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Patrick Ramsey is NOT our Future
Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 12:30 pm
by hatsOFF2gibbs
You guys keep on saying "PRam is our future." If he is our future, we are doomed. He has NO self-confidence, none at all. I don't think he has the ability to become a great NFL starting quarterback. He is okay for a backup, but starting: I don't think he will ever start on our team because of his QB skill. The only reason he may start is because of injuries to Brunell.
I know it is pretty harsh on the kid, but I really belive this is reality. That's it, I've said it. Prove me wrong in the future!
Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 12:32 pm
by skinsfaninroanoke
and your name says what? don't trust yer namesake anymore?
Re: Patrick Ramsey is NOT our Future
Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 12:34 pm
by oafusp
hatsOFF2gibbs wrote:You guys keep on saying "PRam is our future." If he is our future, we are doomed. He has NO self-confidence, none at all. I don't think he has the ability to become a great NFL starting quarterback. He is okay for a backup, but starting: I don't think he will ever start on our team because of his QB skill. The only reason he may start is because of injuries to Brunell.
I know it is pretty harsh on the kid, but I really belive this is reality. That's it, I've said it. Prove me wrong in the future!
Are you related to Chris Collinsworth?
Re: Patrick Ramsey is NOT our Future
Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 12:35 pm
by JansenFan
hatsOFF2gibbs wrote:You guys keep on saying "PRam is our future." If he is our future, we are doomed. He has NO self-confidence, none at all. I don't think he has the ability to become a great NFL starting quarterback. He is okay for a backup, but starting: I don't think he will ever start on our team because of his QB skill. The only reason he may start is because of injuries to Brunell.
I know it is pretty harsh on the kid, but I really belive this is reality. That's it, I've said it. Prove me wrong in the future!
Seems to me Ramsey will get his confidence back in time. He isn't going to start for at least a year maybe two, barring injury. During that time, Coach Breaux will work with him, and he will see the Dirtbags protection and he will learn from Brunell and by the time we look to him as the starter he will be ready to go.
Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 12:37 pm
by skinsfaninroanoke
amen brother JansenFan!
Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 12:52 pm
by daddywatson
hatsOFF2gibbs stated:
You guys keep on saying "PRam is our future." If he is our future, we are doomed. He has NO self-confidence, none at all. I don't think he has the ability to become a great NFL starting quarterback. He is okay for a backup, but starting: I don't think he will ever start on our team because of his QB skill. The only reason he may start is because of injuries to Brunell.
I know it is pretty harsh on the kid, but I really belive this is reality. That's it, I've said it. Prove me wrong in the future!
I don't get too upset about too much that is talked about on the boards because it is all talk for debate. But your lack of faith in the kid, lack of trust in THE head coach and the team in general, really perturbs me!! I, as well as most of us here, would have to agree that Ramsey has not had the kind of preseason that anybody(especially P-Ram)would have hoped for. But to completely abandon what IS our future, shows me you do not believe Gibbs has an eye for QB's. Well believe it... Gibbs knows QB's!!!!
Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 12:59 pm
by oafusp
This is old news, HatsOff is always down on the Skins. Pessimist? Read some old posts...maybe one day HatsOff will "believe"...
http://www.the-hogs.net/forum/viewtopic. ... ght=#53071
http://www.the-hogs.net/forum/viewtopic. ... ght=#52518
Enter....RedeemedSkin, take it from here.
Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 1:06 pm
by SKINZFAN
and if he is not the REDSKINS future ...which i still think he will be,but if not we can all thank STEVE "i don't care if my Q.B. gets killed" SPURRIER !!!
Re: Patrick Ramsey is NOT our Future
Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 1:11 pm
by Deadskins
hatsOFF2gibbs wrote:I don't think he will ever start on our team because of his QB skill.
I got news for you Hatsoff, he has already started 16 games for us.
Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 2:12 pm
by NikiH
Wow I am also very disappointed to read this from a Redskins fan. Last year this kid took a beating to try to win games for us. Now you are saying he has no talent. I have never heard anyone with knowledge of the game or QB's in general say he has no potential. Everyone seems to agree that he is gun shy. And if you were sacked that many times you may need a little recovery time as well. Give him a chance would ya?? He IS our future. And when that kid is wearing a SuperBowl ring on his finger from our franchise you will feel a bit silly doubting him!
Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 2:42 pm
by oafusp
NikiH wrote:Wow I am also very disappointed to read this from a Redskins fan. Last year this kid took a beating to try to win games for us. Now you are saying he has no talent. I have never heard anyone with knowledge of the game or QB's in general say he has no potential. Everyone seems to agree that he is gun shy. And if you were sacked that many times you may need a little recovery time as well. Give him a chance would ya?? He IS our future. And when that kid is wearing a SuperBowl ring on his finger from our franchise you will feel a bit silly doubting him!
HatsOff doubting?????? Never!!!
hahahaa
Re: Patrick Ramsey is NOT our Future
Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 2:43 pm
by hailskins666
oafusp wrote:hatsOFF2gibbs wrote:You guys keep on saying "PRam is our future." If he is our future, we are doomed. He has NO self-confidence, none at all. I don't think he has the ability to become a great NFL starting quarterback. He is okay for a backup, but starting: I don't think he will ever start on our team because of his QB skill. The only reason he may start is because of injuries to Brunell.
I know it is pretty harsh on the kid, but I really belive this is reality. That's it, I've said it. Prove me wrong in the future!
Are you related to Chris Collinsworth?
ROTFALMAO
thats harsh. thats so harsh it may even belong in the smack forum.
j/k
hatsoff, you base this theory on what..... preseason?
Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 3:51 pm
by trey53
Yes...calling someone Collinsworth...that's below the belt.
Hatsoff, give em time. He just needs to get his accuracy/confidence back. When Ramsey is on he is ON. (had a nice pass to jacobs who then gave it up) He just got a bit beat up last year. Gibbs saw it early and knew he'd need time, which is why he brought in Brunell (a move I disagreed with at first). Which is why I take my hat off to Gibbs...pardon me, couldn't resist. (We need a kneeslapping emoticon...)
Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 4:25 pm
by GoSkins
Yes, Ramsey's confidence is low. Why? We all know that answer...Steve Spurrier's not ready for prime time offense. If you watched Ramsey on Friday night, you saw him make the tough throws but miss the easy ones. That is correctable. The kid is very smart, has a cannon for an arm and will have a real shot at making a name for himself. This year? Probably not. Look how long it took for Theismann and others to get their day in the sun. Patience is required here. Gibbs knows that, that's why he brought in Brunell.
Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 4:49 pm
by THE RAM
hatsOFF2gibbs, with all tour respect it seems you don´t know football at all, we´ll see in two years who´s our QB, our leader and our FUTURE= PATRICK RAMSEY (THE RAM)
Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 5:01 pm
by hatsOFF2gibbs
Alright you guys found out my philosophy, don't be over-excited that we have the best coaching staff BECAUSE we do not have the best players. Are you telling me that Patrick Ramsey has a chance to become like Peyton Manning, McNabb, Favre and other great quarterbacks? I am in no way blaming anyting at all on the coaches. Do I believe in them? Of course I do! BUT I just cannot believe how Patrick can be one of the elite quarterbacks in the league. And for a team to succeed, you HAVE TO HAVE A GREAT QUARTERBACK. We need a LEADER on the team, and right now it is not Patrick Ramsey.
Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 5:09 pm
by oafusp
hatsOFF2gibbs wrote:Alright you guys found out my philosophy, don't be over-excited that we have the best coaching staff BECAUSE we do not have the best players. Are you telling me that Patrick Ramsey has a chance to become like Peyton Manning, McNabb, Favre and other great quarterbacks? I am in no way blaming anyting at all on the coaches. Do I believe in them? Of course I do! BUT I just cannot believe how Patrick can be one of the elite quarterbacks in the league. And for a team to succeed, you HAVE TO HAVE A GREAT QUARTERBACK. We need a LEADER on the team, and right now it is not Patrick Ramsey.
You're right, it is not Patrick Ramsey at the moment...it is a guy named Mark Brunell. Ramsey has only played 16 games and football gurus all over the country agree that he is talented and will be a star. Why rush him? Brett Favre was TRADED cause the Falcons didn't think he'd fit...now look.
