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Skins tag Cousins, Cousins signs tender
Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2016 4:09 pm
by Irn-Bru
We have till July to work out a long-term deal, or else he plays under the tag this year.
I hope they get it done. Would love to know that he's locked in for several years, but I'm guessing that some additional time probably helps the Redskins negotiate a better rate.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14876 ... rk-cousins
Re: Skins use Nonexclusive Franchise Tag on Cousins
Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2016 4:58 pm
by DarthMonk
Irn-Bru wrote:We have till July to work out a long-term deal, or else he plays under the tag this year.
I hope they get it done. Would love to know that he's locked in for several years, but I'm guessing that some additional time probably helps the Redskins negotiate a better rate.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14876 ... rk-cousins
What teams might conceivably surrender 2 1st-round picks in order to sign the captain?
Re: Skins use Nonexclusive Franchise Tag on Cousins
Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2016 5:03 pm
by riggofan
Two first rounders? Nobody.
Nice haul for KC though!
$38,824: What Kirk Cousins made per in-season week last year
$1,173,706: What Kirk Cousins will make per in-season week this year
For a solid performance last year and especially for all of the s*** he took from people over the past two years, I say: "Good for you, young man. Now get us back to the playoffs in 16!"
Re: Skins use Nonexclusive Franchise Tag on Cousins
Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2016 6:16 pm
by GFlanagan3
there is no sense in NOT getting a deal done. Cap'n proved his worth and if we can spend money one Haynesworthless and his ilk without much return we can surely get a QB in here and grow the franchise around him.
Re: Skins use Nonexclusive Franchise Tag on Cousins
Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2016 7:01 pm
by OldSchool
This is a good first step and like others here I am very happy for this young man. He earned this day through all his hard work developing his talent during the last four years with the Redskins and his 5 years at Michigan State. Hopefully, the Redskins and Cousins can put together a good long term deal soon and Kirk will be able to devote all of his attention to working with his teammates preparing for 2016 and beyond.
As for other suitors I think there will be several. Kirk has proven to the Redskins and I believe many other franchises he is a franchise pocket passing QB on the field in 2015 so I think several will vie for his services. If I was a GM needing a franchise QB I'd much rather give Cousins a fat contract and the Skins 2 first rounders than take a chance in the draft.
I think the Skins paid Griffin 25M over 4 years so drafting one of the top QBs in the draft is expensive as well as very risky. If a team has the cap room signing Cousins to 5 year 100M dollar deal with 50M guaranteed looks less risky than giving a rookie a 4 year 25M dollar deal. In my view most likely outcome of such a deal is Cousins is average or better than average whereas a rookie could be an embarrassing bust like so many others and you may have to giveaway another first rounder to move up and draft the one you want.
Re: Skins use Nonexclusive Franchise Tag on Cousins
Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2016 8:05 pm
by tribeofjudah
Cousins...........AIN'T gonna sign elsewhere.!!!
He wants to stay where he is wanted.
He knows he is WANTED right here.
Nice payday for you Spartan....!!!
Re: Skins use Nonexclusive Franchise Tag on Cousins
Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2016 9:05 am
by DEHog
DarthMonk wrote:Irn-Bru wrote:We have till July to work out a long-term deal, or else he plays under the tag this year.
I hope they get it done. Would love to know that he's locked in for several years, but I'm guessing that some additional time probably helps the Redskins negotiate a better rate.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14876 ... rk-cousins
What teams might conceivably surrender 2 1st-round picks in order to sign the captain?
I read an article about Denver maybe being the only team to give up that much for Cousins. The reasoning was because they are picking in the 32 slot this year. But they may not have the cap room with all the defensive free agents they have, Miller was just tagged leaving Osweiler to test FA… I think a lot hinges on what Osweiler will bring in FA market. Still I just don’t see anyone giving up that much?
Re: Skins use Nonexclusive Franchise Tag on Cousins
Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2016 10:03 am
by OldSchool
DEHog wrote:DarthMonk wrote:Irn-Bru wrote:We have till July to work out a long-term deal, or else he plays under the tag this year.
I hope they get it done. Would love to know that he's locked in for several years, but I'm guessing that some additional time probably helps the Redskins negotiate a better rate.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14876 ... rk-cousins
What teams might conceivably surrender 2 1st-round picks in order to sign the captain?
I read an article about Denver maybe being the only team to give up that much for Cousins. The reasoning was because they are picking in the 32 slot this year. But they may not have the cap room with all the defensive free agents they have, Miller was just tagged leaving Osweiler to test FA… I think a lot hinges on what Osweiler will bring in FA market. Still I just don’t see anyone giving up that much?
