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Estimates in millions of $:

We have $53 in cap room for next year.

Cuts and additional cap:

Hall = $5
Licht = $4
Bruton = $1.5
Paul = $2
Various = $1.5
Sub Total = $14

That's $67 for next year. We could sign Cousins to a pretty big deal and be fine.

Too bad we didn't offer 6 years for $110 with $50 guaranteed last year early on. Probably would've done the trick and look real cheap real soon.

DarthMonk wrote:Too bad we didn't offer 6 years for $110 with $50 guaranteed last year early on. Probably would've done the trick and look real cheap real soon.

No doubt, man. If you pay another franchise tag next year, you're at $45m for two years already.

If they offer 6 years, $150MM with 50% guaranteed it will look cheap in three seasons. The cost of quarterbacks is out of control.

riggofan wrote:

DarthMonk wrote:Too bad we didn't offer 6 years for $110 with $50 guaranteed last year early on. Probably would've done the trick and look real cheap real soon.

No doubt, man. If you pay another franchise tag next year, you're at $45m for two years already.

If you pay another franchise tag next season your GM should be fired.

Cousins has proven himself to be a top 10 quarterback. That means he's looking at $20M+ per year, and I do think he's worth it. Maybe not a top 3 or even top 5 contract, but he needs to get paid. Make it happen, Scot.

Thanks DM - we're good with those $ in hand - these guys will get a deal done

DarthMonk wrote:Estimates in millions of $:

We have $53 in cap room for next year.

Cuts and additional cap:

Hall = $5
Licht = $4
Bruton = $1.5
Paul = $2
Various = $1.5
Sub Total = $14

That's $67 for next year. We could sign Cousins to a pretty big deal and be fine.

Just curious, how does the $53m in cap space relate to the number of UFAs and RFAs we have next year? Do we have $53m in cap space because Kirk's $20m and the $20m for Garcon/Djax aren't on the books next year?

There are 20 guys who are FAs in 2017. Not that we have to bring them back at the same numbers or bring them back at all, but that's nearly half the roster. Those spots do have to be filled including some key guys:

Kirk Cousins
Pierre Garcon
DeSean Jackson
Chris Baker
Vernon Davis
Duke Ihenacho
Ziggy Hood
Donte Whitner
Terence Garvin
Greg Toler
Cullen Jenkins
John Sullivan
Junior Galette

There are also some key guys currently on inexpensive rookie contracts that will be up soon like Trent Murphy and Morgan Moses.

People can't assume we're looking at the roster we have now as is + $53m in cap space next year.

the Scot/Bruce combination is working well for this franchise - Allen has earned a good rep as a $ guy and McCloughan has an equally good reputation for 'identifying' personnel (players and coaches)

they will put a great deal together for Cousins but they also will not 'restrict' the franchise like a lot of other FO's have done

Cousins has earned a huge payday and he's going to get a great offer from the Redskins but they will not be stupid about it either

That cap figure isn't nearly as much as it seems like.

$20MM +/- to Cousins.
$10MM +/- to Garcon or Jackson.
$12MM+/- to Eric Berry. Or some other impact player on defense. Berry makes a lot of sense.

That leaves $25MM to sign eight players to get to 53.

Then there's the practice squad salaries.

Then there's the draft pick compensation.

Then there's the injury reserve.

SkinsJock wrote:they will put a great deal together for Cousins but they also will not 'restrict' the franchise like a lot of other FO's have done

Cousins has earned a huge payday and he's going to get a great offer from the Redskins but they will not be stupid about it either

ok you've posted this verbatim like two dozen times now. Its starting to sound like north korean propaganda.

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:That cap figure isn't nearly as much as it seems like.

$20MM +/- to Cousins.
$10MM +/- to Garcon or Jackson.
$12MM+/- to Eric Berry. Or some other impact player on defense. Berry makes a lot of sense.

That leaves $25MM to sign eight players to get to 53.

That's sort of what I was wondering. Its definitely better salary cap space than we've seen in recent years. I just know from watching the team in free agency that money goes more quickly than you think once they start signing guys.

