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hitmandm wrote:KC is a pick throwing loser who wilts under pressure and never seems to deliver. But hey, some of you like him and think differently. So be it. But what to do? Here is the only smart thing to do.

Franchise KC and draft a QB high. KC's performance is not worthy of 100m, or even 50m. The only reason people are saying he is going to get a big contract is because we have no other options. Well KC had a golden opportunity to prove himself and he embarrassed himself, his team and its fans yesterday with an epic chokefest that will be talked about for years. But he has leverage. If we had drafted Dak Prescott or another QB last year, we would not be in this predicament of overpaying for a loser choke artist of a QB who really isn't that young. Time to create leverage for the Redskins.

So franchise Captain Pick, but draft a developmental QB in rd 1 or 2. If Captain Pick can actually deliver next year then fine. We will have a valuable backup that we can trade and recoup our investment. More likely, KC chokes, wilts and throws picks on the way to embarrassing the Redskins again. However, we will have options and will have a young tenured backup that can step in and give us hope and we are not forced to pay this underperforming stiff some crazy contract.

DEHog wrote: Again with the Dak Prescott...do you really think he would have been that good with us? He is in the perfect spot for a rookie QB, great online with a great running game.

StorminMormon86 wrote:I want them to let "Captain Pick" go sign with Denver, so the OP could flood Broncos message boards every time Kirk throws an INT.

hitmandm wrote:How can you miss the point of the original post then argue something I did not say regarding Dak Prescott? The point is that the reason a choking loser like Cousins will rip us off is because we do not have leverage. How do you get leverage, you give yourself options. Of couse Dak would not have been as good here- we have an idiot coach who cant manage a clock or get his team ready for a playoff focused game. But as an example of a young QB we can groom, he, or another young QB could be groomed to replace KC if he wants to hold us over a barrel.

Captain Pick, the jittery choke machine that can hardly beat any team with a winning record or win a high pressure game, wants a huge contract because he knows we do not have options. And he is going all smug and bragging in the media arrogantly that he will not give us a hometeam discount. Even his stupid fat coach says Captain Pick should have goodwill towards the Redskins.

We should franchise him and trade him. We could absolutely fleece Denver or the Texans for a boatload of draft picks.

But if not, he has not earned a big contract. He is playing a supply/demand game and how you lower the Price is by increasing supply. Hence we should at a minimum Tag the Choker, draft a QB high and see if the rapidly approaching 30 year old QB pick machine can actually deliver next year. Most likely he wont, but we will at least have a top level QB that can replace him so he doesn't hold us hostage. So draft a replacement QB rd 1 or 2 and start building options so we can have leverage.

How can you miss the point of the original post then argue something I did not say regarding Dak Prescott? The point is that the reason a choking loser like Cousins will rip us off is because we do not have leverage. How do you get leverage, you give yourself options. Of couse Dak would not have been as good here- we have an idiot coach who cant manage a clock or get his team ready for a playoff focused game. But as an example of a young QB we can groom, he, or another young QB could be groomed to replace KC if he wants to hold us over a barrel.

Captain Pick, the jittery choke machine that can hardly beat any team with a winning record or win a high pressure game, wants a huge contract because he knows we do not have options. And he is going all smug and bragging in the media arrogantly that he will not give us a hometeam discount. Even his stupid fat coach says Captain Pick should have goodwill towards the Redskins.

We should franchise him and trade him. We could absolutely fleece Denver or the Texans for a boatload of draft picks.

But if not, he has not earned a big contract. He is playing a supply/demand game and how you lower the Price is by increasing supply. Hence we should at a minimum Tag the Choker, draft a QB high and see if the rapidly approaching 30 year old QB pick machine can actually deliver next year. Most likely he wont, but we will at least have a top level QB that can replace him so he doesn't hold us hostage. So draft a replacement QB rd 1 or 2 and start building options so we can have leverage.

hitmandm wrote:and while my RG3 call didn't work out, I still contend that RG3 is a better talent

hitmandm wrote:KC is a pick throwing loser who wilts under pressure and never seems to deliver. But hey, some of you like him and think differently. So be it. But what to do? Here is the only smart thing to do.

Franchise KC and draft a QB high. KC's performance is not worthy of 100m, or even 50m. The only reason people are saying he is going to get a big contract is because we have no other options. Well KC had a golden opportunity to prove himself and he embarrassed himself, his team and its fans yesterday with an epic chokefest that will be talked about for years. But he has leverage. If we had drafted Dak Prescott or another QB last year, we would not be in this predicament of overpaying for a loser choke artist of a QB who really isn't that young. Time to create leverage for the Redskins.

So franchise Captain Pick, but draft a developmental QB in rd 1 or 2. If Captain Pick can actually deliver next year then fine. We will have a valuable backup that we can trade and recoup our investment. More likely, KC chokes, wilts and throws picks on the way to embarrassing the Redskins again. However, we will have options and will have a young tenured backup that can step in and give us hope and we are not forced to pay this underperforming stiff some crazy contract.

El Mexican wrote:I agree with most of what was said.

Right now, KC holds the winning cards in his hand. There is nothing we can do to counter them.

Problem is, we entered that situation by our own volition. Colt is hardly backup material.

There is no one else to substitute for KC even in the event he gets injured. Or in this case, wants to test the free market.

So yeah, either we pay him or look like chumps.

The smart thing to do would be what any seller does: sell when people show interest in your product.

Franchise him, and make Denver pay a high price for him.

