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Times: LaVar accepts return to end role

Posted: Mon May 03, 2004 4:09 am
by Jake
LaVar accepts return to end role

By Jody Foldesy
THE WASHINGTON TIMES

In a surprising change of attitude, Washington Redskins linebacker LaVar Arrington said he is accepting a role as a third-down defensive end and even indicated he shouldn't have bucked when Marvin Lewis played him there in 2002.
Arrington chafed two years ago when Lewis, then Redskins defensive coordinator, moved him from a coverage/run-to-the-ball role on third downs to a three-point stance. Although Arrington finished with 11 sacks, leading all NFL linebackers, he was eager to return to a more varied role last season under George Edwards.

Now he's needed back at defensive end. Washington picked up Phillip Daniels in free agency but still doesn't have a pure pass-rusher. Assistant head coach for defense Gregg Williams has been working Arrington at end in minicamp, and the three-time Pro Bowl pick is making the best of it.
"They want me to play defensive end — they want me to play defensive tackle — I don't care," Arrington said yesterday. "I want to win before it gets too late. I don't want the lights to go out on me or look back and say, 'Had I played defensive end and played it as well as I can play it, that might have been the difference.' I don't ever look back on my career that way."
Lewis forced Arrington to play end because, as the coach put it, Arrington "would not embrace the intricacies of playing coverage on third down." The role remained a battleground throughout the season, after which Lewis departed to become the Cincinnati Bengals' head coach.
"You know what? I might give Marv a call," Arrington said. "I do feel some of the things I said back then are definitely accurate. I also can see what his vision was, too. I'm getting older now. Two defensive schemes later, I honestly can understand what Marv was trying to get accomplished."
He added that playing end that year "gives me ... more confidence about trying to do it now."
Coles' toe worries
The right big toe of wide receiver Laveranues Coles remains a concern. Although coach Joe Gibbs said the club no longer is considering surgery, Coles' activity was trimmed back after some discomfort during Saturday's workout.
"[Head trainer] Bubba [Tyer] kind of wanted to be careful today," Gibbs said. "I think [Coles] was kind of sore because he hadn't run a lot. He's been resting his toe. And we talked yesterday about maybe a little different program for him, from a conditioning standpoint, where he's not pounding on his feet. I think he'll just work himself silly, so if anything you have to be a little careful there."
Indeed, Coles is known for his work ethic and determination to play through pain. He noticed his toe problem early last season but didn't reveal it publicly for several weeks, and even then it wasn't dubbed a stress fracture until late in the year. He started all 16 games and made it to the Pro Bowl as an alternate.
At the late-March minicamp, Coles said surgery was being considered as a "last resort." But Gibbs said that's no longer the case.
"I don't think so," Gibbs said. "He's outfitted with a new [support] in his shoe there, and he felt like that really helped. But I think it's just a matter of rest. The doctors feel like the best thing is to rest it."
Asked about his toe yesterday, Coles replied, "I'll let the trainers discuss that. I hate discussing that physical stuff."
Minicamp ends
Three days of furious play installation ended with yesterday's practice, the last of the offseason's second minicamp. Play generally was rough this weekend as coaches focused on introducing players — including 14 rookies — to a great deal of the offense and defense.
"I was real pleased to think that you could bring guys in three days ago and do as much as we did offensively and defensively," Gibbs said. "I was pleasantly surprised at how they picked things up."
The club now enters five weeks of offseason meetings and walkthroughs, which are capped by the final minicamp, June 4-6. NFL rules prohibit rookies from being with the team again until at least May 16, at which time players whose classes graduate can return.
"That's tough," Gibbs said. "You really try to challenge them to take home their notes and really study everything we've put in."
Thrash back
Wide receiver James Thrash returned to practice after skipping Saturday's workout when his daughter had to go to the hospital. Abriel, born April 26, returned home but apparently still needs to be monitored.
"We're really not sure what it is," Thrash said. "We're going to take her back, but everything seems OK right now."


http://www.washingtontimes.com/sports/2 ... -5332r.htm

Posted: Mon May 03, 2004 6:58 am
by hailskins666
i guess we've got a pass rusher now.