You left off Chris Baker there who I would think is in line for a competitive contract offer this year. Vernon Davis is getting $3m/yr right now too. Kinda seems like he would be a guy they would like back next year.

The WRs will be interesting. I personally don't think either of those guys will be back at that kind of money again. But wonder could we bring Garcon back in the $6m range?

riggofan wrote:

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:That cap figure isn't nearly as much as it seems like.

$20MM +/- to Cousins.
$10MM +/- to Garcon or Jackson.
$12MM+/- to Eric Berry. Or some other impact player on defense. Berry makes a lot of sense.

That leaves $25MM to sign eight players to get to 53.

That's sort of what I was wondering. Its definitely better salary cap space than we've seen in recent years. I just know from watching the team in free agency that money goes more quickly than you think once they start signing guys.

You left off Chris Baker there who I would think is in line for a competitive contract offer this year. Vernon Davis is getting $3m/yr right now too. Kinda seems like he would be a guy they would like back next year.

The WRs will be interesting. I personally don't think either of those guys will be back at that kind of money again. But wonder could we bring Garcon back in the $6m range?

That would be a $4MM paycut for Garcon. I can't think of a single reason why he would or should take a paycut.

I think Scot McCloughan's plan was to have Doctson replace one receiver and perhaps address the other one in this draft. Doctson's injury kind of screwed that plan up. Could be why McCloughan punched that locker.

On another note, they pretty much have to bring back Baker. The free agency defensive tackle market is thin.

I'd be stunned if they didn't re-sign Vernon Davis. He's been as good as Reed. And as valuable.

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:That would be a $4MM paycut for Garcon. I can't think of a single reason why he would or should take a paycut.

I can: he'll be a 31 year old #2 WR. He's finishing up a 5 year $42m contract. I'd be surprised if anybody is matching that this time around.

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:On another note, they pretty much have to bring back Baker. The free agency defensive tackle market is thin.

I'd be stunned if they didn't re-sign Vernon Davis. He's been as good as Reed. And as valuable.

Yeah I agree with both of those. Everyone is talking about Cousins, but Baker is an UFA who is in line to get paid.

riggofan wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:they will put a great deal together for Cousins but they also will not 'restrict' the franchise like a lot of other FO's have done - Cousins has earned a huge payday and he's going to get a great offer from the Redskins but they will not be stupid about it either

ok you've posted this verbatim like two dozen times now. Its starting to sound like north korean propaganda.

OK thanks - I wasn't sure if I'd covered all the angles - I'll go quietly

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:That cap figure isn't nearly as much as it seems like.

$20MM +/- to Cousins.
$10MM +/- to Garcon or Jackson.
$12MM+/- to Eric Berry. Or some other impact player on defense. Berry makes a lot of sense.

That leaves $25MM to sign eight players to get to 53.

Then there's the practice squad salaries.

Then there's the draft pick compensation.

Then there's the injury reserve.

Look at it this way. It's $67 M before we sign Kirk not $53 M so it's $47 M after we sign him and likely more since the early years will have lower than yearly-average cap numbers.

We're likely to have $50 M + in cap space after signing Kirk.

SkinsJock wrote:OK thanks - I wasn't sure if I'd covered all the angles - I'll go quietly

SkinsJock wrote:I'll go quietly

Cousins is making $20mil a year now and it is not hurting us so that is not the issue and never really been with the Redskins.

The issue is will we be able to put that Denver quality defense around him with lack of cap space. Denver had to go out and spend money.

Because for Cousins to succeed that is exactly what he will need if you want to win a Super Bowl. He is simply not good enough to overcome deficiencies in other areas and put the team on his back. Rodgers nor Brees can't and they are clearly hall of famers.

If you think we can go solely off the draft then let us be the Packers then and melt down in the playoffs because of a poor D every year. Or if you are satisfied with 8,9,10 games per year than pay him!