I think Denver will extend Osweiler but if they have the cap room to sign Cousins why would they let 2 draft choice stand in their way? They have a Superbowl roster now so the time is now for Denver. If they could back fill Manning with Cousins a younger stronger arm Denver would be primed for a Super Bowl run. Kirk Cousins may not have a HOF career like Payton Manning but right now Kirk has a much better arm and Payton stepping down would free up enough space for a big contract. I think they like Osweiler but if they aren't really sold on him it would make a lot of sense for Denver to make a run at Cousins and given all that Denver has to offer why wouldn't Cousins be willing to sign an offer sheet?
Re: Skins use Nonexclusive Franchise Tag on Cousins
Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2016 10:08 am
by Burgundy&GoldForever
DEHog wrote:DarthMonk wrote:Irn-Bru wrote:We have till July to work out a long-term deal, or else he plays under the tag this year.
I hope they get it done. Would love to know that he's locked in for several years, but I'm guessing that some additional time probably helps the Redskins negotiate a better rate.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14876 ... rk-cousins
What teams might conceivably surrender 2 1st-round picks in order to sign the captain?
I read an article about Denver maybe being the only team to give up that much for Cousins. The reasoning was because they are picking in the 32 slot this year. But they may not have the cap room with all the defensive free agents they have, Miller was just tagged leaving Osweiler to test FA… I think a lot hinges on what Osweiler will bring in FA market. Still I just don’t see anyone giving up that much?
Zero percent chance Denver or anyone else gives up two 1st round draft picks plus a contract the Redskins won't match.
Re: Skins use Nonexclusive Franchise Tag on Cousins
Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2016 11:12 am
by SkinsJock
we are so fortunate to have a FO that will find a way to keep Cousins but not put themselves in a position that hurts the franchise financially
this FO is not signing any player to a contract that binds them to that player if he does not continue to improve
Unlike baseball, this FO will NOT pay players or sign contracts based on what the players have done - it's all about what the player will do
Re: Skins use Nonexclusive Franchise Tag on Cousins
Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2016 2:31 pm
by DarthMonk
DEHog wrote:I read an article about Denver maybe being the only team to give up that much for Cousins. The reasoning was because they are picking in the 32 slot this year. But they may not have the cap room with all the defensive free agents they have, Miller was just tagged leaving Osweiler to test FA… I think a lot hinges on what Osweiler will bring in FA market. Still I just don’t see anyone giving up that much?
I heard Denver floated on the radio as well. For them it's more like two 2nd rounders.
OldSchool wrote:I think Denver will extend Osweiler but if they have the cap room to sign Cousins why would they let 2 draft choice stand in their way? They have a Superbowl roster now so the time is now for Denver. If they could back fill Manning with Cousins a younger stronger arm Denver would be primed for a Super Bowl run. Kirk Cousins may not have a HOF career like Payton Manning but right now Kirk has a much better arm and Payton stepping down would free up enough space for a big contract. I think they like Osweiler but if they aren't really sold on him it would make a lot of sense for Denver to make a run at Cousins and given all that Denver has to offer why wouldn't Cousins be willing to sign an offer sheet?
I certainly think Kirk Cousins could have won the Super Bowl game had he played instead of Manning.
My comparable for Kirk Cousins used to be Bernie Kosar ... now it's Bart Starr.
Re: Skins tag Cousins, Cousins signs tender
Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2016 11:30 am
by Irn-Bru
Update: Cousins signed his tenure. Made sure he would be able to show up at facility, work out, do OTAs, etc.
Here's hoping we can lock him down with a long-term deal before July.
Re: Skins tag Cousins, Cousins signs tender
Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2016 2:06 pm
by SkinsJock
Old School was wrong .... again
Cousins wasn't looking for 'offers' from all these so called suitors - give me a break - Cousins is not stupid enough to take a huge deal here and affect this franchise financially like Flacco did - he's not a top tier QB - he's going to get a good deal and a chance to show what he's got
most importantly - he's playing QB for the Redskins
Re: Skins tag Cousins, Cousins signs tender
Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2016 5:06 pm
by DarthMonk
I once heard a smart guy say "Big money doesn't change anybody ... it makes them more of what they already are.
Haynesworth was already a lazy bum. The big money made him more so.
Cousins is a hard worker who improves. He will work even harder and improve even more.
Think Bart Starr with muscles.
Re: Skins tag Cousins, Cousins signs tender
Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2016 11:34 pm
by hitmandm
KC is not a 20m QB. He couldn't wait to sign that offer because his agent knew no one would give him that. Other teams make fun of him because they know he is not a franchise QB.
