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I just got an email Bruce Allen made it official. We officially have lost a true GM, our QB is on the way out, no true number one WR and we have signed a safety that doesn't mean much and two defensive line scrubs. Wow we suck again. These past two years taught Snyder nothing. We are back to beyond bad. Gruden will be fired for going 2-14. That's my bold prediction.Burgundy&Wha? wrote:7:25PM 3-9-17 -- The scroll on NFL Network says Scot McCloughan has been fired by our Skins.
By the way, raise your hand if you'd like to jack Michael Silver in the jaw.
Unfortunately, I fear the former is most likely. Comments Scot made when hired suggested that relapse was a strong possibility. He had made a statement that he didn't need help with his sobriety (words to that effect)... my thought at that time was a single prohibited word. As much as I want to blame Snyder, I think it's premature.welch wrote:It's official:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/r ... 75916f9f71
Redskins' "person with knowledge" says that Scot M has been drinking. Claim that he was drunk several times in the locker room. Others say that Bruce Allen is jealous.
Who knows? Does it matter? We've seen how Snyder runs the team. It's ugly and haphazard. Not the way Leonsis and the Lerner family operate their teams. I can't drop the Redskins -- have been a fan since about 1953 -- but I won't hope for much.
I could care less - Scot drinking had more of a clue about how to manage a franchise than these 2 jealous bozosMike Jones ✔@MikeJonesWaPo
I was told late in the season of jealousy by someone from up top and how they'd one day use McCloughan's drinking as an excuse to can him. Exactly what happened
I couldn't give one rat's ass if Scot McCloughan drinks. He's the only legitimate football person they've had in a football operations position in the last 18 years.Countertrey wrote:Unfortunately, I fear the former is most likely. Comments Scot made when hired suggested that relapse was a strong possibility. He had made a statement that he didn't need help with his sobriety (words to that effect)... my thought at that time was a single prohibited word. As much as I want to blame Snyder, I think it's premature.welch wrote:It's official:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/r ... 75916f9f71
Redskins' "person with knowledge" says that Scot M has been drinking. Claim that he was drunk several times in the locker room. Others say that Bruce Allen is jealous.
Who knows? Does it matter? We've seen how Snyder runs the team. It's ugly and haphazard. Not the way Leonsis and the Lerner family operate their teams. I can't drop the Redskins -- have been a fan since about 1953 -- but I won't hope for much.
this is as stupid a response as I have ever seen. I doubt they give a rat's ass if he drinks, either... showing up drunk... or not showing up because drunk... different matter.Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:I couldn't give one rat's ass if Scot McCloughan drinks. He's the only legitimate football person they've had in a football operations position in the last 18 years.Countertrey wrote:Unfortunately, I fear the former is most likely. Comments Scot made when hired suggested that relapse was a strong possibility. He had made a statement that he didn't need help with his sobriety (words to that effect)... my thought at that time was a single prohibited word. As much as I want to blame Snyder, I think it's premature.welch wrote:It's official:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/r ... 75916f9f71
Redskins' "person with knowledge" says that Scot M has been drinking. Claim that he was drunk several times in the locker room. Others say that Bruce Allen is jealous.
Who knows? Does it matter? We've seen how Snyder runs the team. It's ugly and haphazard. Not the way Leonsis and the Lerner family operate their teams. I can't drop the Redskins -- have been a fan since about 1953 -- but I won't hope for much.
That's Dan Snyder's fault.
this is as stupid a response as I have ever seen. I doubt they give a rat's ass if he drinks, either... showing up drunk... or not showing up because drunk... different matter.[/quote]Countertrey wrote:I couldn't give one rat's ass if Scot McCloughan drinks. He's the only legitimate football person they've had in a football operations position in the last 18 years.Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:Unfortunately, I fear the former is most likely. Comments Scot made when hired suggested that relapse was a strong possibility. He had made a statement that he didn't need help with his sobriety (words to that effect)... my thought at that time was a single prohibited word. As much as I want to blame Snyder, I think it's premature.Countertrey wrote: https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/r ... 75916f9f71
Redskins' "person with knowledge" says that Scot M has been drinking. Claim that he was drunk several times in the locker room. Others say that Bruce Allen is jealous.
Who knows? Does it matter? We've seen how Snyder runs the team. It's ugly and haphazard. Not the way Leonsis and the Lerner family operate their teams. I can't drop the Redskins -- have been a fan since about 1953 -- but I won't hope for much.
That's Dan Snyder's fault.
Did you not understand it? Before McCloughan, Charley Casserly was the last real GM the Redskins had. That's Dan Snyder's fault. Why is that a stupid response?Countertrey wrote:this is as stupid a response as I have ever seen. I doubt they give a rat's ass if he drinks, either... showing up drunk... or not showing up because drunk... different matter.
I respect your opinion but I feel your post is the exact reason why Snyder and Allen run this team the way it does with no regard for fans. The fact is Scott never stopped drinking and that is public knowledge. Did you not hear what a coach that left with McVay said about Bruce Allen? He brushes his teeth with Coors Light! Doesn't that tell you something? Or are you the type of person that always believes what you believe regardless of what others have seen for themselves? Let's also admit, a drunk Scott knows more about football players evaluation that Bruce and Daniel put together.DEHog wrote:So we are to believe that the drinking has gone on during his entire tenure here? Not once did we hear about it, so the Skins enabled his drinking? I’m quite sure Scot had a moral clause in his contract about drinking; you’re not going to give millions to a guy with a known drinking problem without protecting your business. If that’s the case what changed this time….sorry but I struggle to believe this, the Skins are doing everything possible to resign Cousins, hard for me to not believe Scot is a casualty of that!
