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All of you guys who talked about how much you trust Gibbs....but as soon as he doesn't draft like you would expect you whine and complain. Where's your faith now? So, Joe decides that he wants to add depth to the O-line....the very thing that made this team famous....The very unit from which this website gets its name!.....and you are already saying how stupid he is. I can't believe it! Guess this season is a wash cause we didn't get a fifth round Defensive End!

Chad

Yea, lets find Spurrier and bring him back!!!!


Well, I for one would have liked to find a DE. But I understand that they know they team better than us and wouldn't have taken offensive players IF we didn't need them.

Come y'all. You gotta know that Joe Gibbs knows exactly what he's doin'. Would I have liked a DE/DT...well....sure. But, alas, I've never won 3 super bowl trophies. I've never guided the Skins to a great record. I trust Gibbs 100%..and if he wants to pick Offensive Linemen, then....dammit...he should pick Offensive Linemen with our full support!

okay, okay stop...

Joe Gibbs can make mistakes too, for crying out loud. We can't just go around saying "Well, that move looks terrible on the surface... but I'm sure Joe knows what he's doing!"

I mean, I have respect for him, but let's not be lemmings okay?

When you are in the fifth and sixth round you pick the best player avaiable not need. Your not going to find a starter (at least a first yeat in the fifth round). He did the right thing, Joe picked the best players avaiable. That is how you find the Tom Brady's and Jamal Andersons. Not by picking needs in late rounds, but by best players. Who ever said we should look for DE's in the 6th or 5th round should get a clue about good drafting.

When Joe's done what he's done, he can gladly have my lemming-ness.

Gibbs said the D-Line is going to be OK

I don't Know why he said that just like I don't know why he drafted two Ol

but when he talked about them HE TALKED about them he didn't give us stats off a 3 by 5 card like we've gotten the last few years

so I don't know everything


I know we are going to have a better year than we did last year

We used to have a saying around my house during game time -- "Believe in Stephen." Basically, we never thought that Shotty or Spurrier ever ran Davis enough. . .and were always so happy when in the 4th quarter he would get those extra 8-10 carries @ 4-5 yards per carry. We'd be shouting "Believe!" with each first down.

We also used to say "have faith in the five!" refering to (at first): Champ, Trotter, Arrington, Green, and Armstead. When #28 left (sigh), there was a debate in the house as to whether Smoot or someone else should replace him.

"Believe in Stephen; and have faith in the five!"

I think that our days of putting our faith in the players are over with Gibbs back in the house. My best bet is that, come this fall, you'll most likely hear something like "Gotta trust in Gibbs" as we cheer our team on from Annapolis.

All this to say: you can pretend like players are going to be what makes the Redskins great, but I've gotta agree with the others in putting down skeptisism. People that say that, because a 5th round pick wasn't used to "address our D-line" problem, we've made a huge draft blunder should stop and think for a moment. Doesn't Gibbs deserve just a *little* more credit than that?

(p.s. I realize I rated the Skins with a B- in the draft in a different thread. I stand behind that because I don't count Portis/Brunnel as part of our draft, etc. It doesn't mean I trust Gibbs any less--I think he did great with the picks that we had, especially in getting Taylor/Cooley)

Skinsfan55 wrote:okay, okay stop...

Joe Gibbs can make mistakes too, for crying out loud. We can't just go around saying "Well, that move looks terrible on the surface... but I'm sure Joe knows what he's doing!"

I mean, I have respect for him, but let's not be lemmings okay?

Ahh! But you are one of the main culprits. In one post you say, I want Winslow, but Taylor is a good pick too. In the next you say, This is the worst draft mistake that we have ever made. That sounds quite inconsistent to me. It also doesn't sound like you really think he knows what he is doing. Do you think that you could do better? Do you think that you are a better talent scout than the whole Redskins organization?

Chad

I don't think the OT picks were bad picks at all. It's not like a 5/6 round pick is going to come in a start immediately anyway.

None of the dt/de's available at that point in the draft were any better than who we already have.

At least the OT's can sit back and learn from a couple of the best tackles in the league.

.....And we have depth in case we are forced to release Samuels. One of these two is bound to be good with Caoch Bugel teaching them the game and both are friggin huge. I also read in the post this morning that Wilson may be asked to play Guard.

Skinsfan55 writes:

I mean, I have respect for him, but let's not be lemmings okay?

Okay, quick poll out there. Who's a Gibbs lemming?

(Me in the corner raising my hand as high as I can): "OH! OH! OVER HERE! ME! ME! ME!"

I'm a Gibbs lemming to be sure...and proud to admit it.

Anyone else wanna join me?

I like "Go with Gibbs," Redskinsfreak (I feel like I'm insulting you when I write that).

Justice Hog, count me in--even if it does mean walking off the cliff. My guess is that it will lead to another 3 (or so) trophies, but what does a lemming like me know?

I'm a Gibbs lemming to be sure...and proud to admit it.

and would have supported him if K2 was picked...even though I can't stand the guy.

I disagree with those who say you cannot find starters in the 5 thru 7 rounds: What about:

1981 Charlie Brown 8
Dexter Manley 5
1983 Kelvin Bryant 7 (I know, special case)
1986 Mark Rypien 6
1987 Ed Simmons 6 (Let's see, a big O lineman in the 6th?)
1988 Stan Humphries 6
1990 Brian Mitchell 5
1993 Frank Wycheck 6
1994 Gus Ferrotte 7

And this is just mostly in the Gibbs era or a little after.

But, what I was pointing out was that there is no one in the 5th/6th round that can start immediately.

I don't think any of those guys stated above started immediately. (B. Mitchell, but that was special teams.)

At any rate, you can find a bunch of 5th/6th rounders that are great players, but they blossomed after riding the bench for a while.

I argue that we could use an uprade at DE/DT to start immediately. But nobody in the late rounds would be able to do that. The best option is to go with what we have or hope to pick up a vet after 6/1.

Futhermore, if they are going to ride the bench, why not have them learn from the best. (Jansen,Samuels)

Agreed.

I also think there is much more behind those 2 tackle selections than maybe we know. Add to that all the predraft speculation about Samuels.

I want to tee this up for the first time on the forums: After spending months reviewing tape, I believe Gibbs and Buges are not as high on our offensive line as most of the participants in this web site are. We are calling our line great and deep, but it is all based on reputation.

I think one of three things is at work here: 1)there was something on tape they did not like or 2)they figure they can't afford Samuels and Jensen, or 3)both. I personally don't think Samuels and Jensen played well last year (or maybe even the prior year for that matter). The only question I have is: was it their fault or was it Spurrier's schemes that caused this to occur.

That is a thread we can discuss for months, once the K2 and Taylor feuds die down.

I expect Gibbs saw that the remaining D-linemen left were not worth picking and had no potential to make this team, but that the two O-line did. There would be no point picking a 5th/6th round DE just for the sake of it, and he probably sees something in the guys he took. Let's see how it pans out.