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Team can't win divisional games.

Team can't win games televised during prime time.

Team is usually still in contention for the post season with 2 or 3 games to go, but always loses the game they must win to get in.

Many, if not most of starting players are out due to injury.

Team loses to opponents they should easily beat.

This is the Skins every year, and it never changes. I don't understand why they never improve.

It all comes down to overall talent and coaching. Talent not only includes skill but IQ, mental toughness. The coaching is adequate but there is lack of accountability and discipline on the team.

Your first point of not being able to win division games. Well that simply comes down to the fact that their offensive line/defensive line is consistently better than ours talent-wise. Cowboys have beat us as well because usually they are error free and their qb have been able to make plays when needed.

Televised games - impact players show up during big games. We do not have enough impact players that want to be stars and the best at their craft. These type of guys will try to show it on national televised games.

This is coaching - games mean nothing until December and January. Jay haven't been great in these times, he's not hungry enough for playoffs and that trickles down to the team.

The Skins don't have the talent to easily beat anyone.

Pretty much. We're not exactly imposing at either the O-Line or the D-Line.

grampi wrote:Team can't win divisional games.

Team can't win games televised during prime time.

Team is usually still in contention for the post season with 2 or 3 games to go, but always loses the game they must win to get in.

Many, if not most of starting players are out due to injury.

Team loses to opponents they should easily beat.

This is the Skins every year, and it never changes. I don't understand why they never improve.

really? are you kidding me?

when Dan Snyder is in charge of selecting the ingredients and who the head chef is, the results will not be very good

the players we have are talented but there is no plan and the HC has little idea of what it takes - we have no future

until Snyder stops interfering

The Redskins have the longest streak of any franchise to not win 11 games in a season

we struggle to get 9 or 10 wins a season - this franchise is considered a joke by most NFL fans

we are NOT improving while Snyder continues to interfere

The Redskins have been bad as long as Dan Snyder has owned them. Look at the team year-by-year. We had a four year refresher on what a real Redskin team looked like...and, yes, I mean 2004 - 2007. Before and after, this team has been mediocre and down to the worst.

This franchise needs continuity and you cannot have that without having any stability

Dan Snyder's method of managing and owning a franchise is a nightmare - no player or coach would look at the Redskins as anything more than an opportunity for a job in the NFL and a means to go work somewhere else

I don't really care to comment on this stuff, but damn this article today on ESPN sure seems spot on.

Erosion of Redskins' fan base stems from years of disappointment
http://www.espn.com/blog/nfceast/post/_ ... ppointment

Under Allen, the Redskins have a 51-74-1 record. Now, last offseason, the Redskins were asking fans to trust him again as he rebuilt the front office. Perhaps the new structure works; it hasn't been in place for a full year. Perhaps it fails. But the fans are jaded after way too many years of being asked to trust a process that has yet to pay off. It's hard to blame them.

Redskins fans have been patient for a long time. Every time they're asked to believe, they're ultimately let down. Until the organization delivers in a much bigger way on those promises -- as in winning consistently -- the erosion will continue.

This bit too:

Kirk Cousins' contract

The Redskins have used the franchise tag the past two offseasons on their quarterback because they couldn't strike a long-term deal. In the first offseason, the organization wasn't ready to trust Cousins was for real and pay him accordingly. In the second, Cousins wasn't ready to believe in the franchise and was content playing under the tag.

The result: Two years of debate over what happened, who was at fault and how much is he really worth. It's led to intense nitpicking over every single pass. Was that a $30 million throw? Or a $20 million one? Or less?

It's exhausting and unhealthy, regardless of blame.

Couldn't agree more.

Ya'll are being to nice... our team is straight trash with a few diamonds in the ruff.
Heck, our organization is straight trash for that matter. Honestly, if the Browns didn't exist in the NFL, we'd be the sorriest team there is.