CHAD PENNINGTON rode the bench for 2-3 years behind Vinny..and became one of the highest rated QB's in 2002 and should have a huge year this season.
I hope that Sean Talyor tackles you to the ground, then rips off your mask and reveals.......................................................................
Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 5:12 pm
by hailskins666
yet another
and oafusp, i may have to edit your post..... there are children on here, do you want to scar them for life?
vulgarities and profanity such as this are not allowed:
Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 5:13 pm
by GoSkins
hatsOFF2gibbs wrote:Alright you guys found out my philosophy, don't be over-excited that we have the best coaching staff BECAUSE we do not have the best players. Are you telling me that Patrick Ramsey has a chance to become like Peyton Manning, McNabb, Favre and other great quarterbacks? I am in no way blaming anyting at all on the coaches. Do I believe in them? Of course I do! BUT I just cannot believe how Patrick can be one of the elite quarterbacks in the league. And for a team to succeed, you HAVE TO HAVE A GREAT QUARTERBACK. We need a LEADER on the team, and right now it is not Patrick Ramsey.
Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 5:17 pm
by GoSkins
GoSkins wrote:hatsOFF2gibbs wrote:Alright you guys found out my philosophy, don't be over-excited that we have the best coaching staff BECAUSE we do not have the best players. Are you telling me that Patrick Ramsey has a chance to become like Peyton Manning, McNabb, Favre and other great quarterbacks? I am in no way blaming anyting at all on the coaches. Do I believe in them? Of course I do! BUT I just cannot believe how Patrick can be one of the elite quarterbacks in the league. And for a team to succeed, you HAVE TO HAVE A GREAT QUARTERBACK. We need a LEADER on the team, and right now it is not Patrick Ramsey.
Woops! You must have been born after 1992. Joe Gibss wins with good QBs not great QBs. Great coaches win beacuse they are great coaches; not because they have all pro players. At this level the players are all very good. A great coach (i.e. Joe Gibbs) just knows has to get them to win.
Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 5:20 pm
by oafusp
hailskins666 wrote:yet another
and oafusp, i may have to edit your post..... there are children on here, do you want to scar them for life?
vulgarities and profanity such as this are not allowed:
Oh yeah? Well, take that 666:
want some more? Go ahead, I got a hole bag of that!
Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 5:28 pm
by hailskins666
now you've done it, my nephew just ran to the bedroom crying. SEE WHAT YOU DID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
the poor kid will never be able to look at a facelift the same ever again.
STOP CURSING ON THE MAIN BOARDS!!!
Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 6:08 pm
by verm04
Anyone who thinks it is a necessary to have a GREAT quarterback to succeed in the NFL has no clue what he is talking aabout. I understand if he wants to in some way keep his expectations low, that way any success will be taken with greater happiness.
p.s Why is it pesscimist always want you to proove them wrong?
Re: Patrick Ramsey is NOT our Future
Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 6:08 pm
by skin_to_the_bone
oafusp wrote:hatsOFF2gibbs wrote:You guys keep on saying "PRam is our future." If he is our future, we are doomed. He has NO self-confidence, none at all. I don't think he has the ability to become a great NFL starting quarterback. He is okay for a backup, but starting: I don't think he will ever start on our team because of his QB skill. The only reason he may start is because of injuries to Brunell.
I know it is pretty harsh on the kid, but I really belive this is reality. That's it, I've said it. Prove me wrong in the future!
Are you related to Chris Collinsworth?
must be a realative of some sort
Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 6:39 pm
by Montana Redskin
Everyone's slamming hatsof2gibbs, and I'm not agreeing with everything he says, but this team needs Brunell to succeed imo. Patrick, even when "good" is only completing barely over 50%? That's always been my issue with him, he's tough, smart, etc...but he has to get that completion % in the high 50's minimum. Even in good games, he seems to miss a ton of open receivers with no pressure? Fumbles alot too? Sure, they all do when they're young, but I really focus on that comp %. It's not that great at all and that equals a lot of chains not moving downfield. After awhile we all know the team feels it, the line feels it, and a sense of pessism begins to spread. Brunells at 60% for his career.
Bottom line, PRam has to start getting rid of ball sooner and making the throws.
and I am taking into account the beatings he took.