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Cousins Is The Best Redskin In Decades
Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2016 7:32 pm
by OldSchool
I'm 65 so I've been watching well over 50 years. I think Cousins is the best Redskin I've ever seen. It's tough to compare QBs of different eras and how to you compare the value of players playing different position from different eras? Clearly making a judgement is very subjective so I understand I might be alone here making this judgement but Kirk is the best Skin I ever saw and it's not even close.
Is Kirk as good and dominate at his position as Darryl Green was at CB? I don't know yet, maybe but a QB is worth a lot more than a CB and Cousins is easily the best QB I've ever seen put on a Redskin uniform including Sonny who never had to carry such a huge load on a severely unbalanced team like Cousins in 2015 and 2016.
Re: Cousins Is The Best Redskin In Decades
Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2016 7:38 pm
by tribeofjudah
Strong words............................
Re: Cousins Is The Best Redskin In Decades
Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2016 8:49 pm
by Prowl33
I would edit what you said to kirk is becoming arguably the best redskin in decades. I'm 32 and really didn't become a team follower until around 18 to 20.you could say he already as of now is arguably the best player the team has seen in my time watching, up there with santana and Portis who I thought were both handicapped by otherwise poor offenses, and probably at this stage a step below Sean Taylor.
If he gets that 5 or 6 year deal, and performs at this level all while getting better with some of the few things he has left to improve on... by the end of his contract dare I say you'll have very few redskins I'm team history you can argue against him... as by that time he will likely own every team qb record there is, and still have another 5-8 years in him to go
Re: Cousins Is The Best Redskin In Decades
Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2016 10:02 pm
by Deadskins
OldSchool wrote:Cousins is easily the best QB I've ever seen put on a Redskin uniform including Sonny who never had to carry such a huge load on a severely unbalanced team like Cousins in 2015 and 2016.
It's waaaaaaayyyyyy too early to be making this statement. But what the hell are you talking about with the highlighted portion? The imbalance is totally in Cousins' favor. He's got solid blocking, a fair running game, and excellent receivers. Sonny definitely had a better arm, but it was a totally different era, and players weren't as physically conditioned as they are now.
Re: Cousins Is The Best Redskin In Decades
Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2016 10:26 pm
by Prowl33
Deadskins wrote:OldSchool wrote:Cousins is easily the best QB I've ever seen put on a Redskin uniform including Sonny who never had to carry such a huge load on a severely unbalanced team like Cousins in 2015 and 2016.
It's waaaaaaayyyyyy too early to be making this statement. But what the hell are you talking about with the highlighted portion? The imbalance is totally in Cousins' favor. He's got solid blocking, a fair running game, and excellent receivers. Sonny definitely had a better arm, but it was a totally different era, and players weren't as physically conditioned as they are now.
I think the balance being referred to is offense vs defense. Also the sonny thing is arguable
Re: Cousins Is The Best Redskin In Decades
Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2016 10:37 pm
by Deadskins
Prowl33 wrote:I think the balance being referred to is offense vs defense.
That was my take too. My point was the imbalance is totally in Kirk's favor. He's not having to carry anything, which may be why he's doing so well.
Re: Cousins Is The Best Redskin In Decades
Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2016 10:55 pm
by Countertrey
Prowl33 wrote:Deadskins wrote:OldSchool wrote:Cousins is easily the best QB I've ever seen put on a Redskin uniform including Sonny who never had to carry such a huge load on a severely unbalanced team like Cousins in 2015 and 2016.
It's waaaaaaayyyyyy too early to be making this statement. But what the hell are you talking about with the highlighted portion? The imbalance is totally in Cousins' favor. He's got solid blocking, a fair running game, and excellent receivers. Sonny definitely had a better arm, but it was a totally different era, and players weren't as physically conditioned as they are now.
I think the balance being referred to is offense vs defense.
Also the sonny thing is arguable
No... It's not.
Not that I disagree with OS's conclusions... This young man has turned into a top tier QB. Now, if he can only learn to throw the fade...
Re: Cousins Is The Best Redskin In Decades
Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2016 11:21 pm
by Prowl33
We don't really have a fade receiver. Jordan physically is the closest thing... but that's not his game. Josh Doctson will be that guy since his the tall, big vertical jump, hands guy, but a fade takes practice and trust, so that will be a work in progress.
Re: Cousins Is The Best Redskin In Decades
Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2016 11:24 pm
by Burgundy&GoldForever
George Allen is the coach who ran Larry Brown 400 times in 14 games when he had Sonny and Charlie Taylor, Jerry Smith, Roy Jefferson, and Charlie Harraway as receivers.
