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Probably too early to spot trends and assign real meaning but I'll post this anyway and bump it every week.

Run Offense = 32nd @ 55 ypg

Pass Offense = 5th @ 329 ypg

Total Offense = 9th @ 384 ypg


Run Defense = 28th @ 147 ypg

Pass Defense = 25th @ 288 ypg

Total Defense = 29th @ 435 ypg

I like that idea, man - thanks. Will be interesting to follow. Doesn't tell the whole story but I like the perspective compared to other teams.

Run Offense = 28nd @ 68.5 ypg

Pass Offense = 3rd @ 339.5 ypg

Total Offense = 7th @ 408 ypg

Offensive Yards Per Point = 28th

Offensive Red Zone Efficiency = 28th

3rd Down = 19th



Run Defense = 30th @ 124.5 ypg

Pass Defense = 22nd @ 284 ypg

Total Defense = 30th @ 408.5 ypg

Defensive Yards Per Point = 28th

Defensive red Zone Efficiency = 27th

3rd Down = 32nd



So far we can't run or stop it.
On third down we are a below average offense and a terrible defense.
We leave yards on the field and don't convert the yards we gain into points while our opponents do the opposite.

not sure we can't run the ball - we haven't really tried running the ball much

AND

not sure our defense wouldn't have better stats if we had done better on offense

stats are interesting but they really are not as 'revealing' to the NFL as they are to the MLB guys

Cousins yards per game mean ZERO compared to 1TD and 3 INTs

SkinsJock wrote:
not sure our defense wouldn't have better stats if we had done better on offense

Our offense has 20 total drives this season (ranked 30th in the NFL; the average is approx. 23). Yet, we are #1 in the NFL in least amount of 3 and outs and #7 in OFF yards per game and #3 in yards per drive.

On the other hand, our DEF has given up an average drive of approx. 43 yards/per drive against DAL and 49 yards/drive against PIT. The average NFL yards/drive is 31.5. Additionally, out of our opponent's 19 drives they have scored 11 times --- or our DEF allows a score on 57.8% of all opponent drives this year. The NFL average is 35.6% --- which is roughly 22.2% lower. On those 11 scoring drives, our opponent had to go an AVERAGE of 68 yards (ten yards more than average) --- which, spelling it out for you --- means our OFF didn't put our DEF in an disadvantageous position with regards to field position on those drives.

Clearly our DEF is staying on the field longer due to longer drives/yards per possession by the opponent. Our OFF doesn't have an issue with staying on the field, which (if they did) would be a legitimate concern. So, it's the other way around, our DEFs' inability to get off the field is limiting our OFF's opportunity amount.

OR, the offence's inability to score touchdowns is handicapping our defence?


Is there no TOP stat in there boss?

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:OR, the offence's inability to score touchdowns is handicapping our defence?


Is there no TOP stat in there boss?

Not the way it works, my man.

With regards to TOP --- I was hoping you would analyze the stats I presented --- but with those stats, TOP is irrelevant (and actually HURTS your argument.....). My stats provide the picture of HOW TOP is determined. If our DEF can't get off the field as they have only produced 1 single 3 and out, last in scoring drive DEF %, and 30th in average opponent yards per drive and meanwhile our OFF is #1 in least 3 and outs ---- then a poor TOP would only indicate that our DEF isn't giving our OFF enough opportunities. And honestly, for how putrid our DEF is playing, our OFF is actually putting up decent TOP numbers (averaging 27 mpg) based on limited drive count (20) and due to the fact our DEF can't produce a 3 and out to save their lives.

Come on, your better than this. Don't be thickheaded.

Oh yeah, you change your DEF grade yet after seeing what our DEF is doing vs. "the field" (in the Breeland thread).....

Here are the two stats that actually matter:

Points scored: Not enough.

Points allowed. Too many.

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:Here are the two stats that actually matter:

Points scored: Not enough.

Points allowed. Too many.

that's good
fact is our defense is not going to win games, we have to hope the offense can - we know the defense will most likely allow points - we just did not expect this offense to not be more effective than what we've seen ESPECIALLY with a QB that thinks he's worth a lot of money and wants to prove it on the field

it's only been 2 games - I could care less how many yards or how great Cousins stats are, this is not FF, this is the real game and in this game, when you are the QB that thinks he's really good, you better pass for more TDs than INTs

markshark84 wrote:Our offense has 20 total drives this season (ranked 30th in the NFL; the average is approx. 23). Yet, we are #1 in the NFL in least amount of 3 and outs and #7 in OFF yards per game and #3 in yards per drive.