Re: Skins tag Cousins, Cousins signs tender
Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2016 9:52 am
by OldSchool
I am very please Kirk opted to sign the tender because I think it means he really is happy in Washington and probably the Skins & Cousins are already closer to conclude a long term deal than rumored in the media. If Kirk and his agent felt the Skins were miles apart on a long term package they would have shopped around to force the issue. Now Washington has 20 million committed for 1 year I think it is a much smaller step for the Skins to decide to commit another 20-25M as part of a 5 year 100M package by July.
This is great news! Kirk is secure in the fold and back on the job tuning up with his teammates for a championship run in 2016. By championship run I mean another division tittle, bigger things are probably are probably 2 or 3 seasons away. Happy days!
Re: Skins tag Cousins, Cousins signs tender
Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2016 11:09 am
by SkinsJock
It's simple - Cousins camp knew they not getting to "shop" Cousins around - they want a long term deal that pays their guy more than the market value - The Redskins are happy to pay $20M
or more as soon as Cousins clearly shows that he will play QB at an elite level
Cousins now gets to play for a lot of money and choose between long term security at a good $ amount
OR
take a chance and play a season and clearly show that he's worth elite QB $ ... or not
many felt that Cousins had the FO right where he wanted them and he was going to get a huge deal out of this FO - that's just not true at all
Cousins should take the long term deal, it will pay him a lot of money to be the good NFL QB he is
Re: Skins tag Cousins, Cousins signs tender
Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2016 11:26 am
by riggofan
SkinsJock wrote:It's simple - Cousins camp knew they not getting to "shop" Cousins around - they want a long term deal that pays their guy more than the market value - The Redskins are happy to pay $20M or more as soon as Cousins clearly shows that he will play QB at an elite level
They're not bothering to shop Cousins around because he's been franchise tagged, and they know nobody is giving up two first round picks to match that offer.
Re: Skins tag Cousins, Cousins signs tender
Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2016 11:30 am
by DarthMonk
I think sticker shock is at play.
Re: Skins tag Cousins, Cousins signs tender
Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2016 12:29 pm
by Countertrey
hitmandm wrote:KC is not a 20m QB.
well... he's not. He's a 19.9m quarterback...
Re: Skins tag Cousins, Cousins signs tender
Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2016 12:49 pm
by SkinsJock
riggofan wrote:SkinsJock wrote:It's simple - Cousins camp knew they not getting to "shop" Cousins around - they want a long term deal that pays their guy more than the market value - The Redskins are happy to pay $20M or more as soon as Cousins clearly shows that he will play QB at an elite level
They're not bothering to shop Cousins around because he's been franchise tagged, and they know nobody is giving up two first round picks to match that offer.
the past 2 months, there was never any doubt that the Redskins were going to have Cousins as the QB here this season
nobody (with any sense) thought that another franchise might have a shot at trading for him
IMO this FO is handling this very well - any reports of Cousins (and his agents) having the upper hand in negotiations are
stupid - the Redskins are NOT going to give Cousins a long term deal at an elite QB level until he clearly shows that he's worth it - he has not done that
Cousins should take the long term 'good' deal ...
I'd love it if he played a season at $19.9M & showed he's worth $25M - I just can't see that happening but it would be great for the Redskins
WIN - WIN for this FO
Re: Skins tag Cousins, Cousins signs tender
Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2016 10:01 pm
by EA7649
Imo most he will be offered is 3 maybe 4 years 18 min per
Re: Skins tag Cousins, Cousins signs tender
Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2016 10:50 pm
by Burgundy&GoldForever
Countertrey wrote:hitmandm wrote:KC is not a 20m QB.
well... he's not. He's a 19.9m quarterback...
Re: Skins tag Cousins, Cousins signs tender
Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2016 2:08 pm
by riggofan
EA7649 wrote:Imo most he will be offered is 3 maybe 4 years 18 min per
Just looking at what Bradford got and what they Broncos are offering Osweiler, I think you're on the right track. Though I think it would be a 5 year deal with only 3 guaranteed or whatever.
Re: Skins tag Cousins, Cousins signs tender
Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2016 4:11 pm
by riggofan
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/foo ... s-in-2016/General manager Scot McCloughan reiterated on Tuesday that the Redskins would like a long-term deal with Cousins, who has already signed the tender. McCloughan expects Cousins to be at the facility for offseason activities while his agent, Mike McCartney, and the Redskins continue talks over the next few months.
“Kirk is a really good person, he’s not in it just to get the money, and we talked about this,” McCloughan said. “He wants to be a Redskin. He wants to understand that it’s his team and we’re going to go do special things. He wants to be the quarterback and you know as a person, I respect that so much because I’ve been around players in the past that were all worried about just the money. He’s not.”