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Jason Gildon a Redskin?!
Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2004 1:34 pm
by Scooter
Fellas, I think this would be one of the best moves the Skins could make. He's a great athlete - can move to the middle and make plays sideline- to sideline. The Steelers have Kendrell Bell, and Gildon became expendable - but the guy can play!
I think he'd be a good mix with Arrington and Washington - and he's a good run stop guy/ blitzer. If it's true - I'd say heck-yaeh!
Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2004 1:44 pm
by surferskin
have you actually seen or heard that this is a possiblity or are you just hoping?
Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2004 1:45 pm
by jklote
surferskin wrote:have you actually seen or heard that this is a possiblity or are you just hoping?
I heard the Skins were looking at him today on WTEM Sports Radio.
Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2004 1:53 pm
by Skeletor
There was also a report in the Denver Post that the Skins were among a handful of teams looking at Gildon. However, he is not a middle backer. He's an outside linebacker who is best at rushing the passer. He would probably be a situational player if we sign him. Perhaps playing LB when Lavar goes to DE, or playing DE and letting Lavar stay at LB during obvious passing downs.
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Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2004 1:56 pm
by fleetus
I think Gildon could help, but am afraid to find out how much salary he will demand. Gildon is product of Cowhers 3-4 as a pass-rushing tweener. In a 4-3 he would have to play in space, which he's never really done. I've never heard him desvribed as a run stuffer before either. If the Skins signed him, he would probably be a 3rd down pass rushing DE. Not a bad idea as long as he gets paid as a situational guy not a starter. He'd probably be smarter to try getting work another 3-4 team like New England or Baltimore.
Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2004 1:57 pm
by surferskin
that'd be pretty wild if we signed him...but i doubt very much that he'd be just a situational player since it's going to take some decent money to sign him.
Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2004 2:02 pm
by Jeremy81
I can see him coming in and playing a lot of DE. I like the idea and encourage the pick up.
Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2004 2:06 pm
by General Failure
I also encourage this move. He's not going to be around for more than three years, and he might even improve your record so you have lower draft picks.

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Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2004 2:09 pm
by fleetus
Yeah but its all about money. He's an aging 3-4 player who's production has dropped in the system that created him in the first place. You have to be cautious about this. In addition, I guarantee you he's going to want starting caliber money. Do you spend 2-3 mil a year, maybe more, on a guy who has never played in a 4-3 as a down lineman or an OLB in space? If by some miracle he was willing to take significantly less money to try an earn a spot I'm all for it. Otherwise its wasted money and we haven't signed our draft picks yet!
Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2004 2:13 pm
by Jake
Why would we sign another linebacker unless we were moving him to DE? Gildon is pretty good but we don't need him unless he's willing to convert to end.
P.S. The money's not an issue. Remember the speculation surrounding Mike Barrow? A lot of people thought we couldn't afford him but we got him.
Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2004 2:20 pm
by COZ
I was heading for HogsNet to scoop everyone but looks like I'm late again. Here is a link about Gildon. Don't know much about him but he sounds solid.
Funny tidbit in the same article:
Stewart signs with the Raisins.... With those QB's and the vast experience in the WR corps they are destined to be the SB champs - hell I doubt they lose a game all year! Heavy sarcasism there........
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=a ... &type=lgns
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Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2004 2:20 pm
by fleetus
It's all about the money! almost. We have enough back loaded contracts as it is! We don't need another one to fit in an aging star who doesn't fit the system. I like Gildon, but its very simple logic. He is worth much less in value to the Skins as he would be to a team that runs the 3-4. I have a hunch his agent really doesn't give a darn what Gildon is worth to the Skins. Only what he's worth on the open market. So he's going to demand more money than he's worth, to us. That's my main concern. I'd rather get a guy like Kenny Holmes who has played the 4-3 as a down lineman his whole career. Holmes had as many sacks (in 5 starts) as Gildon had in 16 games last year!
Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2004 4:32 pm
by Chris Luva Luva
I saw the topic and was thinking it was a DE. We need not sign one more gotdarn player unless he's a young DE with potential. We don't need anymore players who are past their prime demanding big money. Lets go into this season with our current roster UNLESS an offer comes up that would be stupid to pass on. Lets allow our coaches to shine and get the most out of our squad.
These guys under acheived with poor coaching, with good coaching they should at least be decent. We have coaching now. We don't need big names anymore. Another thing is that we have some decent DT's now. If any of them can draw a double team it'll draw single coverage on the DE making it easier for them to get pressure. We didn't have that last year.
Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2004 5:28 pm
by Jake
Here's conformation of the team's inerest.
Gildon is expected to sign shortly with another team. The Houston Texans, Washington Redskins, Green Bay Packers, Ravens and Cleveland Browns are believed to be interested in Gildon.
http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,141 ... 15,00.html
Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2004 5:39 pm
by ii7-V7
Yes, Money is an issue. The only way we could sign him would be with a back loaded contract. We already have too many of those, and its not like we are drafting young talent to fill the gaps when we have to let these guys go. Yes, Dan has become very adept at finding ways around the cap, but the cap is still there none the less. We don't have the space to sign him.
Why is everyone so enamored with finding more guys for this team anyway. I mean Gibbs said the team was set. And short of John Abraham willingly taking a pay cut to leave the Jets and play for the Skins, why would you want these cast offs from other teams anyway. Sure, Occasionally a team will get rid of a guy that is really good, but its rare nowadays, and none of these guys fit that profile. Trust in Gibbs. Trust in Williams. Trust in Blache.
I mean I knowits offseason and there isn't much to talk about, but really Jason Gilden? I wouldn't waste any of our precious cap pace on any of these June 1st cuts.
