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Jay Gruden you are a disgrace to football and have no clue how to prepare a team! Another embarrassing Monday night showing...pathetic!!!

*another off the bye week catastrophe

Another pathetic showing by our coach.

It's like these guys just took two week off knowing Brees
would come at them from the outset and just gave up prematurely. Why bother?

This team is quickly fading into irrelevance. And that's saying something when the season
is only a month old.

Two things. Alex Smith and Jay Gruen have to go. Colt McCoy is better than Smith and i don't care who takes Jay Grudens job. Anyone. Alex Smith makes boat loads of money more than Colt McCoy and McCoy is the better QB. When will the Redskins learn?

Yea, Jay Gruden was the idiot who committed multiple defensive penalties on 3rd downs when the defense had New Orleans stopped. Gruden was the one who let a receiver run right by him for 52 yards although I could have sworn the jersey said "Nicholson." Gruden was the one who let a defensive tackle go between him and the center while the two of them stared at each other confused about whose blocking assignment was missed. If the defense doesn't do several stupid things we're never down and out by half-time. But blame Gruden. It's all his fault. I guess it's not his "fault" we beat a Green Bay team we had no business beating.

Lol true words B&G.. Althpugh the game plan was subpar imo. We had 2 weeks to create the blueprint to success. Some suspect packages were called... And it appears the bye week didnt help us in the health department sob

I don't know who to hold responsible for that mess, but what a freaking embarrassment. I just dread MNF games. We always save our worst performances for Monday night.

[quote="Burgundy&GoldForever"]Yea, Jay Gruden was the idiot who committed multiple defensive penalties on 3rd downs when the defense had New Orleans stopped. Gruden was the one who let a receiver run right by him for 52 yards although I could have sworn the jersey said "Nicholson." Gruden was the one who let a defensive tackle go between him and the center while the two of them stared at each other confused about whose blocking assignment was missed. If the defense doesn't do several stupid things we're never down and out by half-time. But blame Gruden. It's all his fault. I guess it's not his "fault" we beat a Green Bay team we had no business beating.[/quote

When these players make those kinds of mistakes it is bad coaching.

Id also add... The 85 Bears could've been out there- and I can asdure you Breezy goes off just the same. No one was stopping that freight train! The team was jacked he was jacked the city and fans were pumped. We just were the unlucky team placed in front of them. Offensive woes penalties on D and injuries didnt help... But we were cooked before the kick off imo

oj wrote:

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:Yea, Jay Gruden was the idiot who committed multiple defensive penalties on 3rd downs when the defense had New Orleans stopped. Gruden was the one who let a receiver run right by him for 52 yards although I could have sworn the jersey said "Nicholson." Gruden was the one who let a defensive tackle go between him and the center while the two of them stared at each other confused about whose blocking assignment was missed. If the defense doesn't do several stupid things we're never down and out by half-time. But blame Gruden. It's all his fault. I guess it's not his "fault" we beat a Green Bay team we had no business beating.[/quote

When these players make those kinds of mistakes it is bad coaching.

Yea, if only Gruden had told them not to get unsportsmanlike conduct penalties.

We didn't lose that game because of Jay Gruden but we'd have a much better chance of winning games with a better head coach ...

Jay Gruden came here at a time when no good head coach wanted to be here and because Snyder felt that he would be easy to 'manage'

hopefully Snyder cleans house and brings in a GM with the authority to hire his own staff and his own HC

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:Yea, Jay Gruden was the idiot who committed multiple defensive penalties on 3rd downs when the defense had New Orleans stopped. Gruden was the one who let a receiver run right by him for 52 yards although I could have sworn the jersey said "Nicholson." Gruden was the one who let a defensive tackle go between him and the center while the two of them stared at each other confused about whose blocking assignment was missed. If the defense doesn't do several stupid things we're never down and out by half-time. But blame Gruden. It's all his fault. I guess it's not his "fault" we beat a Green Bay team we had no business beating.

I'm guessing the putrid display of the Spurrier and Zorn teams were not their fault, right?

C'mon man, this team just sleep-walked for two weeks and expected to be competitive on Monday for what reason?
Everyone in the NFL knew Brees would come out full throttle.

Everyone expect Gruden and Co.

