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The Redskins have until this Friday to decide whether they want to pick up Doctson's 5th year option. I am completely on the fence about this one. To say this guy has under-performed since being drafted 22nd overall would be the understatement of the century. I guess I say pick up the option. Let him fight it out with the quality WRs we now have and let the chips fall where they may.

I'd take a hard pass. He hasn't done anything to earn a guaranteed 5th year.

Not at the numbers being mentioned. His career yearbis hardly even notable

That's a tough one. If you don't pick up the option and he has a breakout year, you'll really be kicking yourself.

I kind of lean towards picking it up. Mainly because our WR group is so ridiculously thin and there doesn't seem to be a free agent solution out there.

riggofan wrote:That's a tough one. If you don't pick up the option and he has a breakout year, you'll really be kicking yourself.

I kind of lean towards picking it up. Mainly because our WR group is so ridiculously thin and there doesn't seem to be a free agent solution out there.

If he was going to have a breakout year he should have had it by now. This is more like a breakup year.

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:

riggofan wrote:That's a tough one. If you don't pick up the option and he has a breakout year, you'll really be kicking yourself.

I kind of lean towards picking it up. Mainly because our WR group is so ridiculously thin and there doesn't seem to be a free agent solution out there.

If he was going to have a breakout year he should have had it by now.

I get the angst over it, but you think he should have had a breakout year last year catching balls from Josh Johnson and Mark Sanchez?

I don't know. I guess I'm just saying I don't know that its as simple as that. We're paying Paul Richardson $8m a year. I'd probably take one more year with Docston at $10m just in case.

riggofan wrote:

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:

riggofan wrote:That's a tough one. If you don't pick up the option and he has a breakout year, you'll really be kicking yourself.

I kind of lean towards picking it up. Mainly because our WR group is so ridiculously thin and there doesn't seem to be a free agent solution out there.

If he was going to have a breakout year he should have had it by now.

I get the angst over it, but you think he should have had a breakout year last year catching balls from Josh Johnson and Mark Sanchez?

I don't know. I guess I'm just saying I don't know that its as simple as that. We're paying Paul Richardson $8m a year. I'd probably take one more year with Docston at $10m just in case.

I'd probably cut bait with all of them but it's not that easy. We didn't exactly prioritize receivers in the off-season. I still feel like we could get as much or more out of Cam Simms or Rober Davis or maybe even Terry McLaurin.

JP Finlay reporting the Redskins won't pick up the option and have informed Doctson of that.

You can't say he earned the option. I hope for his sake and ours that he plays like a 1st round pick this year.

Irn-Bru wrote:You can't say he earned the option. I hope for his sake and ours that he plays like a 1st round pick this year.

No, he 100% did not earn the 5th year option. I guess my concern is a bit like the Kirk Cousins contract thing where we balked at Cousins at $19.5m. We may find Docston at $10m in 2020 not really such a bad deal. We'll see. I certainly don't blame the team either way, and Gruden has clearly been annoyed with him over the past few years.

According to J.P. Finlay of NBCSportsWashington.com, the team will not pick up the fifth-year option on the 2016 first-rounder’s contract.

Maybe this motivates him.. The undisclosed injury at draft rime was BS. Would've made him a 3rd or 4th rounder. The qb carousel hasnt helped but damn. This is a go to the pats and win a sb next year type of guy. Sucky

Looks like they made their decision:

https://247sports.com/nfl/washington-re ... Newsletter

Good choice in my opinion. He may still play here, but just not at $10,000,000.00+.

Well, the Redskins declined to pick up Doctson's 5th year option. Good for the Redskins. Doctson has done nothing to warrant even being kept. If he goes somewhere else and has a banner year, so be it. Someone mentioned Cousins as an example of someone leaving and having a better year elsewhere. He went to the Viking and did the same as he did here, pass for lots of yards when it didn't matter and choke when it did. He did not make the play offs with a team that did the previous year with a "poorer" quarterback. If Doctson can make the team, so be it also. I wouldn't expect any more than we have seen in the first four years.

To be fair.. Its closer to 1.5 seasons.. 2016 2 games Injury. 2017 coming back from injury as pretty much a rookie, and then 2018 the 4 qb *sh$t* storm last year.

Hope his 4th year can be worth a damn, then we can decide what kind of contract he is or isnt worth

Love this move, who the heck is running this team...we have actually behaved like a professional organization this offseason!

DEHog wrote:Love this move, who the heck is running this team...we have actually behaved like a professional organization this offseason!

Nothing would make me happier than for Doctson to prove the Redskins front office wrong but nothing he has done in four seasons indicates he's going to do that.