That way we could stockpile picks in the draft and "buy by volume", you know, since the draft is basically a lottery.

This team has huge gaps of talent on both lines. That should be our #1 priority or it won't matter which QB plays for us.

StorminMormon86 wrote:

hitmandm wrote:and while my RG3 call didn't work out, I still contend that RG3 is a better talent

This is the only reason you hate Cousins. You cannot be objective at all. You are pissed off because he beat out, and is a far superior talent to Griffin. That's it. You can't even make a post without either: calling names, or bringing up Griffin.

markshark84 wrote:

hitmandm wrote:KC is a pick throwing loser who wilts under pressure and never seems to deliver. But hey, some of you like him and think differently. So be it. But what to do? Here is the only smart thing to do.

Franchise KC and draft a QB high. KC's performance is not worthy of 100m, or even 50m. The only reason people are saying he is going to get a big contract is because we have no other options. Well KC had a golden opportunity to prove himself and he embarrassed himself, his team and its fans yesterday with an epic chokefest that will be talked about for years. But he has leverage. If we had drafted Dak Prescott or another QB last year, we would not be in this predicament of overpaying for a loser choke artist of a QB who really isn't that young. Time to create leverage for the Redskins.

So franchise Captain Pick, but draft a developmental QB in rd 1 or 2. If Captain Pick can actually deliver next year then fine. We will have a valuable backup that we can trade and recoup our investment. More likely, KC chokes, wilts and throws picks on the way to embarrassing the Redskins again. However, we will have options and will have a young tenured backup that can step in and give us hope and we are not forced to pay this underperforming stiff some crazy contract.

If anyone wants to know how to run a franchise into the ground, please see above.....

So based on this suggestion, let's franchise Cousins and tie down 24+M in cap space.... THEN draft a HIGH pick at QB, occupying EVEN MORE CAP SPACE (potentially 5M) within the same position and under the rookie deals, force us to be tied down to that QB for at least 4 years..... That doesn't include McCoy's guaranteed contract..... So yeah, 30M+ allocated to the cap at one position sounds smart.....

Cousins has shown that he is a top 10 QB over the past 2 seasons. He has lead us to our first back-to-back winning seasons in 2 decades --- while having a bottom 5 DEF to support him. If the NYG game showed us ANYTHING, it was that our running game is lacking (something I have been saying, but not able to really put a finger on why) and that our OL isn't as good as their stats appear to show (again something I have been saying but couldn't put a finger on why). If there is one thing everyone can agree on, it is that Cousins gets the ball out fast. If he gets sacked 4 times in a game, that's on the OL --- especially when it is under 3 seconds from snap. He was also under CONSTANT pressure, which prevented downfield passing the ability to develop.

The one thing that the NYG game did, however, was provide some leverage for our front office. Now is a good time to sign Cousins to a long term deal worth 5 years, $90M, with 50% guaranteed. I am hopeful that due to the circumstances, Scot could get that done. Sunday may have cost Cousins up to $20M, but we'll see; that is just me being optimistic. hitmandm seems to be the only remaining poster vocally butthurt that RGIII --- who even CLE appears to be moving on from --- didn't work out.

I know that hitmandm is basically a Cousins troll who only comes out when he has a bad game, but this is beyond ridiculous --- even for a troll. Without Cousins, this team would have won 4-5 games at best. And yes, I do agree with hitmandm --- if we picked Dak.... and Elliott..... and their all-pro OL.... and had Witten and Dez..... and had a team-first pro-bowl vet QB helping Dak..... and an easier schedule --- we would have been 13-3 too.... Then again, I believe you put Cousins on DAL, they go better than 13-3 ---- especially considering the fact that against WAS-DAL common opponents DAL went 9-3 and we went 8-3-1.....and DAL has a WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY better team outside of the QB position......

SkinsJock wrote:I would be surprised if this FO let's Cousins go - that does not seem like the best plan for this franchise

Cousins FMV did not go 'down' because of the last game - his FMV is based on who else is available PLUS how good a QB he will be

Kirk Cousins is V fortunate that there's no real 'competition' out there but he's also CLEARLY not proven that he's going to be an elite QB

we have him and he will get a good deal and we'll eventually bring someone else in that will hopefully be better



we're not letting players go that can help this franchise and we're going to continue to add the best players available because you do not build teams the old fashioned way - "we should add a RB or we need a better DL ..." (like we used to do under Snyder and Cerrato)

HEROHAMO wrote:Draft a Qb in the first round? That would be incredibly stupid.

Kirk may not be Peyton Manning or Brady yet (maybe). But the last thing we need is to groom another rookie qb.
Furthermore there isn't a Qb coming out of college this year that I would start over Cousins. Sam Darnald looks good but he is a freshman.

I do agree tag him. Or incentive based salary based on wins.

El Mexican wrote:I agree with most of what was said.

Right now, KC holds the winning cards in his hand. There is nothing we can do to counter them.

Problem is, we entered that situation by our own volition. Colt is hardly backup material.

There is no one else to substitute for KC even in the event he gets injured. Or in this case, wants to test the free market.

So yeah, either we pay him or look like chumps.

The smart thing to do would be what any seller does: sell when people show interest in your product.

Franchise him, and make Denver pay a high price for him.

That way we could stockpile picks in the draft and "buy by volume", you know, since the draft is basically a lottery.

This team has huge gaps of talent on both lines. That should be our #1 priority or it won't matter which QB plays for us.