El Mexican wrote:

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:Yea, Jay Gruden was the idiot who committed multiple defensive penalties on 3rd downs when the defense had New Orleans stopped. Gruden was the one who let a receiver run right by him for 52 yards although I could have sworn the jersey said "Nicholson." Gruden was the one who let a defensive tackle go between him and the center while the two of them stared at each other confused about whose blocking assignment was missed. If the defense doesn't do several stupid things we're never down and out by half-time. But blame Gruden. It's all his fault. I guess it's not his "fault" we beat a Green Bay team we had no business beating.

I'm guessing the putrid display of the Spurrier and Zorn teams were not their fault, right?

C'mon man, this team just sleep-walked for two weeks and expected to be competitive on Monday for what reason?
Everyone in the NFL knew Brees would come out full throttle.

Everyone expect Gruden and Co.

Spurrier and Zorn didn't have Preston Smith getting trucked by a utility quarterback. Everyone screwed something up in this game. Everyone, to a man. But, maybe if the game isn't already a blowout by half-time Gruden calls a different game. The defense gave up two touchdowns to penalties on drives that were stopped. Not Gruden. Gruden was, however, the one who settled for a field goal in a game where field goals were useless as teats on a bull. The point here is this thread appears to be blaming Gruden for players not making plays every pro should make.

I'm rarely a "blame the coach" guy, and I agree with some of your comments B&G. But Jay deserves his share of blame for that garbage as much as the rest of them.

riggofan wrote:I'm rarely a "blame the coach" guy, and I agree with some of your comments B&G. But Jay deserves his share of blame for that garbage as much as the rest of them.

You can name any coach you like and he wouldn't have gotten a win out of the team we witnessed. 1980's Joe Gibbs doesn't get that team to win that game.

this thread is basically about whether you feel Jay Gruden is a good HC - IMO he's about as good as we could get at the time he started here

hopefully, in 2019, we get a new GM who is put in charge of taking this franchise in a new direction

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:

riggofan wrote:I'm rarely a "blame the coach" guy, and I agree with some of your comments B&G. But Jay deserves his share of blame for that garbage as much as the rest of them.

You can name any coach you like and he wouldn't have gotten a win out of the team we witnessed. 1980's Joe Gibbs doesn't get that team to win that game.

Well that implies that the players weren't good enough to win that game or at least be competitive in that game. I don't agree with that at all. Coming off a bye week, the team had two weeks to prepare, time to rest up and get guys healthy. I like Gruden and want him to succeed, but I don't think you can objectively argue that his team looked prepared to play Monday night. Whether that was mentally prepared, a good game plan or whatever.

I'd also say that it wasn't just Gruden. The o-line wasn't good. Secondary was horrible. LBs were awful. There's blame to go around for all of those coaches and players.

I'm definitely not blaming the coaches, but you have to hold EVERYONE accountable when the team looks as bad as they did this week.

Everybody loses games in the NFL. If you want to answer the question of whether Gruden is a good coach or not, let's see how the team responds and plays this Sunday.

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:

oj wrote:

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:Yea, Jay Gruden was the idiot who committed multiple defensive penalties on 3rd downs when the defense had New Orleans stopped. Gruden was the one who let a receiver run right by him for 52 yards although I could have sworn the jersey said "Nicholson." Gruden was the one who let a defensive tackle go between him and the center while the two of them stared at each other confused about whose blocking assignment was missed. If the defense doesn't do several stupid things we're never down and out by half-time. But blame Gruden. It's all his fault. I guess it's not his "fault" we beat a Green Bay team we had no business beating.[/quote

When these players make those kinds of mistakes it is bad coaching.

Yea, if only Gruden had told them not to get unsportsmanlike conduct penalties.

It’s not whether or not he told them, its does he hold them accountable? There seems to be a lack of this under Gruden??
My biggest issue with the Skins coaching is that it (I freely admit I haven’t researched this) seems like the play of most of the players we bring in declines here. While we see the play of players who leave improve….that is coaching!

riggofan wrote:

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:

riggofan wrote:I'm rarely a "blame the coach" guy, and I agree with some of your comments B&G. But Jay deserves his share of blame for that garbage as much as the rest of them.

You can name any coach you like and he wouldn't have gotten a win out of the team we witnessed. 1980's Joe Gibbs doesn't get that team to win that game.

Well that implies that the players weren't good enough to win that game or at least be competitive in that game. I don't agree with that at all. Coming off a bye week, the team had two weeks to prepare, time to rest up and get guys healthy. I like Gruden and want him to succeed, but I don't think you can objectively argue that his team looked prepared to play Monday night. Whether that was mentally prepared, a good game plan or whatever.

