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Talk about that sweet victory here.

"Just run at them until they surrender". (Old Redskin saying)

Weird fact: We have the same record as the Panthers.

Also, those nets can be dangerous
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ACW wrote:Also, those nets can be dangerous
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Maybe that's why he was crying...

Trent Williams is a pretty damned good Guard...

Countertrey wrote:Trent Williams is a pretty damned good Guard...

Doc Walker was loving that late drive in the 4th when the team just kept running Matt Jones.

I don't have much reaction to this game right now other than just I'm so glad the team pulled out the win. I was sure when we settled for that late field goal, that Eli would drive and get the win. Might take some time to digest all of the injuries and just all of the crazy stuff we saw in this game. .

Countertrey wrote:Trent Williams is a pretty damned good Guard...

Next week they're trying him at center.

riggofan wrote:

Countertrey wrote:Trent Williams is a pretty damned good Guard...

Doc Walker was loving that late drive in the 4th when the team just kept running Matt Jones.

That is Redskin Football. The last time Coach Joe won at the Meadowlands -- an ugly evening in 2007 when the field was pelted with ice pellets and sleet -- the OL pounded and pounded. Joe G. put Lorenzo Alexander at H-back. I always think of Clinton Portis running off left-tackle with his hand on the blocker's back, guiding the blocker left or right. As the second half went on, the Giants seemed less and less interested in defending the line of scrimmage.

Let's hope Gruden has learned something.

Positives I took from the game is that we kept at it and I'm glad the players felt the reward of success. Now take that motor the rest of the season. There were some breaks both teams got and I'm sure will be worked on this week. This redzone offense seriously needs to be worked on with schemes and practice. Settling for 3 so much won't lead to many victories.

I was happy we drafted Sua Cravens. He is for real............. representing Socal USC.

We are going to remember that Cravens pick for a long time. Awesome play, and even better seeing it done by someone wearing #36.

Great game. I thought we made a few bad decisions, particularly late in the game, but I'm glad the team executed to hang on to it. The Giants will be kicking themselves this morning.

The thing that isn't being discussed is Chris Baker on the sideline cussing out Joe Barry. I think he needs to be fired now, he is terrible and when Baker loses his cool like that shows that his play calling and his consistent terrible defenses show he is nothing but a laughing stock. How and why he hasn't been fired is beyond me.

DaSkinz Baby wrote:The thing that isn't being discussed is Chris Baker on the sideline cussing out Joe Barry. I think he needs to be fired now, he is terrible and when Baker loses his cool like that shows that his play calling and his consistent terrible defenses show he is nothing but a laughing stock. How and why he hasn't been fired is beyond me.

The defense held the Giants to 6 points in the second half. Barry obviously adjusted at half time. What game were you watching?

DaSkinz Baby wrote:The thing that isn't being discussed is Chris Baker on the sideline cussing out Joe Barry. I think he needs to be fired now, he is terrible and when Baker loses his cool like that shows that his play calling and his consistent terrible defenses show he is nothing but a laughing stock. How and why he hasn't been fired is beyond me.

Thank God you are not running the team. There is no more effective way to ruin a season than blowing up your coaching staff right in the middle of it.

That said, I agree that Joe Barry doesn't inspire confidence. I kinda think that the whole Gruden staff (minus McVay) is in danger of being dropped after this season.

Great win! Anytime you go to NJ and beat the Giants I can take that anyday!!

We are faaaaar away from where you want but glad we got the win. That was a classic game. Cravens came up big when we needed him too and I thought the players finally did more than your average play and went above and beyond. S/O to Crowder, Dunbar, Hopkins, all taking their game to the next level.

Irn-Bru wrote:

DaSkinz Baby wrote:The thing that isn't being discussed is Chris Baker on the sideline cussing out Joe Barry. I think he needs to be fired now, he is terrible and when Baker loses his cool like that shows that his play calling and his consistent terrible defenses show he is nothing but a laughing stock. How and why he hasn't been fired is beyond me.

Thank God you are not running the team. There is no more effective way to ruin a season than blowing up your coaching staff right in the middle of it.

That said, I agree that Joe Barry doesn't inspire confidence. I kinda think that the whole Gruden staff (minus McVay) is in danger of being dropped after this season.

If that happens Gruden gets dropped as well. Not even sure they retain McVay unless he can figure out his red zone offense woes immediately, if not sooner.

No excuse for five field goals with this group of receivers.

Irn-Bru wrote:Thank God you are not running the team. There is no more effective way to ruin a season than blowing up your coaching staff right in the middle of it.

That said, I agree that Joe Barry doesn't inspire confidence. I kinda think that the whole Gruden staff (minus McVay) is in danger of being dropped after this season.

