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Really interesting read on Cousins' performance this year, what he might sign for, and more.

http://overthecap.com/projecting-kirk-c ... -redskins/

I think he's being too optimistic about how little Cousins will sign for. The numbers he's talking about (basically somewhere between Foles and Dalton) were what I was hoping for about the middle of last season. My guess is he's played well enough, and there are enough QB-hungry teams out there, to force the Redskins into paying more. As long as we don't pay a top-tier deal (comparable to, say, Tony Romo or above), or franchise tag him, I think I'll be OK with it.

Thanks FFA - interesting piece ...

I do not agree that this FO is looking to put together a group that will contend for the Super Bowl - every team wants to go there but this FO is more focused on making things right here again and digging this franchise out of a huge hole that Dan Snyder put us in


I do think that Cousins has earned a decent contract and that the FO will do that

Cousins should be aware that if he's perceived to be getting more than he's worth, the more pressure he puts on himself to play to that level
not that that's a bad thing, mind you ... last season he was very motivated to prove himself - be great to see him lift his game some more

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Redskins and QB Kirk Cousins have broken off contract talks, per team source. No further talks scheduled.

Cousins and his agents are just doing their due diligence and making sure they get a good deal done here ... these guys do not want a huge deal that hurts the Redskins financially - Cousins will be crucified by the fans if he gets a contract that limits what the FO can do to improve

The Redskins FO and Cousins will get a deal done that is good for both - R E L A X

SkinsJock wrote:Cousins and his agents are just doing their due diligence and making sure they get a good deal done here ... these guys do not want a huge deal that hurts the Redskins financially - Cousins will be crucified by the fans if he gets a contract that limits what the FO can do to improve

The Redskins FO and Cousins will get a deal done that is good for both - R E L A X

He's getting franchise tagged. It doesn't benefit the team to give him a long term contract based on one season. Not even a middle of the road contract. We can't afford to piss away three more seasons on a quarterback who doesn't get the job done. That would be Scot McCloughan's and Jay Gruden's jobs if it fell through. One year of prove it benefits the team more than guaranteeing anything beyond next season. It's also a good time to remind people we have no backup on the roster, so if they pay Cousins and he gets injured they're paying him for nothing like they did RGIII for two seasons. Fool me once ...

I also don't see Cousins' agent agreeing to anything in the form of a hometown discount. There's no reason why he should. There are some thirsty teams out there who will be more than willing to overpay him based on one season.

We shouldn't be one of them.

There is no way Kirk Cousins is going to sign for 10-12M a year now. That might have sounded attractive in October or November but not after the way he closed. I can't imagine the Skins failing to tag Cousins but there If they don't he's definitely gone because that would be a vote of no confidence that would unacceptable to a guy who was forced to sit behind the owners favorite for 3 years. So I assume he gets the non exclusive tag which guarantees him 20M and permits Cousins agent to field offer sheets from other franchises. Cousins is too smart to sign with a losing organization just to get an extra 20%, a lot of knuckleheads might but not someone as smart and disciplined as Cousins. The franchise that might make a generous offer and get their offer sheet signed is Denver. Osweiler doesn't look like a suitable replacement for Payton so I doubt they pull the tag on him before courting Kirk. I wish the Skins would just swallow hard and give Kirk a long term deal and be done with it.

this FO will do whatever it takes to make sure that Cousins is playing here next season - they will not risk losing him

that would be a very stupid mistake and if you think that is happening then you are stupid as well

Cousins and his agent will want the best deal possible, no worries - They also know they will not get a deal from this FO that hurts the franchise


some here are really underestimating Scot & the FO PLUS Cousins desire to play here

like I said - R E L A X - this will all be fine - this FO knows what it's doing - they are in control of all this - they will not let Cousins go

Contract negotiations are a game just like everything else. Really no need to get all worked up about the posturing that goes on during the process.

btw Story from PFT this morning on the report that talks had broken off:

A source with knowledge of the situation tells PFT that the two sides have not stopped talking, contrary to an ESPN report that talks have ended.

The source was adamant, and it’s unclear why someone would leak that the talks had stopped when they haven’t. From the team’s perspective, leaking that talks were broken off when in fact they weren’t would amount to a show of force aimed at creating the impression that the organization will walk if it needs to — or that it will apply the franchise tag if it chooses to. From the player’s persecutive, leaking that the team broke off talks would let other teams know that Cousins could be available (perhaps generating offers that would pressure Washington to offer more). Also, it would potentially generate support from fans, the media, and teammates for Washington to put more on the table.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... off-talks/

riggofan wrote:Contract negotiations are a game just like everything else. Really no need to get all worked up about the posturing that goes on ...

exactly - I'm kind of glad I don't have to listen to all the BS that is going on down there

this is simple - both sides know that Cousins is playing here in 2016

riggofan wrote:Contract negotiations are a game just like everything else. Really no need to get all worked up about the posturing that goes on during the process.

