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Possible QB options for 2019?

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 10:57 am
by El Mexican
Hey everyone,

This thread is about next year's QB outlook. I have no doubt the team
will undergo huge changes in key positions, starting at QB.

The current situation is unsustainable.

Now having said that, I believe we'll go all-in in next year's draft
and get a guy with a big arm that can spice up the offense. I'm just speculating
of course, but the idea came up last Friday watching NFL Networks
"America's Game" dedicated to Doug Williams. Towards the end of
the program you can see our current VP of player personnel talking
about Baker Mayfield. He really likes the guy.

I don't think that crucial piece of info was left randomly in the final edit of the program.
The show debuted after our QB debacle. This could be a strong indicator of our future QB selection.

Thoughts?

Re: Possible QB options for 2019?

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 11:38 am
by Burgundy&GoldForever
I think we could have the #1 overall draft pick for the next decade and not get it right because we have no one who knows anything about drafting quarterbacks and no one who knows anything about developing quarterbacks. This team could tank for Quarterback Jesus and find a way to make him be average at best. People have already thrown about some names in other threads but since all this team does is draft a name and expect him to adjust his game to what is already on the team instead of adjusting the team to the quarterback it doesn't really matter. I wouldn't wish being the quarterback of this franchise upon any prospect. In addition the 2019 QB class looks like a scrap heap. I don't hear anyone raving about any of these prospects at the NFL level.

At least the 2020 draft has Tagovailoa and Fromm. The intelligent thing to do would be not to waste a year waiting to draft a QB and to start building around the QB prospect they intend to draft this year, even if the QB they intend to draft isn't coming out until next year. But this team isn't smart. Alex Smith may not even be able to play again and they will be paying him for the next two seasons.

Re: Possible QB options for 2019?

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 12:55 pm
by Burgundy&GoldForever
Relevant to this discussion:
"No one has been able to definitively say he is going to play football going forward," Rapoport said. "Of course everyone hopes that he is, but if you're the Washington Redskins the reality is Smith is unlikely to be ready for the start of the 2019 season. They know right now they do need to find a quarterback to at least begin the season with. It's just unclear whether that's going to come in free agency or potentially in the draft."

The bleak reality of the situation is that Smith's career, which has spanned 14 seasons thus far, is in doubt.

"Unfortunately for Alex Smith, he is still in the hospital, still trying to battle this infection," Rapoport said. "A lot going forward for Alex Smith."

Re: Possible QB options for 2019?

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 2:03 pm
by SkinsJock
The Redskins just need to stop doing the things that put them in this huge mess

we're going to need to be patient but they have to be honest with us for a change - this sh*t ain't working :roll:

Re: Possible QB options for 2019?

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 4:28 pm
by welch
Sign Colin Kaepernick, giving him months to learn Gruden's offense and for Gruden to modify anything to take better advantage of Kaepernick's skills. The guy took Alex Smith's job at SF. Starting QB in the SB and, with Russell Wilson, was supposed to be prototype for the "new and more mobile" QB of the future.

No more life-time second string or third-string QB experiments. There is a reason why McCoy, Sanchez, and Johnson have bounced around for a decade.

(Alex Smith looks to have been as badly hurt as Joe Theissman. If he plays again, it will be in two years.)

Re: Possible QB options for 2019?

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 5:01 pm
by El Mexican
Yep. Today vs NY things got ugly.

The team is unwatchable. And no, garbage time stats don't count.

This game confirmed we need a real QB pronto.

Re: Possible QB options for 2019?

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 10:54 pm
by Snout
El Mexican wrote:This game confirmed we need a real QB pronto.
This game confirmed that we have a lot of needs, including a defense.

Re: Possible QB options for 2019?

Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:56 am
by cowboykillerzRGiii
Anyone???

Sign me up and I'll do better then buttfumble did today... Gross

Re: Possible QB options for 2019?

Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 8:10 am
by Burgundy&GoldForever
welch wrote:Sign Colin Kaepernick, giving him months to learn Gruden's offense and for Gruden to modify anything to take better advantage of Kaepernick's skills. The guy took Alex Smith's job at SF. Starting QB in the SB and, with Russell Wilson, was supposed to be prototype for the "new and more mobile" QB of the future.

No more life-time second string or third-string QB experiments. There is a reason why McCoy, Sanchez, and Johnson have bounced around for a decade.

(Alex Smith looks to have been as badly hurt as Joe Theissman. If he plays again, it will be in two years.)
I'm 100% on board with this plan of action. Sadly, the Redskins won't be because Snyder would rather be the worst owner in sports than do anything which might be construed as "liberal."