Chad
Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2004 5:44 pm
by Chris Luva Luva
Why is everyone so enamored with finding more guys for this team anyway. I mean Gibbs said the team was set. And short of John Abraham willingly taking a pay cut to leave the Jets and play for the Skins, why would you want these cast offs from other teams anyway. Sure, Occasionally a team will get rid of a guy that is really good, but its rare nowadays, and none of these guys fit that profile. Trust in Gibbs. Trust in Williams. Trust in Blache.
Exactly!!!!! We're going to end up falling into the same trap that we've been in for the past few years. Danny has some of you guys spoiled. Im for one not worried, and I know our line will displayed marked improvment over last year.
Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2004 5:44 pm
by taylormade234
That would be one of our best moves in the off-season.
Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2004 5:57 pm
by ii7-V7
I hate the Tuna...I really do...but...I said it last year and I'll say it again. Continuity is king in this league. In no other sport does team work matter as much as it does in football. If you leave a good scheme, good coaches, and good young players alone they will get better with experience. Parcells knows this and thats why he doesn't make huge offseason splashes. This Year Dallas will essentially be the same team that went to the playoffs last year. Joe Gibbs knows this too and thats why he talks constantly about keeping a core group of guys. OBviously thats didn't happen this year as we had to get guys for a Joe Gibbs style team. And with the back loaded contracts that we are under it probably won't happen in the future because we are going to have to get rid of some guys.
So, why add more change and instability to an already unstable situation. Leave the current team in place and alone so that they can get to know each other and you don't have guys coming in at training camp trying the learn the scheme and then start. Thats what we did last year with our D-line and it didn't work.
Chad
Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2004 6:08 pm
by Chris Luva Luva
So, why add more change and instability to an already unstable situation. Leave the current team in place and alone so that they can get to know each other and you don't have guys coming in at training camp trying the learn the scheme and then start. Thats what we did last year with our D-line and it didn't work.
Yea, if we think about it, we got a lot of good players in this year. We got some pretty young guys in the key positions. We can build off of these guys and I bet that next year we'll just have to plug in some guys in a 1 or 2 positions. Also next year we can finally have a draft and get some young cheap talent in here for the
FUTURE which is something this team hasnt been worrying about lately. Please let this team turnaround while Gibbs is here.
Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2004 8:39 pm
by skins fan in indiana
Lets keep our D in place and let them come together as a unit. Adding another player would just prolong things. Now that the coach is back hopefully we can keep the core D for awhile.
Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2004 10:14 pm
by tcwest10
chaddukes wrote:Continuity is king in this league. In no other sport does team work matter as much as it does in football. If you leave a good scheme, good coaches, and good young players alone they will get better with experience.Chad
In lieu of continuity, you can get away with a bunch of guys that like their jobs and believe in what the coach is saying will work. There's nothing like a blue-collar approach, in my mind. You can get away with patchwork if everybody believes that the guy next to him can do his job, and if you don't have a slew of ESPN Highlight Reel wannabe's looking to show off.
This is why Joe goes for character guys first, IMHO.
Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2004 7:51 am
by ii7-V7
You're talking about the effects of good coaching. Undoubtedly we will benefit from good coaching. We will benefit from having character guys. But it is not a substitute for maintaining continuity. A well coached team always has a shot. A well coached team of guys who have been in the same scheme for more than a year will have an even better shot. Guys perform better when they KNOW the guy next to them will do his job, not just THINK that he will do his job. That comes only by playing games together.
Chad
Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2004 8:28 am
by chicosbailbond
we should stay away from this one....
i bet he ends up in GB or Houston...
Agreed
Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2004 10:26 am
by fleetus
It sounds like many of us agree that the "big splash" approach, while fun, does not work. We've grown accustomed to being a "player" for every big name free agent that comes along. On paper, our D-line probably grades a D+. Griffin is solid. Wynn and Daniels run-stoppers but not pass-rushers really. And then there's a fairly big ? at the other DT spot. Nonetheless, I would NOT be suprised if some relatively unknown player gets "coached up" and wins a starting job on the D-line. Like Joe Gibbs said, he guarantees an UFA will make the pro bowl for us in the future. Agunleye for the Dolphins had 15 sacks last year and he was a UFA just a few years ago. How about these names for recent UFA pro-bowlers?
Priest Holmes
John Randle
Kurt Warner
and of course Jacoby and Bostic were undrafted. We need to let Gibbs develop the players we already have first. Then, after he's had a whole season Gibbs will know where we need help.
Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2004 12:29 pm
by Redskins Rule
fleetus wrote:It sounds like many of us agree that the "big splash" approach, while fun, does not work. We've grown accustomed to being a "player" for every big name free agent that comes along. On paper, our D-line probably grades a D+. Griffin is solid. Wynn and Daniels run-stoppers but not pass-rushers really. And then there's a fairly big ? at the other DT spot. Nonetheless, I would NOT be suprised if some relatively unknown player gets "coached up" and wins a starting job on the D-line. Like Joe Gibbs said, he guarantees an UFA will make the pro bowl for us in the future. Agunleye for the Dolphins had 15 sacks last year and he was a UFA just a few years ago. How about these names for recent UFA pro-bowlers?
Priest Holmes
John Randle
Kurt Warner
and of course Jacoby and Bostic were undrafted. We need to let Gibbs develop the players we already have first. Then, after he's had a whole season Gibbs will know where we need help.
I couldn't agree with you more fleetus. Lets just wait a year or two with the guys we got now. We will know soon enough where the wholes are on our team. And you can bet Danny and Vinny will know how to fill them.