I don't think anyone is getting all worked up. But Cousins is getting paid. To even pretend a 27 year old quarterback doesn't want a "financial security" contract after playing last season for $660k is ridiculous on face. Market value says Cousins is worth more than Foles and Dalton because not only do his numbers say so but the law of supply and demand says so. Cousins has absolutely no reason to take less than the franchise tag. The Redskins need him more than he needs them, and he knows it. Cousins needs $19.5MM guaranteed now more than he needs a long-term partially guaranteed contract that requires him to remain healthy for multiple seasons to collect.

If anyone is posturing it's the Redskins.

5-6 years, $90M - $110M, $30M - $40M guaranteed.

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:

riggofan wrote:Contract negotiations are a game just like everything else. Really no need to get all worked up about the posturing that goes on during the process.

I don't think anyone is getting all worked up. But Cousins is getting paid. To even pretend a 27 year old quarterback doesn't want a "financial security" contract after playing last season for $660k is ridiculous on face. Market value says Cousins is worth more than Foles and Dalton because not only do his numbers say so but the law of supply and demand says so. Cousins has absolutely no reason to take less than the franchise tag. The Redskins need him more than he needs them, and he knows it. Cousins needs $19.5MM guaranteed now more than he needs a long-term partially guaranteed contract that requires him to remain healthy for multiple seasons to collect..

Go spend 15 minutes on twitter. Plenty of people are getting worked up when Schefter writes that negotiations have "broken off". Wasn't accusing anybody here specifically.

DarthMonk wrote:5-6 years, $90M - $110M, $30M - $40M guaranteed.

I don't have a clue as far as the $ are concerned - certainly not up to DM's level anyway

I just think that Cousins did what he had do to get a good contract and the Redskins will give him one

This FO and the Cousins camp are not putting a contract together that hurts the franchise either

fact is they don't have to - Cousins earned a good contract and he will get it but it will not be a huge deal because it doesn't have to be

riggofan wrote:Go spend 15 minutes on twitter.

Why am I being punished?

What I don't understand is why so many fans act like it's their money being spent. Do they seriously think the extra $2.5MM to $5.0MM by trying to be cheap with Cousins is going to fix everything wrong with this roster?

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:

riggofan wrote:Go spend 15 minutes on twitter.

Why am I being punished?

hah. I hear you!

Scot and Bruce are going to be prudent, and make the best possible of this situation... Cousins will be playing here next year...and, I think, most likely with the Franchise tag. Nothing about tagging him means that contract talks need to stop. The bottom line, however, is that the Redskins are not going to place themselves in cap hell again.

Countertrey wrote:Scot and Bruce are going to be prudent, and make the best possible of this situation... Cousins will be playing here next year...and, I think, most likely with the Franchise tag. Nothing about tagging him means that contract talks need to stop. The bottom line, however, is that the Redskins are not going to place themselves in cap hell again.

This.

Countertrey wrote:Scot and Bruce are going to be prudent, and make the best possible of this situation... Cousins will be playing here next year...and, I think, most likely with the Franchise tag. Nothing about tagging him means that contract talks need to stop.

You're 100% right, it doesn't at all. I thought Tandler wrote a good piece about this yesterday. Suggested that the best thing for the team and the player might be to tag him, watch the contracts play out with Bradford and Osweiler, and still look to negotiate early this summer. There's no reason for us to be the ones to jump out and set the market value for QBs.

the important things to know are:
Cousins will be the QB here
and
the Redskins will not (and don't have to) give him a contract that hurts their ability to continue addressing areas of need

I read somewhere on yahoo that money isn't the issue with either side. It is the structure of the contract they can't agree on.

Get it done so Kirk can focus on football and Scott can focus on the supporting cast. I don't care if the pay 20 or 30% more or they add on a couple years more than sensible. The emergence of Kirk Cousins is the best thing to happen to the Skins since the last Super Bowl.

OldSchool wrote:Get it done so Kirk can focus on football and Scott can focus on the supporting cast. I don't care if the pay 20 or 30% more or they add on a couple years more than sensible. The emergence of Kirk Cousins is the best thing to happen to the Skins since the last Super Bowl.

Nope... There is no rush to do this... they will tag him, and continue to work on the contract. This won't be any distraction to Cousins.

Countertrey wrote: There is no rush to do this... they will tag him, and continue to work on the contract. This won't be any distraction to Cousins.

EXACTLY - nobody really thinks that this might be a distraction - this is just the way things happen in the NFL

R E L A X

No matter how this plays, Cousins will earn enough this season from the team alone to wisely invest and ensure a very comfortable retirement, even if that occurs next season. Everything else is pure gravy... and he, and his agent, both know this. This young man has his head squarely on his shoulders, and will, I guarantee, have that head deep into football, if not already there.

Countertrey wrote:

OldSchool wrote:Get it done so Kirk can focus on football and Scott can focus on the supporting cast. I don't care if the pay 20 or 30% more or they add on a couple years more than sensible. The emergence of Kirk Cousins is the best thing to happen to the Skins since the last Super Bowl.

Nope... There is no rush to do this... they will tag him, and continue to work on the contract. This won't be any distraction to Cousins.

And you don't overpay. That's Dan Snyder logic.