I hope that's not the case. There are some things about Gruden that I dislike, but one thing I do like is that he seems to stay on track and even keeled. While the local media is overreacting to this win or that loss, he just seems to keep plugging along.

We've been on this three year coaching merry go round for too long. Its time to try actually building something for a change.

riggofan wrote:

Irn-Bru wrote:Thank God you are not running the team. There is no more effective way to ruin a season than blowing up your coaching staff right in the middle of it.

That said, I agree that Joe Barry doesn't inspire confidence. I kinda think that the whole Gruden staff (minus McVay) is in danger of being dropped after this season.

I hope that's not the case. There are some things about Gruden that I dislike, but one thing I do like is that he seems to stay on track and even keeled. While the local media is overreacting to this win or that loss, he just seems to keep plugging along.

We've been on this three year coaching merry go round for too long. Its time to try actually building something for a change.

Agree with both. I am no Barry fan, but you don't make changes mid-year. That VERY rarely works out. I also agree that this franchise has had WAY too much turnover over the years. We need some continuity. If our DEF even closely resembles what it has looked like these first 3 weeks, then changes have to be made (whether coaching or player personnel), but lets wait and see at this point.

This being said, our DEF is CLEARLY our primary issue (as I have been saying). Great great win in a place we don't get wins too often, but 27 was too much and 92 ppg against is 30th in the NFL...... not a good position to be in.

Meanwhile our OFF is 3rd in yards and to the decimal average in ppg at 22.7. The fact we are 3rd in yards and stuck in the middle in ppg shows we have a redzone issue that needs to be worked out. Hopefully after yesterdays horrible coaching gaff at the end of H1 and showing how ineffective our rushing game is in the redzone will result in some changes and, consequently, improvement --- but that is a "hope" and nothing more. We need a better rushing attack inside the 20. I don't have the stats, but I'm guessing we average less than 2 ypc in the redzone. That makes it VERY easy for DEFs to defend against.......

markshark84 wrote:Agree with both. I am no Barry fan, but you don't make changes mid-year. That VERY rarely works out. I also agree that this franchise has had WAY too much turnover over the years. We need some continuity. If our DEF even closely resembles what it has looked like these first 3 weeks, then changes have to be made (whether coaching or player personnel), but lets wait and see at this point.

I don't know, man. I would expect our defense to look the same or worse wouldn't you? DHall gone. Breeland out. Its not like our personnel are getting better as these injuries pile up. Every last person posting here knew that we needed major d-line help last off season, and rightly or wrongly, we didn't address it. Who knows? Maybe Ionaddis will turn it on midway through the season and surprise us all.

markshark84 wrote:Hopefully after yesterdays horrible coaching gaff at the end of H1 and showing how ineffective our rushing game is in the redzone will result in some changes and, consequently, improvement --- but that is a "hope" and nothing more. We need a better rushing attack inside the 20. I don't have the stats, but I'm guessing we average less than 2 ypc in the redzone. That makes it VERY easy for DEFs to defend against.......

Yeah I was wondering if we were really as bad in the red zone as we seemed to be or not. Looked it up this morning and we have something like a 20% success rate in the red zone. Honestly our stats couldn't be worse down there. More than half the league is 50% or better. Just seem totally inept down there and nobody is afraid we're going to run it in.

I think part of the problem is that we dink and dunk our way to the red zone so much too. Gotta take more shots instead of getting down into the 20 where its easier to defend.

riggofan wrote:

markshark84 wrote:Agree with both. I am no Barry fan, but you don't make changes mid-year. That VERY rarely works out. I also agree that this franchise has had WAY too much turnover over the years. We need some continuity. If our DEF even closely resembles what it has looked like these first 3 weeks, then changes have to be made (whether coaching or player personnel), but lets wait and see at this point.

I don't know, man. I would expect our defense to look the same or worse wouldn't you? DHall gone. Breeland out. Its not like our personnel are getting better as these injuries pile up. Every last person posting here knew that we needed major d-line help last off season, and rightly or wrongly, we didn't address it. Who knows? Maybe Ionaddis will turn it on midway through the season and surprise us all.

markshark84 wrote:Hopefully after yesterdays horrible coaching gaff at the end of H1 and showing how ineffective our rushing game is in the redzone will result in some changes and, consequently, improvement --- but that is a "hope" and nothing more. We need a better rushing attack inside the 20. I don't have the stats, but I'm guessing we average less than 2 ypc in the redzone. That makes it VERY easy for DEFs to defend against.......

Yeah I was wondering if we were really as bad in the red zone as we seemed to be or not. Looked it up this morning and we have something like a 20% success rate in the red zone. Honestly our stats couldn't be worse down there. More than half the league is 50% or better. Just seem totally inept down there and nobody is afraid we're going to run it in.

