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Ah...what a change when Lombardi signed. Sonny reported with no beer-gut...maybe for the first time since he was the backup for the Eagles. Lombardi: "As good as Bart Starr has been, I don't think we'd have ever lost a game if the Packers had had Sonny". Otto Graham thought rushing was boring and defense even worse. Lombardi demanded an OL and a running game, and spotted Larry Brown, the all-time best Redskin RB + blocker + receiver out of the backfield. Lombardi insisted on having a defense.

Only one year, but what a year that was! And Ted Williams managed the Senators: one of the few times that both teams had a winning record.

As awesome as it was to take a stroll down history and experience the year I had only read about, was pretty sweet....

I couldn't help but to feel kind of down afterwards though... like damn, when will WE have another coach who elevates the players to that degree? Someone who holds the players accountable, and in turn the players hold each other accountable... say what you will about Billicheat, he's probably the only coach who can hold a flame to Lombardi- and man our coach couldn't even hold his coattails!!

Crazy George (Allen) was pretty good, and Joe Gibbs was among the best of all time. Each had a different style. Sometimes I wondered if "Old George" had forgotten to take a medication he was supposed to take...say, when he insisted on running Larry Brown left, Larry Brown right, and then having Billy Kilmer throw a screen pass to Larry Brown. (That's almost for real).

Gibbs always seemed calm, even though he must have been boiling underneath whenever the game was close in the last minute.

Different styles. Gibbs, like Lombardi, and like Allen, practiced until perfection. Example: in 1991 season, the Buffalo Bills astonished the NFL with their hurry-up offense. No huddles. Redskins began Super Bowl that year in a normal way, drove down-field, missed a TD (best I remember) when a DB pushed Art Monk out of the back of the endzone after Monk had leaped to make a catch. Officials missed it. So...Redskins switched to the famous Buffalo Hurry-up offense. Just like that. Gibbs said, later, "This OL is so experienced, so good, that they learned this offense in a few days". Incidentally, the Redskins' defense, Petibon's defense, had practiced against the Redskins' no-huddle so they were ready.

Nope. Coach Gruden could not "even hold the coattails" of any of those three. Penalties and turn-overs. I think George Allen's entire game plan was to get a turnover and kick a field goal. The Gibbs Redskins seemed never (almost) to commit penalties. Maybe Joe Gibbs could coach Coach Gruden?

welch wrote:Crazy George (Allen) was pretty good, and Joe Gibbs was among the best of all time. Each had a different style. Sometimes I wondered if "Old George" had forgotten to take a medication he was supposed to take...say, when he insisted on running Larry Brown left, Larry Brown right, and then having Billy Kilmer throw a screen pass to Larry Brown. (That's almost for real).

Gibbs always seemed calm, even though he must have been boiling underneath whenever the game was close in the last minute.

Different styles. Gibbs, like Lombardi, and like Allen, practiced until perfection. Example: in 1991 season, the Buffalo Bills astonished the NFL with their hurry-up offense. No huddles. Redskins began Super Bowl that year in a normal way, drove down-field, missed a TD (best I remember) when a DB pushed Art Monk out of the back of the endzone after Monk had leaped to make a catch. Officials missed it. So...Redskins switched to the famous Buffalo Hurry-up offense. Just like that. Gibbs said, later, "This OL is so experienced, so good, that they learned this offense in a few days". Incidentally, the Redskins' defense, Petibon's defense, had practiced against the Redskins' no-huddle so they were ready.

Nope. Coach Gruden could not "even hold the coattails" of any of those three. Penalties and turn-overs. I think George Allen's entire game plan was to get a turnover and kick a field goal. The Gibbs Redskins seemed never (almost) to commit penalties. Maybe Joe Gibbs could coach Coach Gruden?

My bad, poor choice of words there Welch... I should've said "after Gibbs" OR "since Gibbs 2.0".

We were lucky to have that magical Lombardi year... however, the best Redskins coach of all time, isn't even a question. Only head coach to win a SB with THREE different QBs, and that will likely never be matched.

My sentiments were more directed at the modern day Redskins, and lack thereof of a coach like Gibbs or Lombardi. I didn't mean to put Lombardi in a league of his own as far as Redskins coaches... Gibbs and Allen definitely were in that club too!

And it's been bingo callers, last encores, arena football leaguers, and the wrong Gruden ever since!


Seeing how Lombardi changed the culture here in ONE off-season... ONE season.... it's just sad to see Gruden progress at such a snails pace in comparison. And further, watching a man struggle to gain the locker room.


I hope the team, or at least some of the guys (coaches not withholding), watched this episode of the timeline.. I hope it stirred something magical in some of these guys; the chance to make a new timeline... be a part of something special.... we have enough talent to make a statement THIS year, but I don't see the cohesive units needed to make a legitimate run at it all.

Time will tell