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American hostage reportedly beheaded
Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2004 2:07 pm
by 1niksder
RIYADH, Saudi Arabia - A statement published on an Islamic Web site Friday claimed that American hostage Paul Johnson had been beheaded. The Web site also published photos apparently showing Johnson after death. The claim could not be independently confirmed.
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“In answer to what we promised ... to kill the hostage Paul Marshall after the period is over ... the infidel got his fair treatment,” the statement said. It was signed by the Organization of al-Qaida in the Arabian Peninsula.
"Let him taste something from what Muslims tasted who were long reached by Apache helicopter fire and missiles," the statement said. Johnson had worked on Apache helicopter systems in Saudi Arabia for Lockheed Martin.
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I lived in Daharan/Kobar for 2 years back in the 90's but right now I wouldnt be upset if we turned the whole area into a lake
this $h!t has to stop
Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2004 2:19 pm
by skinsfan1
You got that right! We have to act"civil" but they can go around and behead our people like nothing. To them i say...
Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2004 2:28 pm
by Justice Hog
My brother would say "nuke 'em 'till they glow...then shoot 'em in the dark."
Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2004 4:22 pm
by Jake
They're definitely going to hell. No 72 virgins for them or whatever the rule is. Maybe this should be put in the smack forum?
Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2004 4:29 pm
by REDEEMEDSKIN
Definitely a sign of the times.
These guys will have their just reward, alright.
My condolences to the family of our fallen patriot.
Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2004 4:48 pm
by Chris Luva Luva
Bush take those billions from NASA and put it towards some good use. We are nowhere near advanced enough to get our money's worth from putting metal in space. The Space Station has basically been abadoned. We're losing our toys on mars. And the moons is just something nice to look at thru the sunroof. Put all this
moey into alternative fuels. All of it you idiot. THis oil crap is killing us, our families, our troops, and this planet. Its horrible. But he won't do it, our politicians won't do it. They're
this planet over. The people over there dont even want us there. We are not the world police. How about we fix home before we go about the world trying to fix everything else.
Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2004 4:48 pm
by Chris Luva Luva
Please move this to the smack forum so we can all express ourselves....fully.
Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2004 5:10 pm
by General Failure
Chris Luva Luva wrote:Bush take those billions from NASA and put it towards some good use. We are nowhere near advanced enough to get our money's worth from putting metal in space.
I'd like to quote one of my favorite books here, Firestar by Michael Flynn.
"Most people", said Mariesa, "do not realize that the space program was a money maker."
"Myself included," said Barry, adding with a touch of caution, "That is, if the articles you gave me were accurate."
"They were. How many citrus crops were saved by weather satellites? How many lives by new fire-retardant materials? The computer technology alone ..."
Also, alternative fuels are already viable for everyday use. Did you know a diesel engine will run off of soy?
Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2004 5:18 pm
by Scooter
Yeah, it's Bush's fault, it's a funding deal, it's America's fault...
Anyone who places blame on anyone other that the evil bastards that carried out the act of brutal torture, kidnapping and murder is a complete idiot - smack down?
Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2004 5:24 pm
by Brandon777
Scooter wrote:Yeah, it's Bush's fault, it's a funding deal, it's America's fault...
Anyone who places blame on anyone other that the evil bastards that carried out the act of brutal torture, kidnapping and murder is a complete idiot - smack down?
I agree 100%. The U.S. is dealing with evil murderers. Al Quada is the one responsible for this disgusting act. Anyone who blames this on Bush has no common sense and has an extremely low I.Q.
Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2004 5:57 pm
by Texas Hog
Scooter wrote:Yeah, it's Bush's fault, it's a funding deal, it's America's fault...
Anyone who places blame on anyone other that the evil bastards that carried out the act of brutal torture, kidnapping and murder is a complete idiot - smack down?
Thanks Scooter, well said!
Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2004 6:01 pm
by Scooter
What a range of emotions today - extreme sadness, red-faced anger... I'm all over the place. Glad you guys are here today - more than I can put in any post!
Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2004 8:28 pm
by NikiH
Ok Chris I have to disagree here MAJORLY. This isn't about taking money from anywhere. THis isn't about budget. These same people attacked us on OUR soil. If we didn't do what we had to in Iraq and elsewhere we would be seeing these things happening at home. Would you rather this occurance happen in the states? Because if we don't stand up for ourselves, it would. They ran planes into our buildings. Not our military bases, not our military planes. They attacked innocent civilians on our soil. I say spend every penny we have getting rid of as many terrorists was we possibly can. It will make me sleep better then anything else possibly could.
As far as alternative sources of energy go, let me just say we have the resources. They are already developed. Scott's relative is associated with an energy company. He explained the whole hydrogen cell technology to us. Get the automotive and housing industry to go for it and we have alternative sources. It's a matter of whose making money off of us here. President Bush wanted to explore our land for oil. He pushed to explore Alaska. His political opponents found some reason to know it down.
So he's done things to get this country going in the direction of alternative sources.
I am sorry if this is babbling but I cannot believe an educated man like yourself really believes that we aren't already capable of using alternative forms of energy or finding our oil elsewhere!
Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2004 8:58 pm
by Chris Luva Luva
I am sorry if this is babbling but I cannot believe an educated man like yourself really believes that we aren't already capable of using alternative forms of energy or finding our oil elsewhere!
Im not saying we aren't capable at all. Maybe I haven't been keeping up to date with this technology like I should but last time I heard there are a lot of bugs that need to be worked out for cars to use hydrogen and other fuels. Im jsut saying that more fundings needs go into the development of these alternatives. I just believe more of a push needs to be done. A push like what happened with the Apollos programs.
I wasn't refferring to 9/11 at all. Im was reffering to the whole thing of thing. And Im sorry Nikki we aren't over there ONLY because of 9/11. Oil is playing a huge role in these wars. There is a lot of money in oil and I believe that some of the reason we are over are just masks to cover that up. Not all but some.
My other point is that we need to take care of home first. We cannot possibly kill every single terriost. Its impossible. How long will we been sending troops over there for that effort? We need to fix our hunger and housing issues over here 1st. We need to do something about home.
Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2004 9:01 pm
by Chris Luva Luva
Yeah, it's Bush's fault, it's a funding deal, it's America's fault...
Anyone who places blame on anyone other that the evil bastards that carried out the act of brutal torture, kidnapping and murder is a complete idiot - smack down?
Im not refferring to this individual act. Im not reffering to 9/11. Im just saying that we need to distance ourselves from any reason to have deal with the middle east. They have oil. They dont like us. Lets just find another way and let them go about their business as far as the oil is concerned. Besides them oil is killing the planet among other things. As far as terrorism we'll deal with them as needed.
Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2004 12:27 am
by Amberion
My condolances go to Paul Johnson's family and friends.
I would like to give the point of view of someone from outside the US.
The whole Middle East/US thing is a difficult one to know exactly what is going on.
I think that the US were justified in attacking Iraq in 1991 when they invaded Kuwait. There was no justification for Saddam to invade and the US did the right thing to defenda country that could not defend itself. Bush Sr stopped at the point he should have IMHO.
The invasion of Afghanistan was totally justified as the government there was harbouring and promoting those responsible for the attacks on 11 September. The whole world supported this action (including nearly all muslim governments).
Then Bush Jr and his cronies decide to invade Iraq with no provocation or reason except that the Iraqi's were going to sign preferential Oil deals with Russia and France. (I think this is what Chris is trying to get across)
Your government first said that it was because Iraq had weapons of mas destruction (since proven to NOT exist) with no proof of these weapons. Then it tried saying that Iraq had close ties and supported Al-Qaeda. This also been proven to have never existed and that the US intelligence communities had advised Bush Jr that they did not exist.
Now I think that the world would have actually supported the US more if they had said they wanted to go in and remove Saddam's regime because they are a mob of murderous bastards and wanted to help the persecuted southern tribes or the northern Kurds.
