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Here is a comparison of regular season stats. I chose the 2016 New England Patriots since they are the current champs. It's good to see how far or close we are in terms of production.

I also included the 2016 Green Bay Packers since I feel they are a similar talent level. Good offense and bad defense.
The 2016 Dallas Cowboys since that's are main rival.

The 2013 Seattle Seahawks and 2015 Denver Broncos as both teams eventually won the SuperBowl.

The 2016 Browns as the low.

These are the regular season stats.

2016 Washington Redskins 8-7-1, 3rd in Division



2016 Green Bay Packers 10-6, NFC Championship runner up


2016 New England Patriots SuperBowl winner 14-2


2016 Dallas Cowboys 13-3, 1st overall seed lost in 2nd rd



2013 Seattle Seahawks 13-3,SuperBowl winner


2015 Denver Broncos 9-7,SuperBowl winner



2016 Cleveland Browns 1-15 last in the NFL


The stats confirm what most of us fans already knew. The defense was bad. We gave up 45 TDS while scoring 43 for the season. Gained 6400 yards on offense defense surrendered 6000 yards total. One positive on defense was they managed to sack opponents 38 times on the year. Run defense must be fixed. Skins gave up 1900 yds a rushing. That's with Baker.
So no I'm not sad to see Baker go. He wasn't solely to blame but he wasn't part of a solution.
Defense needs to be addressed in the draft no doubt.

Some impressive stats are yardage total. Also Kirk was only sacked 23 times all year. An indication of quick reads by Kirk and solid Oline play. That's really impressive when you consider Kirk attempted a pass 607 times last year. Completing 407 of those attempts. TD totals could be better and should improve with our new additions in Pryor and Quick.

Some stats less obvious . The pass to run ratio.
Out of 986 total plays. We ran it 379 times for 1679 yards at a 4.5 yd per carry avg. 17 tds..
The New England Patriots had a total of 1032 overall plays
ran it 482 times for 1872 yds an avg of 3.9 per for 19 tds.

We averaged more per carry with 100 less carries and have near the same yardage and Tds.

If the world champs with the greatest Qb of all times team is committing to the run game.
There's no excuse for our team. Especially when we average 4.5 per carry. It works do it more often.

The most obvious and indicative stats for a playoff team. Will be the TD ratio. No kidding huh..
I think the magic number for us will 53 team Tds.
Kirk and the recievers produced 26 Tds. Running game 17.
Can we squeeze out 7 more? I think 10 more is feasible. 5 more from the rush and 5 from the pass.

Defense gave up 45 TDS last year. That numbers got to go down.Is holding opponents to 35 Tds too much to ask a defense to improve in one year? We will just have to see.
Can't wait for the draft.

stats, performance on the field and a better W/L ratio will improve with better leadership in the FO and a better HC

SkinsJock wrote:stats, performance on the field and a better W/L ratio will improve with better leadership in the FO and a better HC

None of this matters. We lost Scot McCloughan.

riggofan wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:stats, performance on the field and a better W/L ratio will improve with better leadership in the FO and a better HC

None of this matters. We lost Scot McCloughan.

There's only one statistic that matters. It's the one that says "W-L" under the heading "Playoffs"

The rest of it is Dan Marino, nice to look at but ultimately empty and hollow.

Appreciate you providing those numbers. Interesting to see when comparing teams. I think the formula for success has been laid out in front of fans for years but to the average fan they would rather equate large numbers to wins but it don't work like that.

This what works. Good coaching staff, strong Defense, ability to run the football, win turnover battle & solid qb with icewater in his veins (in no order). If you have that formula you win Super Bowls.

Patriots have all and that is why they are consistently in it.

Our organization were doing everything backwards. 70% of the resources were put to the offense in 2016, an offense that is already encouraged and inclined to have an upperhand to produce by league rules. There should have been more of a balance in resources as everyone know to defense.

