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Punts: The Giants are now considering the possibility of a new facility rather than sinking $300 million into the renovation of Giants Stadium. … While the Seattle Seahawks will pursue a new deal with quarterback Matt Hasselbeck, there are some team officials wary of an extension for tailback Shaun Alexander, who is also entering the final year of his contract. His solid numbers aside, some in Seattle feel that Alexander ranks at only about the middle of the pack among NFL tailbacks. … The Redskins remain a bit concerned about the toe injury that plagued wide receiver Laveranues Coles through much of the second half of the '03 season and which limited him in mini-camps during the spring. Coles did not have surgery, is counting upon rest and orthopedic devices in his shoes to help the problem, and will take it easy early in camp. … Buffalo has switched third-year pro Coy Wire from strong safety to free safety in an effort to possible generate more takeaways. … Add the Philadelphia Eagles to the list of franchises that want all their rookies, even low-round picks, to sign five-year contracts.

gambit187 wrote:http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=1836837




Punts: The Giants are now considering the possibility of a new facility rather than sinking $300 million into the renovation of Giants Stadium. … While the Seattle Seahawks will pursue a new deal with quarterback Matt Hasselbeck, there are some team officials wary of an extension for tailback Shaun Alexander, who is also entering the final year of his contract. His solid numbers aside, some in Seattle feel that Alexander ranks at only about the middle of the pack among NFL tailbacks. … The Redskins remain a bit concerned about the toe injury that plagued wide receiver Laveranues Coles through much of the second half of the '03 season and which limited him in mini-camps during the spring. Coles did not have surgery, is counting upon rest and orthopedic devices in his shoes to help the problem, and will take it easy early in camp. … Buffalo has switched third-year pro Coy Wire from strong safety to free safety in an effort to possible generate more takeaways. … Add the Philadelphia Eagles to the list of franchises that want all their rookies, even low-round picks, to sign five-year contracts.

It's like déja vu... all over again.

You can put the club down, now gambit. I'm pretty sure that horse is dead, considering all the 'pukes circling around it.

Whats wrong with just getting the surgery? Its not like he doesn't have the money. I will be real pissed off if that toe disturbs Coles' play on the field when he had a chance to fix the problem. Getting surgey isnt that big of a deal....?

I think that much of the concern with surgery is that it won't get fixed properly. . .or at least enough to have him blazing just as fast as ever. Before, it looked like he was going to recover, and throwing in the extra variable of surgery (and the possibility of it damaging him) probably put it over the edge for the trainers.

Given the chance to look back now, perhaps they'd make a different call. Wow, I have no source / basis for this. Typical FFA guestimating, I suppose. . .

hatsOFF2gibbs wrote:Whats wrong with just getting the surgery? Its not like he doesn't have the money. I will be real pissed off if that toe disturbs Coles' play on the field when he had a chance to fix the problem. Getting surgey isnt that big of a deal....?

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Gambit... this is what you get for scooping me on the Boys article!

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Jake wrote:Gambit... this is what you get for scooping me on the Boys article!

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War means War... and 3 replys before he got it posted

good job scoop

I HATE to agree with an issue that Gambit raises, but I gotta agree--at the end of this season, we may ALL be standing around asking "Why was it again that Coles didn't get that toe fixed in the off-season?"

I felt comfortable in January when all the reports wre coming out about how it was going to get rested, and that he'd be ready for mini-camps.

Mini-camps have come and gone, and the toe is obviously still bothering him. Now it sounds like "he'll take it easy" early in training camp.

That stinks.

We have a really good WR corps, but we really don't have anyone one the roster to step up into the #1 spot. If the toe continues to be an issue into the season, we'll feel the effects of it.

hatsOFF2gibbs wrote:Whats wrong with just getting the surgery? Its not like he doesn't have the money. I will be real pissed off if that toe disturbs Coles' play on the field when he had a chance to fix the problem. Getting surgey isnt that big of a deal....?

At this point it's probably too late for surgery. It seems like anytime a player gets his feet worked on to help something heal it doesn't work out the way it was supposed to. I'm not basing that on any sort of fact, but the perception I have from catching snippets of football news the past couple of years.

General Failure wrote:At this point it's probably too late for surgery. It seems like anytime a player gets his feet worked on to help something heal it doesn't work out the way it was supposed to. I'm not basing that on any sort of fact, but the perception I have from catching snippets of football news the past couple of years.

We can keep an eye on Shockley and see if the surgery is benifical to him or not...But it does seem that every time a player has surgery on their foot they continue to have foot problems

I think this toe thing is bs. It didn't effect Coles last season so how can it affect him this season?

Well by that logic I don't see how he could miss a single snap all season.

General Failure wrote:Well by that logic I don't see how he could miss a single snap all season.

What? Actually, he missed very few snaps.

He played in ALL 16 games... never went on the IR... and he caught 18 balls for 181 yards and 2 TDs in the LAST two games.

His production dropped off slightly in the second half of the season... but you could just as easily put that on Hasselbeck being the QB, or on the fact that in Spurrier's offense, Coles was really the only guy to 'worry' about, and by then, everyone knew it.

Maybe I misunderstood what it was you were saying GF... but I'd put Coles' toughness factor up against any other receiver in the league. That might not guarantee that the toe is never a problem in 2004, but it does mandate that you will probably have to cut that foot off to keep him off the field.

I'll compare it to an injury situation I'm a little more familliar with so you can see where I'm coming from.

Last season Brandon Whiting injured his shoulder during the season. With the number of season ending injuries along the defensive line he decided to play through it. This year he was sent to San Fran in the Owens trade. He may be coming back, since he still hasn't passed a physical because of his shoulder.

Now back to Coles. Just because he played through it last year doesn't mean it's magically better now or will be by the time the season starts. The fact that he's still resting could mean that it's actually getting worse.

Now sure, there's plenty they can do about it.
A cortisone shot and he won't feel a thing. That's not going to help it heal, and as he continues to push off with that sprained toe it could tear even more. You can put all the supportive plates, braces, slings, and gel packs you want in his shoe, but when he needs to run he's going to need that toe.

Here's another angle to look at. Let's say the cortisone shot does the trick and he's alright for game day. Is he going to get a shot every day for practice? He's in a new system with a new QB, he needs all the practice time he can get. He's not going to get all the time he can, though. According to the article Gambit provided he's going to take it easy early in camp. A couple days of light work isn't going to help here. An injury that should have been corrected months ago is still bothing him now, and all he's going to do about it is miss time in camp.

Coles better be fine once the season starts! I cant imagine how much of a beast will be if he is at 100%!!