I think part of the problem is that we dink and dunk our way to the red zone so much too. Gotta take more shots instead of getting down into the 20 where its easier to defend.

I never stated I expect our DEF to look better moving forward --- only that it NEEDS to. That being said, I honestly don't consider DHall to be a huge loss. Breeland would be to an extent, but has been having a poor season and his exrays were negative I believe. We actually played BETTER with both of them off the field.....

I agree that unless our DL starts getting to the QB, it will be a long year. I stated last year that our #1 priority was DL and CB, but DL (with multiple positions to be filled) wasn't addressed and I blame that on Scot. His offseason performance this past year wasn't as solid as the prior. I was EXTREMELY happy about his moves in year 1 --- this year I was less enthusiastic (including our draft, although I agree with the BPA approach, just disappointed in a WR in R1; a S and CB were good selections for 2 and 3).

I don't really think we "dink and dunk". Cousins is 10th in y/p attempt. It is more a product of the WCO, IMHO. I also think we don't take as many shots down field due to our OL issues. Cousins is making our OL look WAY WAY WAY better than they are. If he sat back there for 4 seconds, he'd get sacked over 50% of the time. He doesn't have the time to go downfield on average. Who knows, it very well may be that our HC/OC are calling downfield plays --- and that Cousins either doesn't see them or is being pressured so he can't make the read. Cousins runs through progressions fast --- I am usually able to observe a QB making them mid-play, but it is harder with NFL QBs, and Cousins in particular. I tend to believe he moves his head and eyes differently. He also doesn't spend equal time on one progression vs. another. It messes me up a bit from an observation perspective.

Our RZ stats are HORRIBLE. Worst in the league. That is an issue with everyone --- HC, OC, RBs, OL, and QBs.

I still don't understand the lack of a common sense approach to these issues. First and foremost losing DeAngelo Hall AGAIN is a blessing. He isn't a good safety and basically is a me first player that simply can't accept it's time for him to retire. He should have not been brought back. He is late to get to plays, he has been late with helping CB's with help up top (See the Pittsburgh game) Blackman played better than Hall and it showed once he went out. I understand that Hall has redone contracts and all to save us salary cap room but he still is a millionaire many times over. In regards to Sean McVay and his red zone play calling. You mean to tell me you have Jordan Reed, Vernon Davis and Niles Paul and you can't do nothing other than call a Fade that hasn't worked yet? The thought of spreading the offense out and throwing a quick slant or running a bootleg or a QB sneak isn't better options than the fade play that hasn't worked at all? Then you throw it to the shortest receiver in Crowder?

Lastly with regards to Joe Barry, it was told to me this weekend that Jay Gruden was out having drinks when Joe Barry was hired and Jay was not in the decision to hire Barry and that he didn't want him to be hired. I find this to be a very telling statement and this has Bruce Allen written all over it. He is another boob that still get's money based on who is father was. In regards to again a common sense approach when there are rumblings in the locker room and one of the nicest most respected leaders on your defense goes completely out of character and cusses the DC out, that pretty much tells me that these guys don't like him, don't have respect for him and is just awaiting a seemingly soon to be done thing in the firing of Barry. It's not like Perry Fewell could do any worse than Barry.

markshark84 wrote:
Agree with both. I am no Barry fan, but you don't make changes mid-year. That VERY rarely works out. I also agree that this franchise has had WAY too much turnover over the years. We need some continuity. If our DEF even closely resembles what it has looked like these first 3 weeks, then changes have to be made (whether coaching or player personnel), but lets wait and see at this point.

This being said, our DEF is CLEARLY our primary issue (as I have been saying). Great great win in a place we don't get wins too often, but 27 was too much and 92 ppg against is 30th in the NFL...... not a good position to be in.

Meanwhile our OFF is 3rd in yards and to the decimal average in ppg at 22.7. The fact we are 3rd in yards and stuck in the middle in ppg shows we have a redzone issue that needs to be worked out. Hopefully after yesterdays horrible coaching gaff at the end of H1 and showing how ineffective our rushing game is in the redzone will result in some changes and, consequently, improvement --- but that is a "hope" and nothing more. We need a better rushing attack inside the 20. I don't have the stats, but I'm guessing we average less than 2 ypc in the redzone. That makes it VERY easy for DEFs to defend against.......

I don't know enough to see if Gruden is going to be a great HC or not, but his offense does get people open. It's a really well designed offense, imho.

The defense is a disaster, though, and I'm not sure anyone should be surprised to see this considering Barry has not had success at his prior defco position. I'd be more than fine with keeping Gruden around and ditching Barry. At the end of the year, of course, because mid-season (or early season...) firings never help anyone. They just scream of overreaction. Firing a guy after 3 weeks, is basically saying all that work they did in the offseason and training camp is for nothing. Not a good message for the players.