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Skins sign six of their draft picks

Posted: Mon May 09, 2016 12:15 pm
by Irn-Bru
Not really news in the current system, where rookies are basically assigned a contract based on draft position.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000 ... ther-picks

The Washington Redskins inked first-round receiver Josh Doctson.

The No. 22 overall pick was one of six Redskins draftees to sign their deals on Monday. Safety Su'a Cravens, defensive tackle Matt Ioannidis, quarterback Nate Sudfeld, linebacker Steven Daniels and running back Keith Marshall also signed their rookie contracts.

The 6-foot-2 Doctson was a semi-surprise pick for a Redskins squad deep at receiver, but general manager Scot McCloughan insisted he went with best player available on his draft board. The rookie wideout adds to the cadre of weapons surrounding Kirk Cousins. Given the quarterback's physical limitations, providing as many diverse targets as possible will aid Washington's attempt to repeat as NFC East champions.

With Pierre Garcon and DeSean Jackson entering contract years, Doctson adds insurance if either or both of the veterans are let go in the next 10 months. Doctson, Jamison Crowder -- who impressed as a rookie -- and tight end stud Jordan Reed provide the Redskins a solid pass-catching foundation for the future.

Re: Skins sign six of their draft picks

Posted: Tue May 10, 2016 8:12 am
by Burgundy&GoldForever
I don't think we'll have to wait until next season to see Doctson's impact. He'll make an excellent red zone target. Kirk Cousins has to be practically drooling at the prospect of having Reed, Doctson, and Davis as red zone targets.

Re: Skins sign six of their draft picks

Posted: Tue May 10, 2016 9:17 am
by Sonny9TD
:) I do believe this Lloyd Carrington signing could be an an answer at safety. He ran a 4.6 40 which is borderline CB speed but strong safety would be a perfect match for this guy.

Re: Skins sign six of their draft picks

Posted: Tue May 10, 2016 9:32 am
by riggofan
Sonny9TD wrote::) I do believe this Lloyd Carrington signing could be an an answer at safety. He ran a 4.6 40 which is borderline CB speed but strong safety would be a perfect match for this guy.


Interesting. I saw that we'd signed this CB yesterday, but had not looked at the details. Anything more we can do to address safety and provide some decent depth at those positions would be huge.

6'1" 195 lbs
Lloyd Carrington, CB, Arizona State: He didn’t start playing football until his senior year of high school so he’s only played corner for four years. He transferred from Pitt to Arizona State after his freshman season. Carrington was a full-time starter the last two years and was named a captain last spring. He also earned awards for his work ethic. Carrington started 29 games and intercepted three passes in college.

Re: Skins sign six of their draft picks

Posted: Tue May 10, 2016 9:53 am
by Burgundy&GoldForever
Sonny9TD wrote::) I do believe this Lloyd Carrington signing could be an an answer at safety. He ran a 4.6 40 which is borderline CB speed but strong safety would be a perfect match for this guy.


Perhaps but since the team drafted Sua Cravens for the strong safety role I'd venture he will be filling that role. :wink:

Re: Skins sign six of their draft picks

Posted: Tue May 10, 2016 10:57 am
by Sonny9TD
I think Cravens will be playing linebacker. Below is a review of Steven Daniels who is good at the run and plays in front of him but doesn't have the speed to cover backs and TE they are saying. Daniels ran a 4.8 40 but he decides quickly which makes up for lack of desired speed but Cravens was drafted for 3rd down passing situations at the very least. Both are linebackers but who is to say Cravens will not play safety. I think he could for sure.

However, in Washington, he’s unlikely to have to do that. They drafted Su’a Cravens in the second round to fill that role. Daniels’s coverage responsibilities will likely be limited to underneath zones in the Redskins cover-three base scheme. He shows a good feel for zone coverage and can play the hook-to-curl zones that an inside linebacker is responsible for in cover-three.

Here is the article: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/foo ... n-daniels/


Here is the low down on Carrington: http://www.redskins.com/news-and-events ... 8855276653

Re: Skins sign six of their draft picks

Posted: Tue May 10, 2016 11:18 am
by Burgundy&GoldForever
Sonny9TD wrote:I think Cravens will be playing linebacker. Below is a review of Steven Daniels who is good at the run and plays in front of him but doesn't have the speed to cover backs and TE they are saying. Daniels ran a 4.8 40 but he decides quickly which makes up for lack of desired speed but Cravens was drafted for 3rd down passing situations at the very least. Both are linebackers but who is to say Cravens will not play safety. I think he could for sure.