Re: Possible QB options for 2019?

Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 8:49 am
by DEHog
Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:I think we could have the #1 overall draft pick for the next decade and not get it right because we have no one who knows anything about drafting quarterbacks and no one who knows anything about developing quarterbacks. This team could tank for Quarterback Jesus and find a way to make him be average at best. People have already thrown about some names in other threads but since all this team does is draft a name and expect him to adjust his game to what is already on the team instead of adjusting the team to the quarterback it doesn't really matter. I wouldn't wish being the quarterback of this franchise upon any prospect. In addition the 2019 QB class looks like a scrap heap. I don't hear anyone raving about any of these prospects at the NFL level.

At least the 2020 draft has Tagovailoa and Fromm. The intelligent thing to do would be not to waste a year waiting to draft a QB and to start building around the QB prospect they intend to draft this year, even if the QB they intend to draft isn't coming out until next year. But this team isn't smart. Alex Smith may not even be able to play again and they will be paying him for the next two seasons.
^^^^ This...Bring in a new GM and coach. Go with Colt as the starter if Alex isn't back, when Alex's comes back he can play if Colt is not playing well. Give the new GM and coach the year to evaluate every (and let them know!) player!!! It may light a fire under some players or we may suck and can draft one of the QB's coming out!

Re: Possible QB options for 2019?

Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:42 am
by welch
Colin Kaepernick reportedly ‘ready and willing’ to play for the Redskins
By Des Bieler December 10 at 1:51 AM

The Redskins’ increasingly makeshift situation at quarterback has done nothing to end questions about why the team has been hesitant to sign Colin Kaepernick. For his part, the noted free agent was reported Sunday to be “ready and willing” to play for Washington.

That’s according to Charles Robinson of Yahoo Sports, who cited “two sources close to the former NFL quarterback” in reporting that Kaepernick “would be willing to play for the Redskins as early as next week.”

“He’s a professional Super Bowl-caliber quarterback and in the best shape of his life, and he would play, if given the opportunity, on any NFL team,” a source told Robinson. His report was published shortly after the Redskins were drubbed by the Giants, 40-16, with starting quarterback Mark Sanchez playing poorly before being replaced by Josh Johnson.
“Do we want to go with a guy that’s familiar with my terminology who we worked out last week . . . or go with a guy and teach, basically, a whole new kind of offense with new offensive linemen with a lot of the zone reads and all that stuff,” Gruden said. “Not a lot of time to really get a brand new quarterback, a new system installed and taught in a couple days of practice.”

As for the previous signing of Sanchez, Gruden said on Tuesday that his team “wanted a guy with a similar skill-set with Colt,” who could “come in in a pinch and function a little bit.” He added, “Not that Colin can’t do some of the things I’m talking about. But somebody with a little bit of familiarity."

Gruden also pointed to Sanchez’s past work with offensive coordinator Matt Cavanaugh and “experience in a pro style offense,” and emphasized the “short week” the Redskins had to prepare whomever they brought in. Gruden claimed that there would have been a “greater possibility” of considering Kaepernick if Washington had a sudden need for a quarterback in Week 1, as opposed to much later in the season.

Kaepernick hasn’t played since the 2016 season, when he threw for 2,241 yards, 16 touchdowns and four interceptions in 11 games for the 49ers, posting a passer rating of 90.7 and adding 468 yards and two scores on the ground. San Francisco went 1-10 in those games en route to a 2-14 season, but Kaepernick had previously led the 49ers to two straight appearances in the NFC championship game, with one start in the Super Bowl, following the 2012 and 2013 seasons.

He has also notched better career numbers in passer rating (88.9) and yards per attempt (7.3) than Sanchez (73.7, 6.6) or Johnson (57.7, 5.9), but a source told Robinson that Kaepernick never heard from the Redskins, saying, “No call for a job, no call for a tryout, no calls, period — nothing."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2 ... df04f86c8c

Re: Possible QB options for 2019?

Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:56 am
by DEHog
If you think he could help this current team you don't know much about football!

Re: Possible QB options for 2019?

Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 11:41 am
by riggofan
DEHog wrote:If you think he could help this current team you don't know much about football!
So you're saying there's a chance?

:D

Re: Possible QB options for 2019?

Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 6:49 pm
by SkinsJock
I'm with DEHog - out with the old and in with the new - this franchise is going nowhere because the guys in charge of the draft and the play on the field each week have not shown that they know how to build a team OR how to get more out of the guys they have OR how to get them to play together

this is going to take years - let's put new people in charge and let them do their jobs - what we've been doing has obviously not worked

Re: Possible QB options for 2019?

Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 7:52 pm
by chiefhog44
Kap?!?! Really? The guy wasn’t even good when he played. He hasn’t played in a while. Talk about taking a stab in the dark. Ugh. Talk about an awful solution.

What we need is to roll with Gruden for another year. Get rid of Allen. Bring in a football person to evaluate everything for a year. Smith may or may not play but he’s got three more years minimum. Let Johnson play next year. Who gives a crap. I don’t care if we lose all of our games next year. In fact I hope we do. There are zero QB’s (from what the so called experts say) in this years draft. There are a few franchise QBs in 2020. Draft one at that point and let him sit behind a real pro in Smith for a year. From there, hopefully a solid GM has built a plan. I also think that a few very solid defensive minds will be fired this year or next. Grab one as a DC and start installing the defense. Lastly, who in the world is a better solution than Gruden (anything you answer is WRONG, because you don’t know. You are not qualified to know). You need to hire someone who is qualified to evaluate. This isn’t a quick fix. That’s been the issue for the last 30 years. We never take the time to properly rebuild, because Snyder always needs something to sell. We are a middling team. But this is ABSOLUTELY not the year to fire Gruden or get rid of Smith as QB. It’s time to tank for a solid QB. Continue building through the draft.

Re: Possible QB options for 2019?

Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 1:51 pm
by welch
chiefhog44 wrote:Kap?!?! Really? The guy wasn’t even good when he played. He hasn’t played in a while. Talk about taking a stab in the dark. Ugh. Talk about an awful solution.

What we need is to roll with Gruden for another year. Get rid of Allen. Bring in a football person to evaluate everything for a year. Smith may or may not play but he’s got three more years minimum. Let Johnson play next year. Who gives a crap. I don’t care if we lose all of our games next year. In fact I hope we do. There are zero QB’s (from what the so called experts say) in this years draft. There are a few franchise QBs in 2020. Draft one at that point and let him sit behind a real pro in Smith for a year. From there, hopefully a solid GM has built a plan. I also think that a few very solid defensive minds will be fired this year or next. Grab one as a DC and start installing the defense. Lastly, who in the world is a better solution than Gruden (anything you answer is WRONG, because you don’t know. You are not qualified to know). You need to hire someone who is qualified to evaluate. This isn’t a quick fix. That’s been the issue for the last 30 years. We never take the time to properly rebuild, because Snyder always needs something to sell. We are a middling team. But this is ABSOLUTELY not the year to fire Gruden or get rid of Smith as QB. It’s time to tank for a solid QB. Continue building through the draft.
Kaepernick was good enough to play Alex Smith to the bench, and much better than Buttfumble and Johnson, or anyone else the Redskins might revive to play QB, or any college kid they might draft in 2019. Good enough as a place-holder until the Redskins can find a QB. Of course, the 2018 season is lost, but playing Kaepernick might give the team respectability in the last few games.

Certainly:

- fire Bruce Allen

- fire Gruden and staff

- hire competent people. That might be hard -- there are reports that players and agents don't want to work for the Redskins, but there must be someone with skill and ethics. (Maybe subcontract the ownership function to the Lerner family or to Ted Leonsis?)

- let a new front office and coaching staff weed out the hopeless players. Trade some of the expensive players who might have value: is Josh Norman worth his salary?

Re: Possible QB options for 2019?

Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 2:02 pm
by Burgundy&GoldForever
welch wrote:- hire competent people. That might be hard -- there are reports that players and agents don't want to work for the Redskins, but there must be someone with skill and ethics. (Maybe subcontract the ownership function to the Lerner family or to Ted Leonsis?)

- let a new front office and coaching staff weed out the hopeless players. Trade some of the expensive players who might have value: is Josh Norman worth his salary?
Leonsis is the man who refuses to fire Ernie Grunfeld. Lerner is the man who refuses to pay Bryce Harper market value. I'm not certain either of those gentlemen is the answer.

Re: Possible QB options for 2019?

Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:43 pm
by SkinsJock
IMO - bringing in Kaepernick is not a good move but then again, at the time, adding Foster was a really stupid thing to do

this franchise needs to do a major turnaround of people in the FO and on the coaching staff

we don't need any more stupid decisions by the people in charge here

Re: Possible QB options for 2019?

Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2018 10:39 am
by chiefhog44
welch wrote:
chiefhog44 wrote:Kap?!?! Really? The guy wasn’t even good when he played. He hasn’t played in a while. Talk about taking a stab in the dark. Ugh. Talk about an awful solution.

