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The magic will return
It won't be right away, but Gibbs will be a success again in Washington

Joe Gibbs is a football genius but don't expect a winning Redskins team this year.



So we're a week into this brave new venture. Is it just me, or is this thing losing that new-blog smell? ...

Have you enjoyed the brief respite from the hosannas emanating from the Beltway about the return of Joe Gibbs to the Redskins' sideline? When camps open in a few weeks -- which for most of you means a reason to go on living -- we'll likely suffer through another Gibbs-is-back news cycle. So The Blog's cutting to the head of the line with Three Questions For Itself:

Can Gibbs coach in today's NFL?

Of course he can. The man's a football genius, and having won multiple points titles as a NASCAR owner, he hasn't exactly been sitting around watching the petunias grow while he was away.

Will he command the respect of today's player?

Redskins owner Daniel Snyder prays toward Gibbs' office six times a day. Think Fred Smoot's going to raise any hell?

Will he win this year?

Good freaking luck. Every team in the NFC East will be better than a year ago. Clinton Portis or no, Washington has to hope Mark Brunell still has life in those creaky, soon-to-be 35-year-old legs, because the O-line hasn't improved much from last year's unit that almost got QB Patrick Ramsey killed. And a Champ Bailey-less secondary? Yikes. ...

O-line hasn't improved much from last year's unit that almost got QB Patrick Ramsey killed. And a Champ Bailey-less secondary? Yikes. ...

UHGHGJAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH!!! FDGDKG:FDGKFD!$#@@$%D!!!!!

Enough about the O-line crap!
I seriously need to get into this job field, cause the "football gurus" that get paid to write this crap are idiots.

This is the same line that this dipshyt probably praised in 2002's pre-season....did everyone forget that the last 2 years the Redskins were running a college offense....where all receivers, tight ends, and running backs went out for a pass...leaving 7 defenders against 5 offensive linemen.

I guess in this guys world the "O-line doesn't improve" unless they are all cut and a whole new line is brought in.
I guess bringing in a pro offense and a dozen respected proven coaches (one a Hall of Famer) does not mean much...

I cannot wait for Buges and the Line to silence these planned parenthood poster people.

The way I look at it our O-Line has improved:
1. Derrick Dockery stepped up and got his rookie season under his belt w/out many mistakes
2. Brought back Cory Raymer who is one of the nastiest centers in the NFL
3. Coach Joe Bugel will teach the smallest details and toughen them up
4. Joe Gibbs runs a pro offense that emphasizes the run rather than the pass, pass, pass, punt.
5. Clinton Portis will find the tough holes, and always gets open for a check down pass.
6. Walter Rasby is back...veterent blocker instead of Zeron Flemister (who was cut, then brought back to finish last season)
7. Chemistry, Samuels/Dockery & Thomas/Jansen have worked together for 1 full year...
8. Brunell can read defenses very fast since he has seen it all...won't hesitate as Ramsey did at times last season.
9. Ramsey is entering his third year and will lose his hesitation and learn to get rid of the ball quicker on pass plays.

i agree oafusp

It's no wonder this the Blog. Who is this clown? Will he win this year? Good freaking luck is the answer? Man I thought you have to have some sort of sports knowledge to be a published sprots writer. Obvously I was wrong. If this guy was writing about the Chargers then the article would fit, but come on. How does John Clayton pick the Skins to make the playoffs and this guy is saying that even with Portis the Skins won't win? Totaly useless column. I am so glad I cancelled SI last year.

And a Champ Bailey-less secondary? Yikes. ...

Does this mean if you don't have Champ Bailey in your secondary you are in trouble? Then 31 teams suck cause they have a "Champ Bailey-less secondary"

What this idiot failed to factor is that this IS a Greg Williams secondary w/ Shawn Springs, Fred Smoot, and Sean Taylor....even Iffy and Bowen are respectable.

too funny...can't wait till camp.

At least he ended his wasted of internet space with:

And now, I beat a hasty retreat to the prison of my own mind. ...

Opinions are like a** h**s. Everyone has one and they all stink.

Man, I hate when people refer to Brunell's age. Vinny Testaverde is 40 and nobody seems to dog him as much. What about Kurt Warner? he's one year younger than Brunell. In my opinion, Brunell is better than both of them, which puts us in the best place to battle with the Eagles for our division. If it ends up Ramsey, Manning, Carter-- we still would have the better quarterback.

He is being paid to write - not write well ...

I can't wait to see that counter tre with Jansen lead blocking for Portis! 25 yard pickup!!

4. Joe Gibbs runs a pro offense that emphasizes the run rather than the pass, pass, pass, punt.

< Thats is the best description in ther world.

oafusp Thats for the rest of your post. I agree.