However, in Washington, he’s unlikely to have to do that. They drafted Su’a Cravens in the second round to fill that role. Daniels’s coverage responsibilities will likely be limited to underneath zones in the Redskins cover-three base scheme. He shows a good feel for zone coverage and can play the hook-to-curl zones that an inside linebacker is responsible for in cover-three.

Here is the article: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/foo ... n-daniels/


If the team wasted a 2nd round draft pick on a situational 3rd down linebacker I'll be changing my mind about giving Scot McCloughan the benefit of the doubt. Furthermore, there is about a zero percent chance the team starts a 7th round draft pick over Riley, Compton, and Foster. Spaight is also healthy and will undoubtedly be given an opportunity to demonstrate the ability for which he was drafted last season. There's as much chance Daniels ends up on the practice squad as the active roster. Finally, no one in their right mind would start Duke Ihenacho or David Bruton at strong safety over Su'a Cravens.

There is no logic which would convince me the team would start Daniels at linebacker and not start Cravens at strong safety.

Barring injury, if a) Cravens does not open the season at strong safety or b) Daniels opens the season as a starting inside linebacker I'll eat a Dallas Cowboys hat.

Re: Skins sign six of their draft picks

Posted: Tue May 10, 2016 11:59 am
by Sonny9TD
Don't know about who will be making the team but Cravens at the moment is a linebacker. but things may change

In recent years, NFL teams have taken these hybrid-type defensive players and have played them in the box primarily, while also matching them up in pass coverage with tight ends and backs. The Arizona Cardinals’ success in 2014 with Deone Bucannon started the trend.
Cravens said that Redskins coaches told him that they plan on using him in this same role, and said they described it as “dime linebacker.”

Re: Skins sign six of their draft picks

Posted: Tue May 10, 2016 12:31 pm
by Burgundy&GoldForever
Sonny9TD wrote:Don't know about who will be making the team but Cravens at the moment is a linebacker.


No, he isn't. He has #36, a defensive back number and even the team's official roster has him listed as a safety.

http://www.redskins.com/team/roster.html

So, where are you getting that?

Re: Skins sign six of their draft picks

Posted: Tue May 10, 2016 12:39 pm
by Countertrey
Sonny9TD wrote:I think Cravens will be playing linebacker. Below is a review of Steven Daniels who is good at the run and plays in front of him but doesn't have the speed to cover backs and TE they are saying. Daniels ran a 4.8 40 but he decides quickly which makes up for lack of desired speed but Cravens was drafted for 3rd down passing situations at the very least. Both are linebackers but who is to say Cravens will not play safety. I think he could for sure.

However, in Washington, he’s unlikely to have to do that. They drafted Su’a Cravens in the second round to fill that role. Daniels’s coverage responsibilities will likely be limited to underneath zones in the Redskins cover-three base scheme. He shows a good feel for zone coverage and can play the hook-to-curl zones that an inside linebacker is responsible for in cover-three.

Here is the article: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/foo ... n-daniels/


Here is the low down on Carrington: http://www.redskins.com/news-and-events ... 8855276653

Cravens was BPA... was drafted where he was for that reason, not to play a role... and Scot has called him a safety. I expect he'll ultimately play SS on run downs, and move to Dime LB on pass downs, though his "break in" will be as teams and dime linebacker. His textbook tackling will not allow him to be hidden on the bench.

Re: Skins sign six of their draft picks

Posted: Tue May 10, 2016 2:53 pm
by Sonny9TD
"So, where are you getting that?"

From this article.

Redskins draft USC’s Su’a Cravens in second round to add play-making ‘dime linebacker’

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/foo ... fety-need/

I'd like to see him at safety. I think he would be a good one but I'm just repeating what the article said he was drafted as.

Re: Skins sign six of their draft picks

Posted: Tue May 10, 2016 3:06 pm
by Burgundy&GoldForever
Sonny9TD wrote:"So, where are you getting that?"

From this article.

Redskins draft USC’s Su’a Cravens in second round to add play-making ‘dime linebacker’

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/foo ... fety-need/

I'd like to see him at safety. I think he would be a good one but I'm just repeating what the article said he was drafted as.


I can't read that. I hit the monthly limit about a week ago. 8-[

If you want to quote the good stuff that would be helpful. :wink:

I know there was some mention of Cravens playing linebacker on passing downs but there are two things about that which make no sense:

1) Someone else would have to play his position on those downs, meaning you lose his tackling in the secondary on obvious passing downs.