Sonny would throw for 6,000 yards in today's passing league. I like what Cousins is doing but he's not even on the same field as Sonny yet.
Re: Cousins Is The Best Redskin In Decades
Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2016 1:38 am
by mastdark81
Gotta respect those that played b4 him. With that you can say he is having the best season the last 10 years of the modern new age passing league for sure...but respect the older guys that won playoffs and superbowls prior to the 10 years.
It sick tho that we posting this after a sweep by are nemesis. I feel like fans are happy after loses these days bc the offense move the ball.
Re: Cousins Is The Best Redskin In Decades
Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2016 10:52 am
by OldSchool
I expected few to agree with my assessment some here have just recently come to accept Kirk is capable starter and franchise QB. As for my statement about Cousins carrying a bigger load than Sonny, I think Sonny had better defenses and running games. The Skins have decent Rush per attempt numbers but clearly don't believe in it when it counts on 3rd and short and the Red Zone.
Shanahan said from the get go the Cousins was very special and had the ability to become like Drew Brees and that is what is happening. If Kirk stays healthy and the Skins competently support in over the years his career will end with a gold jacket and a handsome bust in Canton.
Re: Cousins Is The Best Redskin In Decades
Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2016 11:50 am
by StorminMormon86
Best QB we've had since Brad Johnson. There's no debate there. Maybe even the best since Theismann.
Re: Cousins Is The Best Redskin In Decades
Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2016 12:25 pm
by PulpExposure
OldSchool wrote:I'm 65 so I've been watching well over 50 years. I think Cousins is the best Redskin I've ever seen.
QB I think you can make a colorable argument, and I wouldn't actually take you up on that. I'd actually agree.
But best Redskin? Darrell Green was amazing. Russ Grimm was amazing. Art Monk was ridiculous. But the best that I saw was Sean Taylor. That guy was clearly the best at what he did.
Cousins is among the best in the NFL, but he's not Tom Brady. Taylor basically was the Tom Brady of safeties.
Re: Cousins Is The Best Redskin In Decades
Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2016 1:40 pm
by Hooligan
Makes you chuckle at how drafting Cousins shortly after RG3 caused everyone to say "WTF is Shanahan doing??? We still need XYZ!"
Thanks, Mike and Co.
Re: Cousins Is The Best Redskin In Decades
Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2016 1:42 pm
by Burgundy&GoldForever
PulpExposure wrote:OldSchool wrote:I'm 65 so I've been watching well over 50 years. I think Cousins is the best Redskin I've ever seen.
QB I think you can make a colorable argument, and I wouldn't actually take you up on that. I'd actually agree.
But best Redskin? Darrell Green was amazing. Russ Grimm was amazing. Art Monk was ridiculous. But the best that I saw was Sean Taylor. That guy was clearly the best at what he did.
Cousins is among the best in the NFL, but he's not Tom Brady. Taylor basically was the Tom Brady of safeties.
Ken Houston was better than Sean Taylor but you have to be of a certain age to know that. Ken Houston was the best ever at his position.
Sean Taylor might have become that but he wasn't given the opportunity.
Re: Cousins Is The Best Redskin In Decades
Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2016 2:35 pm
by Irn-Bru
Can't say that I agree — like everyone else is saying, it seems to me to be too early to add him to the list of all-time greats. But there's no doubt that if he keeps up this level of play, which is certainly the best the Redskins have seen at QB for decades, he's going to build a great case for it over the next several years.
Re: Cousins Is The Best Redskin In Decades
Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2016 7:34 pm
by welch
OldSchool wrote:I'm 65 so I've been watching well over 50 years. I think Cousins is the best Redskin I've ever seen. It's tough to compare QBs of different eras and how to you compare the value of players playing different position from different eras? Clearly making a judgement is very subjective so I understand I might be alone here making this judgement but Kirk is the best Skin I ever saw and it's not even close.
Is Kirk as good and dominate at his position as Darryl Green was at CB? I don't know yet, maybe but a QB is worth a lot more than a CB and Cousins is easily the best QB I've ever seen put on a Redskin uniform including Sonny who never had to carry such a huge load on a severely unbalanced team like Cousins in 2015 and 2016.
I'm slightly older than OS...three or four years. Sonny, Bobby Mitchell, Charley Taylor, and Jerry Smith carried the Otto Graham Redskins. Otto insisted that fans came to watch passing, insisting that running plays were boring, and that having a defense was also boring.
Remember the season when Taylor and Mitchell were first and second in passes caught, and Smith was fourth?
