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Redskins.com: Arrington Sits Out Monday Practice

Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2004 11:14 pm
by Jake
Arrington Sits Out Monday Practice
By Gary Fitzgerald
Redskins.com
August 23, 2004

Linebacker LaVar Arrington sat out Monday afternoon's practice to rest a sprained knee. Team officials said his status is day-to-day and his availability for Friday night's game at St. Louis will be evaluated later this week.
Mike Barrow participated in some running drills on Monday--it was the most running he had done in a while--but he sat out most of the practice. Barrow has tendonitis in his knee and has yet to appear in a preseason game.

"We'd love to have them back out there--they're important guys," Gibbs said. "But we'll just have to see how it goes. As long as their injuries keep on getting better, I think we'll be okay."

Gibbs said he was concerned that Arrington and Barrow, having missed multiple practices, would fall behind on their conditioning. But both have been able to participate in non-contact walk-through practices so that they're not falling behind on the mental side of the game.

Arrington watched Monday's practice from the sidelines. Afterwards, he declined to comment on his status, saying: "I don't have anything to say until I play on the field."

Defensive linemen Phillip Daniels and Cornelius Griffin also sat out Monday's practice.

Daniels has been nursing an abdominal injury, but he is expected to pick up his activities this week. He has yet to play in a preseason game.

Griffin sat out practice to rest a hip flexor injury.


http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=3122

Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2004 11:25 pm
by Chris Luva Luva
Gibbs must be training them hard.

I think he's tying these guys to posts with chains and having the zebras and people dressed up as Cowboys beat them with bats. Kinda like what they do to dogs to make them aggressive. :twisted:

Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2004 8:07 am
by gambit187
Chris Luva Luva wrote:Gibbs must be training them hard.

I think he's tying these guys to posts with chains and having the zebras and people dressed up as Cowboys beat them with bats. Kinda like what they do to dogs to make them aggressive. :twisted:


Training Hard, dont know about that, how about poor conditioning.

Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2004 9:52 am
by Jake
gambit187 wrote:
Chris Luva Luva wrote:Gibbs must be training them hard.

I think he's tying these guys to posts with chains and having the zebras and people dressed up as Cowboys beat them with bats. Kinda like what they do to dogs to make them aggressive. :twisted:


Training Hard, dont know about that, how about poor conditioning.


You've been here since before January so you SHOULD know how hard they've been training this offseason. They've worked harder on their conditioning than they ever did with Spurrier.

And yes, CLL is right. Gibbs is training them harder than they have ever been trained. Spurrier never made the team practice in 100% full pads throughout all of training camp.

Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2004 10:11 am
by gambit187
Jake wrote:
gambit187 wrote:
Chris Luva Luva wrote:Gibbs must be training them hard.

I think he's tying these guys to posts with chains and having the zebras and people dressed up as Cowboys beat them with bats. Kinda like what they do to dogs to make them aggressive. :twisted:


Training Hard, dont know about that, how about poor conditioning.


You've been here since before January so you SHOULD know how hard they've been training this offseason. They've worked harder on their conditioning than they ever did with Spurrier.

And yes, CLL is right. Gibbs is training them harder than they have ever been trained. Spurrier never made the team practice in 100% full pads throughout all of training camp.


Then its conditioning young man, stretching and flexibility. Also not enough of the proper exercise to strengthen key areas. I know they been training hard, but has Coach Gibbs been enforcing it. In my opinion he is too much of a players coach to stay in their crap and make sure the work out the right way.

Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2004 10:22 am
by Deadskins
gambit187 wrote:
Jake wrote:
gambit187 wrote:
Chris Luva Luva wrote:Gibbs must be training them hard.

I think he's tying these guys to posts with chains and having the zebras and people dressed up as Cowboys beat them with bats. Kinda like what they do to dogs to make them aggressive. :twisted:


Training Hard, dont know about that, how about poor conditioning.


You've been here since before January so you SHOULD know how hard they've been training this offseason. They've worked harder on their conditioning than they ever did with Spurrier.

And yes, CLL is right. Gibbs is training them harder than they have ever been trained. Spurrier never made the team practice in 100% full pads throughout all of training camp.


Then its conditioning young man, stretching and flexibility. Also not enough of the proper exercise to strengthen key areas. I know they been training hard, but has Coach Gibbs been enforcing it. In my opinion he is too much of a players coach to stay in their crap and make sure the work out the right way.

Then you obviously don't know squat about Joe Jackson Gibbs.

Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2004 10:24 am
by JansenFan
gambit187 wrote:
Jake wrote:
gambit187 wrote:
Chris Luva Luva wrote:Gibbs must be training them hard.

I think he's tying these guys to posts with chains and having the zebras and people dressed up as Cowboys beat them with bats. Kinda like what they do to dogs to make them aggressive. :twisted:


Training Hard, dont know about that, how about poor conditioning.