Posted: Mon May 03, 2004 7:01 am
by skinsfaninroanoke
If Williams decides to come with 7 men at a time, I wouldn't be surprised to see it in a scheme where Barrow would drop over the center and Taylor, Arrington and Washington come after the QB...

Ouch

Posted: Mon May 03, 2004 7:59 am
by gambit187
Is that toe of Coles bothering anyone...I mean for it to still be a problem 5 months later sounds like a problem. Was surgery ever and option

Posted: Mon May 03, 2004 8:53 am
by NC43Hog
I am starting to like Lavar more and more - and I liked him a lot to begin with.

We can only hope the LC toe doesn't become a lingering problem - looks like a potential issue. The guy is tough as nails tho, but I kinda wish he had had the surgery. Nip it Nip it Nip it.

Posted: Mon May 03, 2004 11:10 am
by REDEEMEDSKIN
gambit187 wrote:Is that toe of Coles bothering anyone...I mean for it to still be a problem 5 months later sounds like a problem. Was surgery ever and option


The answer to your question is in the article above.

REACTION TO ARTICLE:

Re: Lavar - same ol', same ol'. Good to see him a ppreciate a coach WHO'S NO LONGER HERE.

Re: Coles - worried about the consumate pro's toe. I'm looking forward to his breakout year in 2005. T.O. Who?

Posted: Mon May 03, 2004 11:36 am
by CHAZZ777
Lavar seems to be doing everything in his power to remain a team player

Coles is the consumate pro he will heal or play through the pain

Posted: Mon May 03, 2004 11:54 am
by Chris Luva Luva
I see Coles sitting out for a large part of this season, his toe is going to be an issue. Even though we have some quality depth in the WR corps, nobody can really compare to him on our team.

Posted: Mon May 03, 2004 12:49 pm
by skinsfaninroanoke
oh, now that is a positive outlook ::grin::

Posted: Mon May 03, 2004 9:05 pm
by Redskins Rule
Coles played through that last year and I don't see why he won't play through it again. Fractures do heal. Thats why the Doctors want him to rest.

Posted: Tue May 04, 2004 6:35 am
by Warmother
Coles will play, He'll be like Gary Clark used to be, miss the week of practice and have a big game on Sunday.

Posted: Tue May 04, 2004 8:32 am
by Chris Luva Luva
Im just worried. I know its not a positive outlook but it just seems we have that type of luck. I just want the guy to be healthy, I want him to sit on his butt until he is fully healed. I don't want him to be out there making it any worse, and just because it doesn't feel bad doesn't mean its not getting worse. For his personal health, and for the greater good of the team I want him to be at 100% I don't know why they didn't go for the surgery, I kno he said the Docs said it will heal but he's still having problems with it. I don't think it's going to get too much better from now till Sept. with him practicing on it. I love this team, and Coles is my fav. player, I just want all to be well. Sorry if it sounded bad.

Posted: Tue May 04, 2004 1:08 pm
by Irn-Bru
Each article I read that quotes Lavar continues to settle my fears more and more. When the initial contract problem (read: Poston's screw-up) hit, I was worried that this would be a lingering problem all year that would eventually end with Arrington leaving on bad terms. Enter Joe Gibbs.

I mean, honestly, what contract problem? Playing defensive end? Yeah, man, he'll do whatever it takes to help the team win. Somehow I don't think that this kind of mentality would have been prevelant had S.S. still been in power. But it's so refreshing to read reports of the uncoachable (or is it?) aspects of leadership and toughness coming through. Smoot and Arrington both have especially earned all of the respect that I can give them. And Coles isn't far behind them at all.

Posted: Tue May 04, 2004 1:51 pm
by JonC56
Like joe gibbs said, he's never seen a player think about money once he gets on the field. Lavar Arrington is a Professional football player and he wont let these contract issues get in the way of his play. Pretty much, you gotta belive the guy has to much pride to not play up to his full potential over a contract dispute, off the field is a different story.

Posted: Wed May 05, 2004 4:18 pm
by redskinz4ever
this will be great !!!is it just on 3rd down or different situations.didn't he have career highs in sacks the first time he played a little DE.i'am very happy about or defense so tried of our D not being able to stop teams.REDSKINZ4EVER!!!!