I feel we can keep him but at a more team friendly deal...16-19mil max. If not I am willing to part ways and yes take a step back instead of being a middle of the pack team every year. Do it the right way!! We 3rd place now, you guys act like Cousins have taken us to the mountain top lmao. Dak Prescott and Wentz already playing at near Cousins level first year or exceeding in some eyes. He's a good qb that manages the game and is very efficient. With that said you need a defense behind him or you can't win anything significant with him.

obviously, I did not understand the financial ramifications - I thought that we could pay Cousins and afford to pay everyone else

I expect that the market value for Cousins will be over $22M+ - if we pay that amount (or more) it will mean that we cannot pay all the other players we need to be competitive

IT's SIMPLE - If Cousins wants to play here, he should take less than the 'market value' so we can still pay all the other players we need


and ... I will leave it at that

SkinsJock wrote:IT's SIMPLE - If Cousins wants to play here, he should take less than the 'market value' so we can still pay all the other players we need

A good QB is a need. There's no reason for him to accept less than market value and it would be foolish for the Redskins to let him walk over it.

Building through the draft means paying the home-grown talent once they've earned it.

Cousins deserves a great deal - hopefully the Redskins can make it happen and not hurt the product on the field

SkinsJock wrote:IT's SIMPLE - If Cousins wants to play here, he should take less than the 'market value' so we can still pay all the other players we need


and ... I will leave it at that

A player who has never had a contract equal to his market value should take less than market value? Yea, that'll happen.
His agent and the NFLPA will be all for it. I mean it's not like the agent gets paid based on what Cousins gets paid.
Or like the NFLPA is always trying to raise player salaries to increase the average top player salaries which affect the franchise tag values.
Sure, Kirk. Go ahead and take less than market value on what could be the only real value contract in your NFL career.
It's not like the contracts are only partially guaranteed.
It's not as if a team can release you at any time for any reason or for no reason.
It's not like there's not another big value, long-term contract around every corner.

It's simple. You should think before you post. And I will leave it at that.

Tom Brady is not being paid his 'fair market value' and the implication that this is because he's married to Giselle is just stupid

Tom feels that he's being well paid for what he does PLUS he knows that the franchise cannot pay him 'fair market value' and still ensure that they can pay all the other players the franchise needs to be competitive

Cousins should get a lot of money to play QB, he deserves it - the FO needs to structure the contract so that he can be well paid and also allow the franchise to be able to 'pay for' a great O line and great receivers and a great defense

Cousins 'value' to the franchise and his 'fair market value' are not the same thing

it is simple - we need to pay him very well but we cannot afford to pay him 'fair market value'

and trust me there are less teams than you think that will pay Cousins what he wants. General Managers always keep their mindset of how they envision a player when he was first drafted for the most part (whether that is good or bad). He was a 4th rounder, therefore the few teams that may want him will want to draft a guy than take him in my eyes. I think the Jets would be a strong possibility, but who knows their GM may be fired by end of year.

Cousins will sign for a decent deal not breaking the bank. This is the best situation for him, he's a smart man. He wouldn't be able to go to no other situation in better shape offensively. Other than possibly Denver but they have already made it known that they don't budget for qb's getting over 16mil and have drafted Paxton Lynch and have a young Simien who could have them in the playoffs this year.

If Cousins was about the money he would leave. If you think about it he probably will want $60mil guaranteed at least. Redskins won't pay that because they will factor in the $20mil he is getting this year under the tage and low ball him to lets say $40mil. He can go to another team and have been paid 20+mil from Skins and the $60mil by X team in guaranteed money. I think negotiations will get ugly unless he wins a playoff game then thats when I have confidence in them paying him what he wants. I hope I make sense, rushing typing this lol.

mastdark81 wrote:and trust me there are less teams than you think that will pay Cousins what he wants. General Managers always keep their mindset of how they envision a player when he was first drafted for the most part (whether that is good or bad). He was a 4th rounder, therefore the few teams that may want him will want to draft a guy than take him in my eyes. I think the Jets would be a strong possibility, but who knows their GM may be fired by end of year.

It doesn't matter how many teams there are that will pay Cousins what he wants. There only has to be ONE.

I'd also add that you can't just look at the really bad teams. Those teams that are finishing at the bottom of the league will have the high pick and be in position to possibly draft a franchise guy.