For some odd reason they continue to devalue the safety position in getting retreads, mis-evaluate the defensive line talent, slightly undervalue the offensive line, and now are stubborn in paying the qb position. You cannot realistically do all of that and win. You can get away with the safety position for sure but not putting an emphasis on getting a NT is terrible!

mastdark81 wrote:Our organization were doing everything backwards. 70% of the resources were put to the offense in 2016, an offense that is already encouraged and inclined to have an upperhand to produce by league rules. There should have been more of a balance in resources as everyone know to defense.

For some odd reason they continue to devalue the safety position in getting retreads, mis-evaluate the defensive line talent, slightly undervalue the offensive line, and now are stubborn in paying the qb position. You cannot realistically do all of that and win. You can get away with the safety position for sure but not putting an emphasis on getting a NT is terrible!

I understand your concerns in regards to the front office.

I provided these stats so fans can get a real understanding of where this team is.

The team finished 8-7-1. Which means middle of the pack. Far from worst. Far from best.

After comparing stats between us and the Pats. The numbers match up pretty well. The main difference between us and the Pats other then wins was turnover ratio. We were even while the Pats were well above 0.

Obviously defense was a huge factor.

What I'm trying to say is progress. As a team all we need is to take a few steps forward to be a playoff team.

Right now we if our offense becomes proficient in the redzone. Then maybe we take a step to being similar to a Peyton Manning Colts team. Which had great offense and bad defense. As the numbers indicated we were near the top on offense. The Colts with Manning is a good comparison.

But if we want to be more like a New England many more steps are needed.

This team has drafted safties in the top five in the draft twice on Taylor and Landry. During Scotts time I can't recall a saftey prospect worthy of a top 5 who we were in position to take. Also this year's free agents the top saftey was Eric Berry who was franchised and now has a LTD.

We also just signed Swearinger. He may not be Ed Reed,Sean Taylor or Troy. But he definitely helps.

It's not all doom and gloom. We have the draft upon us.
Let's see what happens.

The team finished 8-7-1. Which means middle of the pack. Far from worst. Far from best.

That about sums it up. Practically every winning team you mentioned has had a stout defense and a consistent rushing attack.

Both of those were highly inconsistent with the team during the past season.

Maybe they'll get it together, but I don't see how that will happen with basically the same personnel.

El Mexican wrote:

The team finished 8-7-1. Which means middle of the pack. Far from worst. Far from best.

That about sums it up. Practically every winning team you mentioned has had a stout defense and a consistent rushing attack.

Both of those were highly inconsistent with the team during the past season.

Maybe they'll get it together, but I don't see how that will happen with basically the same personnel.

last season's not as important as the one before ... don't ask why, just accept it PLUS you need to try the new elixir

Dan & Bruce have fired the guy that was holding us back, we're going to be a lot better now

these guys are going to show everyone how wrong they are

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:

riggofan wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:stats, performance on the field and a better W/L ratio will improve with better leadership in the FO and a better HC

None of this matters. We lost Scot McCloughan.

There's only one statistic that matters. It's the one that says "W-L" under the heading "Playoffs"

The rest of it is Dan Marino, nice to look at but ultimately empty and hollow.

Playoffs? Playoffs? Are you taking the piss mate? The Redskins have only made the post season 5 times the last 17 years and 3 of those times it took a miracle run to make it. And on top of that they couldn't pull of a single win. And not once did they ever make consecutive apperances. The guy who played a big factor in almost pulling it off get jettisoned and now Was is back to square one.

The Skins may do ok this upcoming season because of the foundation McCloughan laid but the more and more we see of Snyder and Allen's fingerprints we see the worse and worse the team will regress.

I agree that the Win/Loss stat is the only stat that really counts but another stat that is somewhat important (in that it pertains to the chance that this franchise can play in the playoffs) is the number of playoff appearances under Dan Snyder when he has had a decent roster

so far Dan Snyder has been horrible when it comes to assembling a team that has made the playoffs

great team stats without playoff appearances are really meaningless