You've been here since before January so you SHOULD know how hard they've been training this offseason. They've worked harder on their conditioning than they ever did with Spurrier.

And yes, CLL is right. Gibbs is training them harder than they have ever been trained. Spurrier never made the team practice in 100% full pads throughout all of training camp.


Then its conditioning young man, stretching and flexibility. Also not enough of the proper exercise to strengthen key areas. I know they been training hard, but has Coach Gibbs been enforcing it. In my opinion he is too much of a players coach to stay in their crap and make sure the work out the right way.

You can believe that if it makes you sleep better at night. Players like him and respect him, but he will put a boot up your butt when it's appropriate.

Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2004 10:38 am
by trey53
The only serious injury is Jansen. All the rest are just normal aches and pains of a real NFL training camp.

Gibbs not coaching players properly...that's a good one Gambit...tell us another one!

Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2004 11:21 am
by gambit187
Yeah just like players falling asleep in class, ok tell me anything, but i have heard 3 seperate incidents of practice stopping early.

You tell me. Whats going on. Remember I am here deep in DC land. I live and breath Redskin news , just like i live and breath cowboy news.

Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2004 11:24 am
by JansenFan
gambit187 wrote:Yeah just like players falling asleep in class, ok tell me anything, but i have heard 3 seperate incidents of practice stopping early.

You tell me. Whats going on. Remember I am here deep in DC land. I live and breath Redskin news , just like i live and breath cowboy news.

What's your point? Parcells must be a players coach and too soft then, since he let a player throw his jersey in his face with little or no repercussions.

Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2004 12:11 pm
by gambit187
JansenFan wrote:
gambit187 wrote:Yeah just like players falling asleep in class, ok tell me anything, but i have heard 3 seperate incidents of practice stopping early.

You tell me. Whats going on. Remember I am here deep in DC land. I live and breath Redskin news , just like i live and breath cowboy news.

What's your point? Parcells must be a players coach and too soft then, since he let a player throw his jersey in his face with little or no repercussions.


My point is that i am starting to think that Gibbs is too soft for the modern day player. My point is that most injuries occur do to poor stretching and conditioning.

THATS MY POINT

Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2004 12:20 pm
by JansenFan
Unless you have been at every practice and every meeting, you have no idea how Joe Gibbs is with his players. Injuries CAN occur because of poor stretching and injuries, but some people are just injury prone (see Cliff Russell, Ladell Betts) and some injuries are caused by 300 pound men beating each other up. You can not honestly think that every injury that EVERY TEAM has had is due to poor conditioning or lack of coaching. That's just a ridiculous statement made to rile up Redskins fans. How about I try it....

Parcells is a push over. He let a receiver throw a jersey in his face. He helped someone get out of jail. Instead of standing up to Jerry Jones and just cutting Quincy Carter because he sucks, he instead contrived a reason that violated CBA rules to get rid of him. What a yellow-bellied, no-backbone-havin' peice of cow turd.

Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2004 12:31 pm
by gambit187
JansenFan wrote:Unless you have been at every practice and every meeting, you have no idea how Joe Gibbs is with his players. Injuries CAN occur because of poor stretching and injuries, but some people are just injury prone (see Cliff Russell, Ladell Betts) and some injuries are caused by 300 pound men beating each other up. You can not honestly think that every injury that EVERY TEAM has had is due to poor conditioning or lack of coaching. That's just a ridiculous statement made to rile up Redskins fans. How about I try it....

Parcells is a push over. He let a receiver throw a jersey in his face. He helped someone get out of jail. Instead of standing up to Jerry Jones and just cutting Quincy Carter because he sucks, he instead contrived a reason that violated CBA rules to get rid of him. What a yellow-bellied, no-backbone-havin' peice of cow turd.


Doesnt affect me because right now you just talking about stuff you have no idea about. On the other hand I am talking about facts . Can i say it again FACTS.....MEDICAL SCIENCE.

Tell me does Gibbs REQUIRE his offensive and defensive lineman to wear knee braces for practice. I dont think so.

Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2004 12:36 pm
by Deadskins
gambit187 wrote:Tell me does Gibbs REQUIRE his offensive and defensive lineman to wear knee braces for practice. I dont think so.

And Parcells does? Sounds to me like Parcells doesn't think his players are well conditioned enough to escape injury in practices then.

Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2004 12:39 pm
by JansenFan
Those are FACTS, and I acknoledged that. Injuries CAN be caused by that. That doesn't mean all injuries ARE caused by stretching. It also does not make a coach soft if someone on his team gets injured during a full contact sport. My tirade was over the top to make a point. I can draw whatever conclusions I want for certain events. I could also make the argument that Gibbs is tough on his players and they are fatigued and that's why they get injured. I could make a whole rash of arguments. As far as knee braces, who gives a rat's butt. Completely irrelevent. Players can be hurt whether they are in super physical condition or out of shape. They can get hurt with or without a knee brace. It's the nature of the game and any assertion otherwise is simply a sad and pathetic attempt to make something out of nothing.

Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2004 1:10 pm
by Redskins1974
gambit187 wrote:
JansenFan wrote:
gambit187 wrote:Yeah just like players falling asleep in class, ok tell me anything, but i have heard 3 seperate incidents of practice stopping early.

You tell me. Whats going on. Remember I am here deep in DC land. I live and breath Redskin news , just like i live and breath cowboy news.

What's your point? Parcells must be a players coach and too soft then, since he let a player throw his jersey in his face with little or no repercussions.


My point is that i am starting to think that Gibbs is too soft for the modern day player. My point is that most injuries occur do to poor stretching and conditioning.

THATS MY POINT


Too soft for the modern day player? :roll:
Steve Spurrier was too soft. Gibbs runs a very tight, disciplined ship which involves extensive off season and training camp conditioning. To call him soft on the players is amusing. In Gibbs' first tenure, I lived near Bobby Bethard and my mom (and coincidentally my in-laws) still knows him very well. To hear from his mouth how Gibbs gets his teams ready is amazing. Where are your facts? I've been a critic of Lavar's all off season but the guy sprained his knee. I used to train with olympic wrestlers in high school and college and was in ridiculous shape and I severely sprained my knee (along with injuring a million other things). I can sure as hell tell you that the training I was going through wasn't soft, nor do I think this injury has anything to do with Gibbs being soft. Ha! That made me laugh.

Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2004 1:21 pm
by cvillehog
Gambit,
Don't be hatin'! ;)

Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 9:47 am
by trey53
This is from an article in Sports Illustrated:

Joe Gibbs
Maybe what Rison needed was a coach like Washington Redskins head coach Joe Gibbs. He's been working his new team into the ground. During two-a-day sessions, the players usually practiced at 9 a.m. and 4:30 p.m., so their typical day began at 6 a.m. and usually ended with meetings that started at 10:15 p.m. "We haven't taken the pads off yet," said wide receiver Laveranues Coles on Aug. 16. "We started camp on July 25 and we haven't missed a day. I'll watch guys on television and they're practicing in helmets and shorts. We'll be in pads even on the day before the game [a practice usually reserved for a light walk-through session]. This makes the season real long."

When asked if the Redskins needed such a tough camp, Coles said, "I'd think most guys don't think they need this. But it is what it is. If it goes well and everything works out, then we needed this. But if it doesn't, we'll all be wondering what all this work was supposed to accomplish."



Yep, Gibbs sounds SOFT to me. Ofcourse, SI probably doesn't have their FACTS right since they didn't consult DC's self proclaimed #1 cowboy fan.

Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 12:01 pm
by curveball
"Injuries" must be defined to put the proper perspective on it.

No amount of conditioning/stretching/protective gear can prevent certain types. Broken bones and concussions fall into this category.

With ligament damage, specifically knee and shoulder, the risk can be minimized with proper conditioning, appropriate field conditions/footing and braces, but torn ACLs will always be a part of sports.

Muscle injuries can always be lessened through proper conditioning/stretching. Core body work is usually the most successful method. Proper protective gear also prevents many of the deep tissue injuries.

One off-season isn't enough to properly implement the corrections that some athletes need.


Using a baseball example of proper technique, look at the fantastic job that the Braves have done with their pitching staff. Leo Mazzone has just the right amount of stretching, throwing and lifting worked in and the results show. His teams have always maitained healthy starters compared to the rest of the league.

Using a football example, Parcells' 2nd year in Dallas has shown what two off-seasons can do for the health of a team. One player who started camp has missed a day's practice because of injury (Dan Campbell).

The injuries that Washington is experiencing seem to fall into every category and should concern Redskins' fans, but I would wait until year two of Gibbs before I would label it a "systemic problem".

Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 9:54 pm
by 1niksder
gambit187 wrote:Then its conditioning young man, stretching and flexibility. Also not enough of the proper exercise to strengthen key areas. I know they been training hard, but has Coach Gibbs been enforcing it. In my opinion he is too much of a players coach to stay in their crap and make sure the work out the right way.


Then why is everyone so critical of Lovie Smith pushing the Bears so hard AND all the injuries.... it's Football injuries will happen weather conditioning/or lack of... streching/or lack of

There have been so many non contact injuries this pre-season it hard to say it's one thing or another

Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 10:17 pm
by BringThePain!
Silly Gumbit :D .... Playing your little games... I'll play... I'll be your Huckleberry.. ;)

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Looks like there getting enough stretching to me.... But your right... Gibbs is too soft for today's NFL Player, You can tell that they're not listening to him at all :roll:... we're going down this year..

PS - You gonna be there to represnt your Boys on Sept 27th? I mean DC self proclaimed number one Cowboys fan should be there to laugh in all our faces :D.... Come On!... You can come tailgate with me... I'm gonna BBQ a special crow for you buddy... ;)