I'd also say that it wasn't just Gruden. The o-line wasn't good. Secondary was horrible. LBs were awful. There's blame to go around for all of those coaches and players.

I'm definitely not blaming the coaches, but you have to hold EVERYONE accountable when the team looks as bad as they did this week.

Everybody loses games in the NFL. If you want to answer the question of whether Gruden is a good coach or not, let's see how the team responds and plays this Sunday.

We all know the problem begins with the owner refusing to remove the useless general manager. It looks like he's trying to "reassign" Bruce Allen to director of stadium nonsense instead of firing him but that would be good enough if he stays out of the football personnel aspect. A real GM would be holding everyone accountable. I'd guess Bruce Allen hasn't done or said a mother loving thing. The habit of letting things slide until they are out of control is an organizational failure from the top down. Gruden is a pushover because Allen is a pushover because Snyder is a pushover if your name is "Allen", although George would be completely embarrassed by and disown both of his sons, but that is another story. Nevertheless, Gruden isn't missing tackles or blowing blocking and coverage assignments. His gameplan was either completely disrupted by being down so quickly or it was just hot garbage. Probably both.

DEHog wrote: It’s not whether or not he told them, its does he hold them accountable? There seems to be a lack of this under Gruden??

You mean the guy who benched Josh Norman?

DEHog wrote:It’s not whether or not he told them, its does he hold them accountable? There seems to be a lack of this under Gruden??
My biggest issue with the Skins coaching is that it (I freely admit I haven’t researched this) seems like the play of most of the players we bring in declines here. While we see the play of players who leave improve….that is coaching!

Snyder permanently damaged the ability of this franchise to hire a qualified, experienced head coach. He fired Schottenheimer for no good reason. He interfered with Shanahan for no good reason. The only coach he left alone was Gibbs. Gibbs is 80 and he's not walking through that door. If I'm a veteran player I'm not listening to Jay Gruden. He hasn't earned
any level of respect. So, even if he attempts to hold players accountable they're probably blowing him off. They know they'll have NFL jobs longer than he will.

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:Nevertheless, Gruden isn't missing tackles or blowing blocking and coverage assignments.

Of course not. Completely agree.

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:His gameplan was either completely disrupted by being down so quickly or it was just hot garbage. Probably both.

Yeah I thought we were just too conservative early. I read something the other day that complained Gruden was "coaching scared" and that kind of seemed on point to me. You knew it was a big night for the Saints, and they have the ability to be explosive with Brees. We really needed to get aggressive early, don't think we were at all.

riggofan wrote:Yeah I thought we were just too conservative early. I read something the other day that complained Gruden was "coaching scared" and that kind of seemed on point to me. You knew it was a big night for the Saints, and they have the ability to be explosive with Brees. We really needed to get aggressive early, don't think we were at all.

If you're getting burned on 4WR sets running vertical routes then answer is to get to Brees before he has time to take a seven step drop and throw a vertical pass. The team never adjusted defensively. New Orleans running game was not going to rack up 40+ points. That is absolutely on the coaching staff. Peterson is always a big play threat so I wouldn't have abandoned the running game. I would, however, have abandoned those screen passes Alex Smith was throwing that were getting the backs and receivers injured. Gruden has no Plan B. That makes for bad coaching.

riggofan wrote:

DEHog wrote: It’s not whether or not he told them, its does he hold them accountable? There seems to be a lack of this under Gruden??

You mean the guy who benched Josh Norman?

Yep...that's a start...lets see how Norman responds this week!

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:

DEHog wrote:It’s not whether or not he told them, its does he hold them accountable? There seems to be a lack of this under Gruden??
My biggest issue with the Skins coaching is that it (I freely admit I haven’t researched this) seems like the play of most of the players we bring in declines here. While we see the play of players who leave improve….that is coaching!

Snyder permanently damaged the ability of this franchise to hire a qualified, experienced head coach. He fired Schottenheimer for no good reason. He interfered with Shanahan for no good reason. The only coach he left alone was Gibbs. Gibbs is 80 and he's not walking through that door. If I'm a veteran player I'm not listening to Jay Gruden. He hasn't earned
any level of respect. So, even if he attempts to hold players accountable they're probably blowing him off. They know they'll have NFL jobs longer than he will.

Agreed, I think any attempt of having a chance for a decent coach here, starts with a GM that been given full power.