The people who did this despicable deed to Paul are only able to get support now because they dont see why the US attacked Iraq
Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2004 2:27 am
by NikiH
First of all you don't live here. You have no idea the level of fear we experienced on 9/11. I live VERY close to DC. On the day this happened I actually was at my in laws house. It is not even 1 mile to Dulles Airport, where the plane that hit the Pentagon came from. I had friends inside the Pentagon. So if you think that it's ok for you to decide this war is wrong because you are not satisfied with the weapons of mass destruction or chemical weapons they have found, I'm sorry but I do not think it matters. The reasoning for invading this country was completely obvious to all of us when we did it, we were scared. We were protecting our own. Link to Osama or not, Saddam has expressed his hatred for us. We fought in the UN to get them in there. To force him to get rid of his weapons. They wouldn't go for it. So were we supposed to sit back and wait for him to think "Hey Osama managed an attack on US soil, I'm gonna try it" NO FREAKING WAY!
If this is about oil, you tell me why gas prices have sky rocketed since this has been going on. Wouldn't it benefit our President to have oil prices lower prior to a huge election. Your logic just does not make sense. As far as the Russian and French dealings with Iraq, I think that they are in the wrong here. Since when is it ok to deal with a country that supports killing and murdering just to turn a quick buck for your nation? I don't see how your logic works at all!
Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2004 10:35 am
by Steve Spurrier III
NikiH wrote:Wouldn't it benefit our President to have oil prices lower prior to a huge election?
The night is still young...
Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2004 12:20 pm
by Smithian
All I know is in NW Arkansas prices have dropped almost 20 cents in the last one or two weeks.
Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2004 12:55 pm
by DEHog
This one is different...here's a guy who left the US and is on record as saying he didn't like the way things were run here in the US. He even embraced the Islamic culture, by no means am I saying he deserves what he got. The reason I say this is different is he's a guy who embraces their religion and they still do this to him. What that says to me is that their hate for us is greater then their love for Islam
Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2004 8:31 pm
by Brandon777
Amberion wrote:My condolances go to Paul Johnson's family and friends.
I would like to give the point of view of someone from outside the US.
The whole Middle East/US thing is a difficult one to know exactly what is going on.
I think that the US were justified in attacking Iraq in 1991 when they invaded Kuwait. There was no justification for Saddam to invade and the US did the right thing to defenda country that could not defend itself. Bush Sr stopped at the point he should have IMHO.
The invasion of Afghanistan was totally justified as the government there was harbouring and promoting those responsible for the attacks on 11 September. The whole world supported this action (including nearly all muslim governments).
Then Bush Jr and his cronies decide to invade Iraq with no provocation or reason except that the Iraqi's were going to sign preferential Oil deals with Russia and France. (I think this is what Chris is trying to get across)
Your government first said that it was because Iraq had weapons of mas destruction (since proven to NOT exist) with no proof of these weapons. Then it tried saying that Iraq had close ties and supported Al-Qaeda. This also been proven to have never existed and that the US intelligence communities had advised Bush Jr that they did not exist.
Now I think that the world would have actually supported the US more if they had said they wanted to go in and remove Saddam's regime because they are a mob of murderous bastards and wanted to help the persecuted southern tribes or the northern Kurds.
The people who did this despicable deed to Paul are only able to get support now because they dont see why the US attacked Iraq
Don't jump to conclusions by saying there was no ties between Al Qaeda and Iraq. There is a huge contraversy right now in America about the 9-11 commission and the far-left liberal media in America spreading these lies for political purposes to damage the Bush administration. There has been findings of Al Qaeda terrorists in Iraq prior to our invasion. Also, Russia's president Putin said yesterday that Russian intelligence showed that Saddam was plotting terrorist attacks in the United States prior to our invasion. This war is justified. Thanks to the Bush administration, an evil dictator is behind bars waiting for justice to be served.
Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 6:40 pm
by Scooter
I can appreciate the perspective from someone outside the US. Saddam was given chance, after chance, after chance - 14 times over. He snubbed his nose at the UN. The testicular-challenged UN Security Council was too weak to act. I don't think we can let any terrorists, terrorist banker, terror supporter balk with any Security Council resolution. The UN has become a joke. A weak-minded, weak-kneed, corrupt organization which is perfectly willing to let terrorists take over the world.
Put it this way - A rattlesnake has crawled into your apartment. You inform your landlord. The landlord pretends to act, says a lot of things to the snake... but doesn't even actually DO anything. At some point, you need to remove the snake before he slithers into your child's room and injects his poison into your child.
It's the landlords duty - but what if he fails to act? Saddam got better than he deserved. The UN is pathetic -
consider the source of international news.