What we need is to roll with Gruden for another year. Get rid of Allen. Bring in a football person to evaluate everything for a year. Smith may or may not play but he’s got three more years minimum. Let Johnson play next year. Who gives a crap. I don’t care if we lose all of our games next year. In fact I hope we do. There are zero QB’s (from what the so called experts say) in this years draft. There are a few franchise QBs in 2020. Draft one at that point and let him sit behind a real pro in Smith for a year. From there, hopefully a solid GM has built a plan. I also think that a few very solid defensive minds will be fired this year or next. Grab one as a DC and start installing the defense. Lastly, who in the world is a better solution than Gruden (anything you answer is WRONG, because you don’t know. You are not qualified to know). You need to hire someone who is qualified to evaluate. This isn’t a quick fix. That’s been the issue for the last 30 years. We never take the time to properly rebuild, because Snyder always needs something to sell. We are a middling team. But this is ABSOLUTELY not the year to fire Gruden or get rid of Smith as QB. It’s time to tank for a solid QB. Continue building through the draft.

Kaepernick was good enough to play Alex Smith to the bench, and much better than Buttfumble and Johnson, or anyone else the Redskins might revive to play QB, or any college kid they might draft in 2019. Good enough as a place-holder until the Redskins can find a QB. Of course, the 2018 season is lost, but playing Kaepernick might give the team respectability in the last few games.

Certainly:

- fire Bruce Allen

- fire Gruden and staff

- hire competent people. That might be hard -- there are reports that players and agents don't want to work for the Redskins, but there must be someone with skill and ethics. (Maybe subcontract the ownership function to the Lerner family or to Ted Leonsis?)

- let a new front office and coaching staff weed out the hopeless players. Trade some of the expensive players who might have value: is Josh Norman worth his salary?
Kap is not a solution. Bottom line, it would bring more noise this team doesn’t need.

You have a bright young upandcoming GM IN THE BUILDING! Kyle Smith should absolutely be retained. Don’t let the next Sean Mcvay walk. Let Brian lafamina (who is extremely talented) run the business side. This is all being set up by the way. I imagine Bruce would have retired after his year or next this this structure in place. Still may.

Re: Possible QB options for 2019?

Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2018 12:59 pm
by Sonny9TD
Colt McCoy. Its all they can do. They need 2 offensive lineman and 2 new linebackers in the draft. Then a CB. Then a receiver. That takes care of the first 5 rounds with our conditional picks. Can't afford another QB and those positions must be addressed. They need one more year of draft picks to just get competitive then in 2020 get a QB and some depth and make a run.

Dan Snyder I'm available for GM. Just reply to this message with my hefty salary and i will discuss other expenses i will need taken care of.
PS I'm not kidding I have a degree, no record, no tweets, and major in Redskin football. You want a Super Bowl. I'm your man

Re: Possible QB options for 2019?

Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2018 1:03 pm
by chiefhog44
Sonny9TD wrote:Colt McCoy. Its all they can do. They need 2 offensive lineman and 2 new linebackers in the draft. Then a CB. Then a receiver. That takes care of the first 5 rounds with our conditional picks. Can't afford another QB and those positions must be addressed. They need one more year of draft picks to just get competitive then in 2020 get a QB and some depth and make a run
Agree with waiting on the QB. QBs in this upcoming draft look pathetic (although I’m just regurgitating what I’ve heard on TV). Seems like the 2020 draft is stocked full

Re: Possible QB options for 2019?

Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2018 1:41 pm
by riggofan
I think we'll have no choice at QB this year. We will HAVE to draft Brett Rypien for obvious reasons. :)

https://thedraftnetwork.com/2018/09/12/ ... tt-rypien/

Re: Possible QB options for 2019?

Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2018 1:42 pm
by Burgundy&GoldForever
riggofan wrote:I think we'll have no choice at QB this year. We will HAVE to draft Brett Rypien for obvious reasons. :)

https://thedraftnetwork.com/2018/09/12/ ... tt-rypien/
The Cowboys will draft him just to spite the Redskins.

Re: Possible QB options for 2019?

Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2018 1:59 pm
by riggofan
Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:The Cowboys will draft him just to spite the Redskins.
Damn, you're probably right.

Re: Possible QB options for 2019?

Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2018 2:40 pm
by DEHog
riggofan wrote:I think we'll have no choice at QB this year. We will HAVE to draft Brett Rypien for obvious reasons. :)

https://thedraftnetwork.com/2018/09/12/ ... tt-rypien/
Rather have Angela :shock:

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