No I’m the type of person that believes when someone needs help you help them! You don’t use them and then wait until it’s convenient to use it as an excuse. At the first sign his drinking was a problem they should have put him in rehab, the second time you let him go. Easy to talk about it now, but where was the talk while it was happening, the Skins PR machine is average at best, but they kept this under wraps the whole time...when was this public knowledge?DaSkinz Baby wrote:I respect your opinion but I feel your post is the exact reason why Snyder and Allen run this team the way it does with no regard for fans. The fact is Scott never stopped drinking and that is public knowledge. Did you not hear what a coach that left with McVay said about Bruce Allen? He brushes his teeth with Coors Light! Doesn't that tell you something? Or are you the type of person that always believes what you believe regardless of what others have seen for themselves? Let's also admit, a drunk Scott knows more about football players evaluation that Bruce and Daniel put together.DEHog wrote:So we are to believe that the drinking has gone on during his entire tenure here? Not once did we hear about it, so the Skins enabled his drinking? I’m quite sure Scot had a moral clause in his contract about drinking; you’re not going to give millions to a guy with a known drinking problem without protecting your business. If that’s the case what changed this time….sorry but I struggle to believe this, the Skins are doing everything possible to resign Cousins, hard for me to not believe Scot is a casualty of that!
Pretty much yes. It was public knowledge that Scott never stopped drinking and he admitted to that in The ESPN Magazine article. With respect to to offering help, people have to want help to get help, Scott feels as though he has a handle on it. Now did the public know he was at the games drunk? I doubt it but I know I pretty much am drunk at the game(s) All I know is that alcohol seems to flow rampant at Redskins Park and even a player has come out and said that Scott and Bruce are drunk there all the time, they are functioning alcoholics. The Redskins PR department sucks and let's be honest the handwriting was on the wall, Scott wasn't allowed to speak to the media, then wasn't at the combine. Meanwhile because the reporters are seeing things to do the old bait and switch what does Bruce Allen do, he speaks to the media (something he doesn't do nor does his like to do) speaking about how Kirk Cousins will sign a long term deal, but yet Kirk has bypassed Allen and went to Snyder asking for a trade. Then Bruce extends Jay Gruden and puts out a rumor about the Redskins signing Tony Romo. Sorry this is nothing but dysfunction. Bruce Allen is living off his fathers' merits and Snyder is dumb enough to fall for it hook line and sinker. We are again a laughing stock and Scott isn't the problem. Heckle and Jeckle are.DEHog wrote:No I’m the type of person that believes when someone needs help you help them! You don’t use them and then wait until it’s convenient to use it as an excuse. At the first sign his drinking was a problem they should have put him in rehab, the second time you let him go. Easy to talk about it now, but where was the talk while it was happening, the Skins PR machine is average at best, but they kept this under wraps the whole time...when was this public knowledge?DaSkinz Baby wrote:I respect your opinion but I feel your post is the exact reason why Snyder and Allen run this team the way it does with no regard for fans. The fact is Scott never stopped drinking and that is public knowledge. Did you not hear what a coach that left with McVay said about Bruce Allen? He brushes his teeth with Coors Light! Doesn't that tell you something? Or are you the type of person that always believes what you believe regardless of what others have seen for themselves? Let's also admit, a drunk Scott knows more about football players evaluation that Bruce and Daniel put together.DEHog wrote:So we are to believe that the drinking has gone on during his entire tenure here? Not once did we hear about it, so the Skins enabled his drinking? I’m quite sure Scot had a moral clause in his contract about drinking; you’re not going to give millions to a guy with a known drinking problem without protecting your business. If that’s the case what changed this time….sorry but I struggle to believe this, the Skins are doing everything possible to resign Cousins, hard for me to not believe Scot is a casualty of that!
The alcohol is just the PR spin. As you know Snyder has a habit of making everyone he fires the bad guy. Bruce Allen does just as much drinking as Scott. The issue is Scott would tell Bruce to off and held his ground. Bruce didn't like that. Snyder being the sniveling clown he is sided with Allen because of his father.oj wrote:If alcohol abuse is the real reason SM is fired then that is what Synder/Allen should have done, they did the right thing but chose the wrong time to do it. What the spin doctors would call 'bad optics'. If they had acted with authority and shown leadership there wouldn't be a media crises.
There was a problem, disiplanary actions have been taken, we are in the market for a new GM and qualified resumes are being accepted.
Pretty much my feeling. So hopeless and unhappy that I can't even joke about having taken CT's chocolate milk money.Irn-Bru wrote:I'm done with the team.
No, I'll still be watching and cheering this fall. But I have given up any hope of the team succeeding in the foreseeable future. Not until there is change starting at the top. Snyder wasted the best chance we had to get better in McCloughan. Total disaster and tragedy.
I'll be watching in the fall, but I'm not going to follow the team like I have in the past. I can't; they've taken away every reason I had to care aside from the fact that they are still the Redskins.