Natural born Redskin wrote:Man, I hate when people refer to Brunell's age. Vinny Testaverde is 40 and nobody seems to dog him as much. What about Kurt Warner? he's one year younger than Brunell. In my opinion, Brunell is better than both of them, which puts us in the best place to battle with the Eagles for our division. If it ends up Ramsey, Manning, Carter-- we still would have the better quarterback.

Good Point! I don't know, but it seems as though the all the national media would like to see the Skins fall flat on their face. I'm thinking it's because of Snyder. Odd Stienbrenner does not command such spite.

All I hear is that Vinny experiece w/Pussells will make the Pukes a much better team. What horses*@#t!!

REDSKINMARK wrote:

Natural born Redskin wrote:Man, I hate when people refer to Brunell's age. Vinny Testaverde is 40 and nobody seems to dog him as much. What about Kurt Warner? he's one year younger than Brunell. In my opinion, Brunell is better than both of them, which puts us in the best place to battle with the Eagles for our division. If it ends up Ramsey, Manning, Carter-- we still would have the better quarterback.

Good Point! I don't know, but it seems as though the all the national media would like to see the Skins fall flat on their face. I'm thinking it's because of Snyder. Odd Stienbrenner does not command such spite.

All I hear is that Vinny experiece w/Pussells will make the Pukes a much better team. What horses*@#t!!

This is because Vinny is a proven leader and mentor, unlike Brunell who was totally cold and calous towards Leftwich last year after losing his starting position. Also reports are that Vinny is in top physical shape with a strong arm. Either way you guys paid to much and gave up to much for ole man Brunell

Also reports are that Vinny is in top physical shape with a strong arm. Either way you guys paid to much and gave up to much for ole man Brunell

Where are the reports that Brunell isn't in top physical condition? Vinny isn't the man he used to be either, but both are still above average QB's.

Though Im sick of giving up our picks every year I believe that he was a good pick up. We have more quality depth at QB then you guys do.

When Lavar goes TROY AIKMAN on poor Quincy you'll wish you had our depth!

This article has Brunell's age wrong. He's 33 going on 34, not 34 going on 35. He was born 9-17-1970. Not only does this writers opinion suck, he also can't add.

gambit187 wrote: unlike Brunell who was totally cold and calous towards Leftwich last year after losing his starting position.

Now Gumbit.... I thought we already went over this "accusation" before....

BringThePain! wrote:

gambit187 wrote:I heard it on sports talk 980 awhile ago......when he first was signed.

Shouldn't believe eveything you hear.... it never was a big issue for I never remember anything happening between them.... if there was, the media would have blown it up....

here's a little contrasting article...

Despite the competition for the position, little bitterness exists between Brunell and Leftwich, who have maintained a very professional relationship.

http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/Th ... hi1821.htm

Let's not start spreading bad rumors now... okey dokey

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

Also reports are that Vinny is in top physical shape with a strong arm. Either way you guys paid to much and gave up to much for ole man Brunell

Where are the reports that Brunell isn't in top physical condition? Vinny isn't the man he used to be either, but both are still above average QB's.

Though Im sick of giving up our picks every year I believe that he was a good pick up. We have more quality depth at QB then you guys do.

When Lavar goes TROY AIKMAN on poor Quincy you'll wish you had our depth!

Lavar=Mr Cannt Get right.
Keep having those delusions of grandier. I just figured out something QC is 4-0 against the Deadskins. So that means Mr Cannt Get Right has had 4 chances and still nothing. Look you O-line is suspect, Coles is hurt more then he is letting on and Portis is not running against weak AFC teams anymore.

People do dog Testaverde's age. He can barely get the ball down field anymore. The difference is the roles they are coming into. Testaverde is going to a mentor and a backup, while Brunell is going to be the guy in Washington. That's why we see a big difference.

I also don't see what Brunell's relationship with Leftwhich has to do with his performance this season...

Steve Spurrier III wrote:People do dog Testaverde's age. He can barely get the ball down field anymore. The difference is the roles they are coming into. Testaverde is going to a mentor and a backup, while Brunell is going to be the guy in Washington. That's why we see a big difference.

I also don't see what Brunell's relationship with Leftwhich has to do with his performance this season...

Well I only see him being here 2 years 3 at the most, and for that amount of money, it would be nice if he was mentoring Ramesy. I am gonna step out on a limb here and make a bold prediction that Brunell will struggle and Ramsey will start by the end of the season

Lavar=Mr Cannt Get right.
Keep having those delusions of grandier. I just figured out something QC is 4-0 against the Deadskins. So that means Mr Cannt Get Right has had 4 chances and still nothing. Look you O-line is suspect, Coles is hurt more then he is letting on and Portis is not running against weak AFC teams anymore

Your having delusions if you think this the same team from the past seasons. All of your success has come from at best average coaching. We have a mastermind in our ranks and the table is even now. Your reaching for some weak excuses. Our line will be fine with the better schemes. Coles may or may not be fine. But we have quality depth at receiver. And Portis is not our primary attack, we have a balanced offense now, no more keying in on our plays.