Posted: Wed May 05, 2004 10:22 pm
by DeathByLinebacker#56
Lavar should be able to generate some pass rush for us 10-12 sacks are possible. But we lose a lot with him not out there roaming around where he can make plays.Blowing up runs, deflecting passes. :twisted:

Posted: Thu May 06, 2004 6:38 am
by redskincity
He definitely pissed and moaned to the fact of playing in a three stance. Well see how he does this time around. I just dont want the guy hurt.

Posted: Thu May 06, 2004 7:43 am
by JansenFan
He led all lb's with 11 sacks his only year under Marvin Lewis....expect more this year with a year of experience. If you remember, he was blitzing from the strong side a lot too and it took him several weeks to get into the swing of things with lessons from the all-time sack leader. He got hel A LOT that year too. I remember seeing tackles holding him back by his shirt and throwing him to the ground on several occasions.

56

Posted: Thu May 06, 2004 8:33 am
by fleetus
Especially on 3rd downs, we can line up Lavar and Marcus wide. This creates basically a 5-2-4 or 5-1-5 formation which can be really nasty. The three interior Dlinemen act as pocket maintainers for pressure up the middle. You can play 5 d-backs for plenty of pass coverage speed and we have good depth at safety and CB to pull this off. Not to mention, just about the time Quincy Carter is figuring out how long he has before Lavar is on him, we drop Lavar in a zone blitz to take away that first outlet. I'm really looking forward to it.

Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 9:34 am
by skinsfaninroanoke
fleetus, while I agree on the formations, the nastier situation is looking like we are in the 3-3-5 and having the 2 OLB blitz without warning, or one of them and Taylor...

the not knowing which person is blitzing would be of more concern when I was lining up at QB than would KNOWING that someone was coming - you could adjust protections at the line for that...

agree

Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 1:40 pm
by fleetus
Yaeh, I've posted previously about the 3-3-5. 5-1-5 is the same thing, just whether you actually put the OLB's in a 3-point stance or not, a technicality really. My point is, with the flexibility we have using Lavar and Marcus in multiple ways and having depth at safety and CB, plus the play-making potential of Sean Taylor, we can use formations that will more than make up for our lack of a pass-rushing DL. and its gonna be fun to see tham gel!

Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 4:37 pm
by REDEEMEDSKIN
Reading all these comments makes me realize how knowledgeable SKins fans are . Ahhhhhh, football. Keep it up y'all.

Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 5:13 pm
by fleetus
I especially like the quote where Lavar was saying he now understood why Marvin Lewis wanted to use him as pass-rusher on 3rd downs and that he was wrong to gripe about it. He was thinking about calling Marvin on the phone to apologize (two years later!) and went on to say he didn't care if Gibbs wanted him at DT, he would do whatever they asked him to do to 100%! Now if that don't get you pumped, i don't know what will!

Posted: Sat May 08, 2004 12:28 am
by skinsfaninroanoke
I agree with you on the technicality fleetus, other than with a 3-3-5 we can blitz Barrow and Taylor rather than LA and Washington... and the offense won't know what combo is gonna come at their line...

With the OLB playing in a 3 point stance, however, the situation becomes more clear with 5 men rushing and maybe one blitzing...

see what I mean on the difference? I would rather have 'em guessing - makes the QB more nervous which keeps him looking for the blitz more so than the open WR...

Especially when we crowd the line and have everyone jumping forward and backward...

Would make me nervous as a QB, I can tell ya

Posted: Mon May 10, 2004 12:19 pm
by REDEEMEDSKIN
fleetus wrote:I especially like the quote where Lavar was saying he now understood why Marvin Lewis wanted to use him as pass-rusher on 3rd downs and that he was wrong to gripe about it. He was thinking about calling Marvin on the phone to apologize (two years later!) and went on to say he didn't care if Gibbs wanted him at DT, he would do whatever they asked him to do to 100%! Now if that don't get you pumped, i don't know what will!


Yes, LAVAR is ALWAYS good at pumping the crowd up before the season. I just want to see him come through, and be a team player throughout the entire season, instead of playing the blame game late in the year.

However, things are different this year for the TEAM, so we may not have to hear Lavar's yap.