On the other hand, our DEF has given up an average drive of approx. 43 yards/per drive against DAL and 49 yards/drive against PIT. The average NFL yards/drive is 31.5. Additionally, out of our opponent's 19 drives they have scored 11 times --- or our DEF allows a score on 57.8% of all opponent drives this year. The NFL average is 35.6% --- which is roughly 22.2% lower. On those 11 scoring drives, our opponent had to go an AVERAGE of 68 yards (ten yards more than average) --- which, spelling it out for you --- means our OFF didn't put our DEF in an disadvantageous position with regards to field position on those drives.

Clearly our DEF is staying on the field longer due to longer drives/yards per possession by the opponent. Our OFF doesn't have an issue with staying on the field, which (if they did) would be a legitimate concern. So, it's the other way around, our DEFs' inability to get off the field is limiting our OFF's opportunity amount.

what is clear to me is that the defense is allowing yards and scores but the offense is not scoring enough points to win the game when it clearly has had the opportunity to

when is this QB that thinks he's worth a lot of money going to start proving it?

where is the stat that shows balls that were dropped that should/could have been caught vs passes that were not catchable

Wow. Hater alert.

SkinsJock wrote:

markshark84 wrote:Our offense has 20 total drives this season (ranked 30th in the NFL; the average is approx. 23). Yet, we are #1 in the NFL in least amount of 3 and outs and #7 in OFF yards per game and #3 in yards per drive.

On the other hand, our DEF has given up an average drive of approx. 43 yards/per drive against DAL and 49 yards/drive against PIT. The average NFL yards/drive is 31.5. Additionally, out of our opponent's 19 drives they have scored 11 times --- or our DEF allows a score on 57.8% of all opponent drives this year. The NFL average is 35.6% --- which is roughly 22.2% lower. On those 11 scoring drives, our opponent had to go an AVERAGE of 68 yards (ten yards more than average) --- which, spelling it out for you --- means our OFF didn't put our DEF in an disadvantageous position with regards to field position on those drives.

Clearly our DEF is staying on the field longer due to longer drives/yards per possession by the opponent. Our OFF doesn't have an issue with staying on the field, which (if they did) would be a legitimate concern. So, it's the other way around, our DEFs' inability to get off the field is limiting our OFF's opportunity amount.

what is clear to me is that the defense is allowing yards and scores but the offense is not scoring enough points to win the game when it clearly has had the opportunity to

when is this QB that thinks he's worth a lot of money going to start proving it?

I totally agree that our OFF is not scoring enough (roughly 2.2 ppg below average). However, not only is our DEF allowing more yards, they are also averaging 32.5 ppg against (or 9.8 ppg ABOVE average) --- which is a much bigger concern. Saying that we need our OFF to score 30+ ppg is not realistic for any team.

What do you mean by "opportunity"? We have only had 20 drives this year, 2 of which our OFF had less than 1.5 mins to make something of. This is dead last in the league. Sure, our OFF has "opportunity" in that they get the ball every now and again, but in no way shape or form would I say our OFF "clearly" has opportunity. I would consider our OFF to have "minimal" opportunity or ---- based on statistics --- the least "opportunity" in the NFL thus far.

I agree that Cousins needs to show he's worth the money he wants..... and he hasn't by any means. But I don't think he is getting any help. He is just trying to do too much. He is asked to make plays on roughly 88% of our OFF plays. Our running game has provided him an average of 54.5 ypg. When Cousins tries to do everything he throws INTs. Our running game, OL, and coaching staff need to not put everything on his shoulders. He's not that good a QB, and not many are.

SkinsJock wrote:not sure we can't run the ball - we haven't really tried running the ball much

Well, we either can't cuz we can't or we can't cuz we won't

SkinsJock wrote:not sure our defense wouldn't have better stats if we had done better on offense

I think they would.

SkinsJock wrote:stats are interesting but they really are not as 'revealing' to the NFL as they are to the MLB guys

Probably true.

SkinsJock wrote:Cousins yards per game mean ZERO compared to 1TD and 3 INTs

Tried to point that out with Yards Per Point and Red Zone Efficiency.

The stats reveal a lot when you couple them with what you see if you watch the game.

I'll give you a relevant stat: 5-17. Cousin's red zone accuracy thus far this season.

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:I'll give you a relevant stat: 5-17. Cousin's red zone accuracy thus far this season.

That's a great stat - I agree. And for all of the crazy talk going on about Cousins right now, that's a really accurate stat that tells you specifically where he's struggling.

riggofan wrote:

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:I'll give you a relevant stat: 5-17. Cousin's red zone accuracy thus far this season.