So on a positive note, thank you Browns!

even the Browns have had an 11 win season since the Redskins last won 11

the most important thing is the coaching and you must have a good QB to build around but the fact remains that under Dan Snyder we have an organization with no leadership - until Dan Snyder realizes how criticaly important it is to have a FO with a President and a GM that have the authority and the knowledge to build a successful franchise like so many other franchises in the NFL, we are not going to be any good

SkinsJock wrote:even the Browns have had an 11 win season since the Redskins last won 11

You really know how to make a guy feel better SJ

langleyparkjoe wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:even the Browns have had an 11 win season since the Redskins last won 11

You really know how to make a guy feel better SJ

sorry lpj - I'm just very frustrated - I always thought that Dan Snyder would learn from his many early mistakes - maybe the press beat him up so bad that he's just become more and more defiant - I'm sure his 'yes men' are all encouraging him that better times are just ahead

the worst thing for me was after he had brought in Shanahan and we were all led to believe that Mike and Bruce were in charge here
REPORTEDLY Snyder had hired Allen based on Shanahan wanting a GM he could count on and as a condition of his coming here - what a bunch of crap all of that turned out to be - I'm sure that Shanahan thought that he would be in charge and I don't know how it all became so horribly bad here but Bruce Allen must have had pictures or something because he screwed this franchise up terribly in a couple of years

we are going nowhere until Dan Snyder puts people in charge and let's them do their jobs without interference - we all know that Snyder will have the final say on who coaches and plays here but Snyder needs to follow the advice of his GM not the other way around like it is now
the first thing needed here is to get rid of Bruce Allen and bring in a new President who should then hire a GM who can hire a new HC

until Dan Snyder becomes an owner that let's this FO make all the decisions like the other NFL owners - we are going to continue to be a joke


unfortunately, I think Dan Snyder is going to continue trying to make things better here - that's who he is - he cannot accept that it's all his fault

Years and years of bad managerial decisions don't go unpunished.
You see some tints of light here and there, but the fundamental base is rotten. I get the feeling players don't want to be here for the same reason.

Maybe we should just accept that the franchise is mediocre. Excellency, by definition, is not permanent.

If only the Redskins could outsource ownership and management to Mara and Tisch. However, it seems that the team has asked premium season ticket holders how they feel about team management and this season.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/foo ... bba646183b

In survey, Redskins ask fans for their level of confidence in team’s executives

By Liz Clarke December 21 at 5:03 PM

The Washington Redskins’ front office generally declines to comment on the state of the team’s roster during the season. And Coach Jay Gruden conducts his self-evaluation and a review of the coaching staff at season’s end.

But that’s not stopping the Redskins from soliciting fans’ views — or, at least, the views of select season-ticket-holders — on its executives and on-field performance with two games remaining. They received an email from the Redskins in recent days accompanied by a survey gauging satisfaction with a range of issues, including the team’s executives and on-field performance. “Make your voice heard,” the survey said, with a deadline of this Friday, Dec. 22.

How satisfied are you with the direction the team is heading in (i.e. your long-term outlook, 2-3 years)?

Responses were solicited on a scale of 1 to 10, with 1 being “Not at all satisfied” and 10 being “Extremely satisfied.”

Thinking about the direction the team is heading, how satisfied are you with the following aspects:

- Confidence in team executives
- The team’s overall vision/strategy
- Team performance in 2017

(Responses were solicited on a scale of 1 to 10, with 1 being “Not at all satisfied” and 10 being “Extremely satisfied.”)

As compared to last season, how would you rate the …

- Communication from the team
- Direction the team is headed
- Sense that you are valued by the organization
- Customer service

Hmmm. I think I know how Hogs Net members, all true fans, would answer the questions.