Poor Aikman is going to relapse in that booth if he announces for our game. All you'll hear is screaming from his flash backs. We're going to have to give Quincy a girls name because he's going to be on his back so much.

gambit187 wrote:I am gonna step out on a limb here and make a bold prediction that Brunell will struggle and Ramsey will start by the end of the season

I am going to impart a brief history lesson......

The last three 30 something QBs to work with Joe Gibbs were Superbowl MVPs.

Doug Williams was not even the starter at the begining of the season when he won it.

Well actually, Therismann didn't win the MVP award, Riggins did. And Jeff Rutledge never won an MVP award either.

But in all seriousness, the only real reason to think this won't work is if Brunell gets injured. While he hasn't been a big stats guy in a while, Brunell has been consistently effective throughout his career. Even last season, he was having an excellent season in terms of completion percentage and QB rating. Maybe that's why he hated the bench so much...

BringThePain! wrote:

gambit187 wrote: unlike Brunell who was totally cold and calous towards Leftwich last year after losing his starting position.

Now Gumbit.... I thought we already went over this "accusation" before....

BringThePain! wrote:

gambit187 wrote:I heard it on sports talk 980 awhile ago......when he first was signed.

Shouldn't believe eveything you hear.... it never was a big issue for I never remember anything happening between them.... if there was, the media would have blown it up....

here's a little contrasting article...

Despite the competition for the position, little bitterness exists between Brunell and Leftwich, who have maintained a very professional relationship.

http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/Th ... hi1821.htm

Let's not start spreading bad rumors now... okey dokey

FIRST OF ALL BTP I AM MAD AT YOU .........WHERE DA HELL YOU BEEN. I have not seen you post since like last week.

Ok now to the subject at hand, i heard stuff about the relation ship between Brunell and Leftwhich on 980 also as well as on that idiots show Jim Rome. I didnt say i was 100% sure just going off what i heard here.

Well, as they say those who do not know their history ar DOOMED to repeat it. I only pray this is true.

Drum roll please..................................

Here comes Gambit...to ruin ANOTHER thread, and turn it into a Cowboy vs Redskin topic that HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ORIGINAL POST.

The post was regarding an article that the Redskins will have a poor season because of the "offensive line and secondary problems"....and now Gambit has turned it into a Cowboys are better than the Redskins.

SERIOUSLY....I did tolorate Gambit for a while but this has become a daily occurance. Go look at Gambit's post history and see that almost every thread he gets involved with turns into a 3-4 page ramble that gets off topic. The site admins of this site do not see a problem with that??? I would rather have someone talk like a sailor than ruin discussions.

I am taking a break from this site until Gambit gets lost, comes out of his Redskin closet, or gets himself together.

WACK!

gambit187 wrote:FIRST OF ALL BTP I AM MAD AT YOU .........WHERE DA HELL YOU BEEN. I have not seen you post since like last week.

Oh... I've just been a busy little beaver....

Bachelor Parties to throw, Weddings to attend(this weekend), Diapers to change, Wives to entertain... Catching up on some reading, KNOWLEDGE IS POWER kids

Plus the fact that that we're in the worst part of the offseason...

gambit187 wrote:Ok now to the subject at hand, i heard stuff about the relation ship between Brunell and Leftwhich on 980 also as well as on that idiots show Jim Rome. I didnt say i was 100% sure just going off what i heard here.

In today's society... the people want proof my good man..... and you ain't presenting any by telling us what Jim "Mr. Perfect" Rome says......

You know what I heard..... Parcells has a Redskins logo tattoed on his keester.... IT'S TRUE MAN

oafusp wrote:Drum roll please..................................

Here comes Gambit...to ruin ANOTHER thread, and turn it into a Cowboy vs Redskin topic that HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ORIGINAL POST.

The post was regarding an article that the Redskins will have a poor season because of the "offensive line and secondary problems"....and now Gambit has turned it into a Cowboys are better than the Redskins.

SERIOUSLY....I did tolorate Gambit for a while but this has become a daily occurance. Go look at Gambit's post history and see that almost every thread he gets involved with turns into a 3-4 page ramble that gets off topic. The site admins of this site do not see a problem with that??? I would rather have someone talk like a sailor than ruin discussions.

I am taking a break from this site until Gambit gets lost, comes out of his Redskin closet, or gets himself together.

WACK!

From what I remember OAFUSP it takes 2 or more people to have a conversation. I am not holding guns to anyones head on this message board making them respond to me. People that respond either want to prove a point, prove me wrong, state there opinion, state a fact or just want converse about football nonsense with me. Deep down inside that little green moster is eating you up isnt it.