If there is any position we've missed on as much as or more than quarterbacks it's receivers. I'm hoping that's going to be a focus of the next free agency period and draft. Get Haskins some weapons.

DEHog wrote:Love this move, who the heck is running this team...we have actually behaved like a professional organization this offseason!

I don't love it or hate it. Just feel like, okay, so Docston isn't getting it done... what's the plan now?

riggofan wrote:

DEHog wrote:Love this move, who the heck is running this team...we have actually behaved like a professional organization this offseason!

I don't love it or hate it. Just feel like, okay, so Docston isn't getting it done... what's the plan now?

Need to see what they have in Davis and Simms and get McLaurin some reps. Do they have any receivers they can rely on for the future? If Quinn is the best they have they have nothing.

LMAO this is true! Gotta point to Doug Williams ya think? This year and last year... Smith was a stop gap, that paid off well until it didn't. Strong offseasons tho, the D should be ferocious- with the O slowly catching up

THIS is the 4th season.. Effectively the 3rd since he missed his first season.

Simms will be GOOD is my hopes

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:THIS is the 4th season.. Effectively the 3rd since he missed his first season.

Simms will be GOOD is my hopes

It'd be great if Doctson becomes the receiver the Redskins need this season. Then he'd be worth paying market value.

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:It'd be great if Doctson becomes the receiver the Redskins need this season. Then he'd be worth paying market value.

Yeah but market value will be higher than what they're balking at right now. Its the exact same thing as Cousins.

Well okay not exactly the same thing. I think Cousins had probably shown enough at the time to make a reasonable gamble on a $19m/yr contract. Totally agree with everyone that Doctson hasn't shown nearly enough.

My issue with Doctson is less about his production than his injury history. I got the sense from Gruden that he was soft and they were frustrated he couldn't get on the field.

I put a lot of the production issues on the coaches as much as Doctson. Doesn't seem like he's targeted as much as I'd expect. 78 targets in both of the past two years. Santana Moss is in his prime was getting targeted 110-150 times each year. Djax 100 times each year. Maybe that's on him not getting open, I don't know, but it just seems odd. Does it ever seem the past two years like he was a featured part of the game plan?

riggofan wrote:

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:It'd be great if Doctson becomes the receiver the Redskins need this season. Then he'd be worth paying market value.

Yeah but market value will be higher than what they're balking at right now. Its the exact same thing as Cousins.

Well okay not exactly the same thing. I think Cousins had probably shown enough at the time to make a reasonable gamble on a $19m/yr contract. Totally agree with everyone that Doctson hasn't shown nearly enough.

My issue with Doctson is less about his production than his injury history. I got the sense from Gruden that he was soft and they were frustrated he couldn't get on the field.

I put a lot of the production issues on the coaches as much as Doctson. Doesn't seem like he's targeted as much as I'd expect. 78 targets in both of the past two years. Santana Moss is in his prime was getting targeted 110-150 times each year. Djax 100 times each year. Maybe that's on him not getting open, I don't know, but it just seems odd. Does it ever seem the past two years like he was a featured part of the game plan?

I can't read minds but you'd think the possession receiver would be seeing a lot more targets. I mean that is who the QB should be looking to first for any passing situation that is trying to avoid 3rd and long.

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:I can't read minds but you'd think the possession receiver would be seeing a lot more targets. I mean that is who the QB should be looking to first for any passing situation that is trying to avoid 3rd and long.

Seems like it right? Garcon was targeted over 100 times every single year. 180+ targets one year!

I guess since they're not picking up the option on him that sort of answers the question.

riggofan wrote:

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:It'd be great if Doctson becomes the receiver the Redskins need this season. Then he'd be worth paying market value.

Yeah but market value will be higher than what they're balking at right now. Its the exact same thing as Cousins.

Well okay not exactly the same thing. I think Cousins had probably shown enough at the time to make a reasonable gamble on a $19m/yr contract. Totally agree with everyone that Doctson hasn't shown nearly enough.

My issue with Doctson is less about his production than his injury history. I got the sense from Gruden that he was soft and they were frustrated he couldn't get on the field.

I put a lot of the production issues on the coaches as much as Doctson. Doesn't seem like he's targeted as much as I'd expect. 78 targets in both of the past two years. Santana Moss is in his prime was getting targeted 110-150 times each year. Djax 100 times each year. Maybe that's on him not getting open, I don't know, but it just seems odd. Does it ever seem the past two years like he was a featured part of the game plan?

That's kind of mentality that breeds mediocrity IMO. It's what the Skins were famous for in the past. You don't pay or extend players who haven't produced! Let's be honest here, Doctson career numbers are equal to a down year for Antonio Brown, "IF" he has a breakout year (stop me if you've heard that before) it will be because the Skins made this move!