I read all of the discontented posts by Redskins fans and wonder why the same history is repeated again and again. I have been a Redskins fan since 1945 and have seen the good, great and bad and the really bad (like now). I will continue to be a Redskins fan regardless of everything. In that period of time, only twice have the Redskins been great; Gibbs 1 and George Allen's tenure. Other than those times the Redskins have been listed as "other". The great times were when the Redskins had 2 things; a good coach and a good General Manager who could evaluate talent. Since Dan Synder took over, the selection of these two areas have been really bad. We had Vinnie and now Bruce. Both are yes men who spend their time kissing up to Snyder. Neither have been affective and have damaged the Redskins so badly that it will take years to correct the mess they have created. Cousin's will not repair that damage but could be a starting point. Don't get me wrong, I am not a Cousins fan but he is the best that is available for now. He is a good quarterback, far better that anyone else that is available. He has a tendency to throw that game changing interception. I don't expect overnight improvement but I am tired of the overnight failures.

They must be insane to send that survey to season ticket holders. Not a Bruce Allen fan now? Imagine how the people who forked over a couple grand for season tix must feel about him.

Its always been the case that Snyder could get away with this shoddy front office, because 1) fans have remained so loyal and 2) he could still fire them up once in a while with an exciting hire or draft pick or whatever. Does anyone else feel like things have changed in that regard? Like enough people have grown tired of the bs and its hitting him where it hurts in the pocketbook? Or maybe the current state of the team is hurting his leverage on a new stadium?

Mood around here feels different right now. Maybe he'll have no choice but to finally fix that front office.

Things are simpler for me, I believe any of our players could go to any other team and play successfully, neither Dan Snyder nor George Allen tells that player what and how to play. The only people that tell that player how to play is the coach. Therefor, I cannot blame the player or upper management.
Its the coaching, the head coach on down.

oj wrote:Things are simpler for me, I believe any of our players could go to any other team and play successfully, neither Dan Snyder nor George Allen tells that player what and how to play. The only people that tell that player how to play is the coach. Therefor, I cannot blame the player or upper management. Its the coaching, the head coach on down.

George Allen
sorry oj, I think you're missing the point - this franchise is dysfunctional with Dan Snyder as owner/manager of the FO - we've had a couple of really good HCs (Marty and Mike) and a lot of really good players PLUS Kirk Cousins - we don't have an owner that allows the FO to operate & manage like other franchises do - the results are evident and the franchise is looked at as a joke because of this

I agree that we'd be a lot better off without Jay Gruden but the real problem with this franchise is that the decisions on who coaches and plays here are primarily made by Dan Snyder & Bruce Allen - THIS needs to change, BIG TIME - Dan Snyder has tried to put a positive spin on all of his stupid decisions and the fans and the media are not going to be fooled anymore
this franchise needs to fire Bruce Allen and try to bring in the best personnel in the NFL + let them make all of the decisions on who works here

NO really good HC is going to want to work for this franchise given what has happened and I don't think anyone with any sense has much faith in Dan Snyder finding a future, really good HC - he doesn't have a clue about that stuff


I really do think that things can be turned around in a short time as long as Dan Snyder stops managing this franchise

The Nationals, Capitals, and Wizards are well-run organizations. Each season, Snyder seems to spit on employees, coaches, players, and us. It started when he "cleaned house" as soon as he bought the team. He hasn't changed. There's no reason to hope that he will change.

Shanahan was not a good hire. He was another one of Snyders splash hiring an over the hill player only this time it was the HC. Shanahan was fired in Denver because he was failing and couldn't' put together a competitive team. The Bronco's, in Shanahan's last couple years, were just like the Redskins under him. Mediocre.

I get the point, I see it different.
A real, honest to god, head coach would have told upper management to piss off and sell some tee shirts, to stay off the ground floor and don't speak football unless spoken to. Upper management needs to be put in their place - maybe Gruden has done that or maybe he hasn't. Either way the outcome is the same, it is the responsibiity of the head coach to win football games. If he lost games thru bad coaching or interferance from upper management makes no difference to us at all.
I am in business and a professional, when you contract me to make something for you I can tell you that I move haven and earth to accomplish the task you have given me, if you gte in my way I'll run right over the top of you. I expect no less from any other professional.

are you serious - as important as a good HC is there is no way that Dan Snyder is getting a good HC to work here with the current 'system'

as riggofan has pointed out - we are lucky to have as good a HC as we do - no good HC is going to want to work for this idiot