramsey throw it out of bound anyday than throw a pick. He has potential but he just has to be a bit smarter with his throws. Thats all.

He has improved since last year, I admit that whole heartedly, but he still has stuff to work on. And I know I couldn't do his job as a QB so more power to him.

I think I hate P-Ram the most. He IS the reason y they couldnt complete the comeback today. How can you say Rod Gardner should take most of the blame. If I can recall correctly RG was the one with ONE HELL OF A CATCH to lead up to the pass to the 1. If the ball wasnt so over thrown Rod wouldnt of had to lay out like he did but would of been able to walk into the end zone. When Rod dropped the ball in the end zone I think he wasnt even throwing to him but that P-Ram was throwing into a lot of traffic. If you will look Coles was WIDEEEEE open in the back of the end zone and would of been a touchdown if P-Ram would learn some patiences and not be so antsy in the pocket. He breaks under pressure that is the bottom line. How can you throw 3 ints in a half of football. Just didnt make good decisions. Not saying everyone else didnt look horrible but im just saying P-Ram makes the O line look bad. 3 step drop and he holds the ball then takes 2 steps up in the pocket and wonders y he gets sacked all the time. ITS HIM NOT THE LINE. Coles dropped passes, Portis fumbled the ball twice but made blocks that ended up not meaning any thing, Thrash played good pass D , ey looked pretty good, and the DEFENSE LOOKED GREAT like last week even though good Ds get beat every once and a while (bowen beat deep). Even with 7 TOs the Redskins Offense was given all the chances in the world to win it but didnt get it done.

I know why you're mad but you've just taken the cake from me brother. ....

Get'em Hailskin! lol.

I respect your opinion but theres an unwritten rules amongst receivers all over the world. This rule is what my coaches told me, and we'd say to each other before our games.

"If the ball touches your hands, you are expected to catch it!"

Anyobdy who played any level of football please back me up. Rod dropped 5 passes I believe, he does not deserve to be playing.

As much as I harp on Ramsey, HailSkins made a good point, he was trying. Rod just sucks, plain and simple. Ramsey needs a lot of work, but in the effot column he gets an A+

Not saying everyone else didnt look horrible but im just saying P-Ram makes the O line look bad

real intellectual.... so ramsey made the line look bad while he was on the pine and brunnell was getting reamed? yea right. stroke of genius. there is plenty of blame to go around, without pinning it all on a guy who came in at the end of the third quarter facing a no-win situation, who did everything in his power to try to win it despite the situation.

"As much as I harp on Ramsey, HailSkins made a good point, he was trying. Rod just sucks, plain and simple. Ramsey needs a lot of work, but in the effot column he gets an A+"

Well you can give him a A+ in the effort but I give him a Big F...in L in the effort column. Last yr everyone wanted Ramseys neck last yr for some of the things he did and said the O line played horrible. It seems like the O line just looks so bad when P-Ram is under center. 50/50 did drop passes and played bad but I think Ramsey just played worse than even Rod. He cant make passes like he did under pressure. He stopped Hall from even getting an attempt on a FG a number of times.

The pressure Brunell was recieveing was from heavy blitzes by the giants and the play calling coming in from the redskins sideline. In the 2nd quarter when he recieved the most pressure they were not leaving backs in to help stop the blitz. The running game never really got going because of the TOs so it allowed the giants to really start to bring heat out of the secondary.

Hailskin666:
Im not putting the blame on just one person but since it was a post compairing who we hate most RG or P-Ram I say P-Ram. The blame has to go on the entire Offense. How can the D hold the giants to 1-13 on 3rd down conversions and still not win other than the Offense playing the worst Offense I have ever seen watching football. 7 TOs are just unacceptable. The entire 4th quarter the D gave the O chance after chance to get the win. Good to get a reality check early but I just wish it wasnt a div. game that it had to happen. Rather it be the giants than the cowpukes though.

2K1NSM2U wrote:The pressure Brunell was recieveing was from heavy blitzes by the giants and the play calling coming in from the redskins sideline. In the 2nd quarter when he recieved the most pressure they were not leaving backs in to help stop the blitz. The running game never really got going because of the TOs so it allowed the giants to really start to bring heat out of the secondary.

so again, how is that ramsey's fault that brunell was getting blitzed and the o line stunk it up? did you expect the line to just up their play when ramsey came in?

so again, how is that ramsey's fault that brunell was getting blitzed and the o line stunk it up? did you expect the line to just up their play when ramsey came in?

Or for Ramsey to be able to play behind a bad line?

NEVER!!!

No I didnt expect the line to play different but I did expect Ramsey to get rid of the damn ball sooner. You cant tell me that Ramsey doesnt hold the ball WAY too long. It isnt Ramseys fault when brunell was in but it sure as hell was when he was in. Ramsey will throw into double coverage any day rather than throw it away. He has got to make better reads. In the endzone he double clutched and threw into double coverage and INT. Threw it deep to the left to Coles double coverage and coles slipped INT. Throw deep to Coles to the right double coverage under thrown INT.

i never said ramsey played a good game, but to put the o-lines mishaps on his shoulders is just plain ignorant. and like i already said, if it weren't for the dropped passes, you could take away 2 of those int's, and everyone would be chanting ramesy for president.

Yea you could of definetly taken away one of the INTs because he never would of had a chance down near the end zone if Rod Gardner didnt make a hell of a catch on the over thrown ball from who else. If he didnt over throw him would of walked into the end zone for 6.

i never said ramsey played a good game, but to put the o-lines mishaps on his shoulders is just plain ignorant.

[sarcasm]Shooooot...he should be used to it. I thought he would have known what to do.[/sarcasm]

but rod's drops made no difference in the outcome?

Hell yea that made a diffence in the out come but i would take a drop in the end zone over an INT in the end zone any day.

if the drop hadn't occured, there wouldn't have been an int.

No one will win the arguement about if he would of caught it he wouldnt of thrown the int. If there wasnt a false start they wouldnt of had to throw. No one will be right. Its all what if.

2K1NSM2U wrote:No one will win the arguement about if he would of caught it he wouldnt of thrown the int. If there wasnt a false start they wouldnt of had to throw. No one will be right. Its all what if.

i agree. no use crying over the spilled milk. it was a crappy effort overall. but to try to put the blame on a guy who only played in one quarter, after the game was already over isn't right. gardner on the other hand played the entire game, and forgot to get off the bench mentally when the time to show up came.

Yea im done arguing but there is no way I place the blame on more for not winning the game than Ramsey. I dont blame him for losing the game but i blame him for not winning if you get what i mean by that.