Re: Cousins Is The Best Redskin In Decades
Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2016 9:21 pm
by SkinsJock
2 decades maybe - there's no doubt that Cousins play at QB is the best we've seen in the Snyder era - since 1999
Cousins cannot even be a part of a "best" comparison until he "earns" it - let's let Cousins earn the right to be considered even better than the 3 guys that last won Super Bowls before we start thinking he even belongs on the same field as so many great Redskins
it's way too early to have this conversation ... what a stupid concept to put out there ...
there's a bunch of threads already about how good Cousins is - why do we need this?
btw - I think that Cousins is the best QB we've had since 2000 but he has not earned the right to be compared to past great QBs
Re: Cousins Is The Best Redskin In Decades
Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2016 5:05 am
by HEROHAMO
Cousins is still developing as a Qb. He is starting to become elite. However he still needs to take another step and win the Big games.
I can think of more than a handful of Redskins ahead of Kirk.
Art Monk, Dexter Manley, Darrell Green, Sean Taylor, Riggo, Gary Clark, Russ Grimm, Jacoby I didn't mention Charley, Sonny because they were before my time.
Re: Cousins Is The Best Redskin In Decades
Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2016 5:09 am
by HEROHAMO
All the players I mentioned above were able to shine in big games and bring home Wins.
Kirk still has time his is young. However he's not there yet. All though if he keeps it up he should surpass all the Qbs.
Re: Cousins Is The Best Redskin In Decades
Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2016 11:30 am
by riggofan
SkinsJock wrote:2 decades maybe - there's no doubt that Cousins play at QB is the best we've seen in the Snyder era - since 1999
Cousins cannot even be a part of a "best" comparison until he "earns" it - let's let Cousins earn the right to be considered even better than the 3 guys that last won Super Bowls before we start thinking he even belongs on the same field as so many great Redskins
I don't think it says everything about a quarterback, but I agree about that idea. If he wants to be one of the best Redskins ever, he'll have to show it in the playoffs. Hopefully Kirk will have a shot to prove it one way or the other.
Re: Cousins Is The Best Redskin In Decades
Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2016 12:18 pm
by DEHog
While I like Cousins and think he is the guy! I do get tired of hearing about yards passing. The NFL is such a different game, Roger Staubach and Terry Bradshaw combined threw for 300 yards 13 times. Cousins has 18 and is 8-9 in those games. Today NFL game is played between the 20 yard line and the goal line; at times it’s hard to watch…that’s why the red zone channel is so popular. One of the most Telling stats is red zone efficiency…here’s all you need to know.
29th Washington 43.48%
P.S. Sonny had 15 which is pretty impressive for his era!
Re: Cousins Is The Best Redskin In Decades
Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2016 1:16 pm
by Burgundy&GoldForever
DEHog wrote:P.S. Sonny had 15 which is pretty impressive for his era!
Legendary, considering teams were actually allowed to defend receivers at the time.
Re: Cousins Is The Best Redskin In Decades
Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2016 2:20 pm
by DarthMonk
OldSchool wrote:I'm 65 so I've been watching well over 50 years. I think Cousins is the best Redskin I've ever seen. It's tough to compare QBs of different eras and how to you compare the value of players playing different position from different eras? Clearly making a judgement is very subjective so I understand I might be alone here making this judgement but Kirk is the best Skin I ever saw and it's not even close.
Is Kirk as good and dominate at his position as Darryl Green was at CB? I don't know yet, maybe but a QB is worth a lot more than a CB and Cousins is easily the best QB I've ever seen put on a Redskin uniform including Sonny who never had to carry such a huge load on a severely unbalanced team like Cousins in 2015 and 2016.
Re: Cousins Is The Best Redskin In Decades
Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2016 4:02 pm
by welch
Probably time to post this again: "Did You Ever See Sonny Play?"
(1) Incidentally, the current NFL seems to have "evolved" to the game that Otto Graham wanted: almost all passing. Otto ran the "West Coast Offense" before Bill Walsh "invented" it. That "coaching tree" descends from Paul Brown in the '50s. Otto was Brown's QB and developed Brown's ideas...minus Paul Brown's rushing game. (Look up Marion Motley, Jim Brown, and Bobby Mitchell), and minus Paul Brown's defense.
(2) Charley Taylor, Bobby Mitchell, Jerry Smith (and Roy Jefferson) would probably be impact players even today. Yes, players are bigger, but Taylor was 6-3 and weighed 217 pounds. Charley had been a "featured" RB before Otto switched him to WR. Mitchell was about the same size as Desean Jackson, but Mitchell was a running HB...not just a receiver. Smith would have been a perfect H-back...a pass-catching TE who could block. Jefferson was another big WR.