That's a great stat - I agree. And for all of the crazy talk going on about Cousins right now, that's a really accurate stat that tells you specifically where he's struggling.

Totally agree and fits in with all the data I have provided. Cousins is fine until he gets close. And doesn't he have 2 INTs in the red zone? That makes it even worse. A QB that can't execute in the redzone is worthless.

Our DEF needs to step up in all areas and Cousins needs to improve his redzone efficiency in order for us to get in games.

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:I'll give you a relevant stat: 5-17. Cousin's red zone accuracy thus far this season.

Definitely needs to improve going forward.

I've heard people talking recently that where Cousins has been good is in getting rid of the ball quickly and accurately. Where he struggles is in extending the play and going off script. Its a solid criticism because you can see how it affects the game. He's really good in that first 70 yards of the field where he's basically running the plays as designed. In the final 20-30 where the field gets condensed and he may have to improvise, not so much.

I guess my question is: is that something fixable? Or is it one of those things that will always separate him from a guy like Roethlisberger?

riggofan wrote:I've heard people talking recently that where Cousins has been good is in getting rid of the ball quickly and accurately. Where he struggles is in extending the play and going off script. Its a solid criticism because you can see how it affects the game. He's really good in that first 70 yards of the field where he's basically running the plays as designed. In the final 20-30 where the field gets condensed and he may have to improvise, not so much.

I guess my question is: is that something fixable? Or is it one of those things that will always separate him from a guy like Roethlisberger?

Cousins was phenomenal at it last season. Without looking it up, I think he completed somewhere around 67% of his red zone passes last year.

markshark84 wrote:Cousins is fine until he gets close.

Not really. He's also blown it from far away - many times and horribly so.

"Enjoy."

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Run Offense = 31st @ 70 ypg

Pass Offense = 2nd @ 330.7 ypg

Total Offense = 5th @ 406.3 ypg

Offensive Yards Per Point = 24th

Offensive Red Zone Efficiency = 31st

3rd Down = 18th



Run Defense = 27th @ 123 ypg

Pass Defense = 28th @ 301.7 ypg

Total Defense = 31st @ 424.7 ypg

Defensive Yards Per Point = 24th

Defensive red Zone Efficiency = 22nd

3rd Down = 32nd



Not scoring enough for the yards we are gaining - but guys are getting open and we are gaining tons.

Giving up way too many 3rd-and-longs.

Still getting run on.

riggofan wrote:I've heard people talking recently that where Cousins has been good is in getting rid of the ball quickly and accurately. Where he struggles is in extending the play and going off script. Its a solid criticism because you can see how it affects the game. He's really good in that first 70 yards of the field where he's basically running the plays as designed. In the final 20-30 where the field gets condensed and he may have to improvise, not so much.

I guess my question is: is that something fixable? Or is it one of those things that will always separate him from a guy like Roethlisberger?

This has been a criticism of Cousins ever since he became QB1. And I think there is something to it. He seems like a "structure" type guy and less of the classic gunslinger like Favre was. I would love to know what Cousins' passing stats are based on how many seconds he has the ball before it is thrown. Not sure if there is a stat like that out there.

As far as it being fixable, anyone can improve on anything, but it appears that improvisation is something you are sort of born with.

DarthMonk wrote:Offensive Red Zone Efficiency = 31st

Ouch!

riggofan wrote:

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:I'll give you a relevant stat: 5-17. Cousin's red zone accuracy thus far this season.

That's a great stat - I agree. And for all of the crazy talk going on about Cousins right now, that's a really accurate stat that tells you specifically where he's struggling.

You can't ONLY blame that on him. When you're in the red zone, and you have no running game, you're issues with places to pass the ball are multiplied. Defenders have less field to cover, and teams are more likely to blitz. Also, Kirk is still in a stage of his career of strictly going through his progressions for the play that's called.

So, if there are 5 receivers, and no threat of the run, you have 5 receivers vs 7 or 8 Defenders, enclosed in a 10-30 yard box. A play is called that has kirk go through receivers 1 through 5 and throwing to the one that's open at the time he gets to that read, if he has time. So if reed is his 4th option on a play and is originally open, but kirk sees a hole to fit a ball in on option 2, he will likely not see reed open.

Now as he gets more experience, and hopefully the coaches do a better job at play calling in the endzone, either they will run plays that result in option 1 or 2 being the wide open guy, or kirk gets better at recognizing defenses to know he has to change the progression himself.

So yes, he needs to play better, but a lot of it is lack of a run threat, a shorter field, playcalling, and experience.