2) He'd have to report every down he plays out of position, alerting the other team to where he is on the field.

Re: Skins sign six of their draft picks

Posted: Tue May 10, 2016 3:21 pm
by DarthMonk
Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:2) He'd have to report every down he plays out of position, alerting the other team to where he is on the field.


Really ?? :hmm:

Re: Skins sign six of their draft picks

Posted: Tue May 10, 2016 3:27 pm
by SkinsJock
FWIW ...

Speaking on the attributes that drew the Redskins to Cravens, coach Jay Gruden said, “There’s not a lot of things he can’t do. He’s a play-maker. When you’re talking about defensive football nowadays, you want to find guys that can do multiple things, and be versatile in what they do, and figure out ways to get the ball back for your offense, and he’s one of the top guys at his position. … He’s got position flex, he’s a turnover machine, he can contribute on special teams, obviously, he can play in the box at linebacker, we think he might be able to play some safety. Once we get him in the building, we’ll figure out where to put him on the field.”

Re: Skins sign six of their draft picks

Posted: Tue May 10, 2016 3:53 pm
by Sonny9TD
In a little over 12 months, Scot McCloughan & this FO have completely changed the culture and attitude of the Redskins
In the past 2 drafts, no club did more with less - HAIL to the Redskins

Dam@ straight.

Re: Skins sign six of their draft picks

Posted: Tue May 10, 2016 3:55 pm
by Burgundy&GoldForever
DarthMonk wrote:
Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:2) He'd have to report every down he plays out of position, alerting the other team to where he is on the field.


Really ?? :hmm:


I was mistaken on that. Only eligible receivers have to report now.

Re: Skins sign six of their draft picks

Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 8:32 am
by Deadskins
Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:
DarthMonk wrote:
Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:2) He'd have to report every down he plays out of position, alerting the other team to where he is on the field.


Really ?? :hmm:


I was mistaken on that. Only eligible receivers have to report now.

Now? Try ever. And it's only OTs that have ever had to report as an eligible receiver.

Re: Skins sign six of their draft picks

Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 9:18 am
by Burgundy&GoldForever
Deadskins wrote:Now? Try ever. And it's only OTs that have ever had to report as an eligible receiver.


Not exactly true. I never said "report as an eligible receiver."

Re: Skins sign six of their draft picks

Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 10:29 am
by Deadskins
Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:
Deadskins wrote:Now? Try ever. And it's only OTs that have ever had to report as an eligible receiver.


Not exactly true. I never said "report as an eligible receiver."

Seems like you did.

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:
DarthMonk wrote:
Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:2) He'd have to report every down he plays out of position, alerting the other team to where he is on the field.


Really ?? :hmm:


I was mistaken on that. Only eligible receivers have to report now.

Re: Skins sign six of their draft picks

Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 5:09 pm
by Sonny9TD
If somebody can step up an give us a pass rush we might just be a serious threat. Maybe one of the draft picks in the 5th or 7th or maybe Trent Murphy busts out or Ryan or someone but we need someone to get in the face of the QB in a bad way.

Re: Skins sign six of their draft picks

Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 5:48 pm
by Burgundy&GoldForever
Sonny9TD wrote:If somebody can step up an give us a pass rush we might just be a serious threat. Maybe one of the draft picks in the 5th or 7th or maybe Trent Murphy busts out or Ryan or someone but we need someone to get in the face of the QB in a bad way.


I think the pass rush will be there with Kerrigan, Galette, Preston, Bates. It's stopping the run that has me concerned.

Re: Skins sign six of their draft picks

Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 7:17 pm
by Countertrey
Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:
Sonny9TD wrote:If somebody can step up an give us a pass rush we might just be a serious threat. Maybe one of the draft picks in the 5th or 7th or maybe Trent Murphy busts out or Ryan or someone but we need someone to get in the face of the QB in a bad way.


I think the pass rush will be there with Kerrigan, Galette, Preston, Bates. It's stopping the run that has me concerned.
=D>

Re: Skins sign six of their draft picks

Posted: Thu May 12, 2016 10:32 am
by SkinsJock
+1 - pressure on the QB or having better pass defense is not near as big a concern for this D in 2016 as being a lot better run defense

Re: Skins sign six of their draft picks

Posted: Thu May 12, 2016 10:49 am
by Sonny9TD
Great work by the GM