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For some reason I was looking up some stuff about Rod Gardner and I came acrossed some old scouting reports that said he makes up for his lack of blazing speed with his exceptional hands...

I hear a lot of dropped ball complaints here, but maybe it's just the many, many, many QB's he's played with. He still is a great athelete and he still makes some really pretty grabs. I think he and Coles could be one of the best WR tandems in the NFL, and they already are the best in the NFC east

i think under gibbs system he will be the perfect fit for over the middle and moving the chains.hes not the fastest but with a solid year in this system everyone might get off his back.REDSKINZ4EVER!!!

YES. YES. YES. YES. YES. Finally someome shares my opinion. Rod Gardner definatley has the skills to get it done. It was impossible for him to excel in Spurrier's offense. It focuses on the speed receiver. And on Marty's it was run 80% of the time. But in Gibbs' offense a possesion reciever can turn out to be the best on the team. Look at Art Monk.

I agree with all of you guys. Although I think were in the minority of Redskins fans who feel this way, I think Rod Gardner is a great player. Everyone of you made valid points, and quite the contrary I do think Gardner is very fast. He's not on Laveranues's level but he can definitely burn a lot of DB's in the NFL. There is no question that Coles/Gardner is the best reciever tandem in the NFC East and one of the best in the league.

Redskins Fan 0-16 or 16-0 wrote:YES. YES. YES. YES. YES. Finally someome shares my opinion. Rod Gardner definatley has the skills to get it done. It was impossible for him to excel in Spurrier's offense. It focuses on the speed receiver. And on Marty's it was run 80% of the time. But in Gibbs' offense a possesion reciever can turn out to be the best on the team. Look at Art Monk.

yes i felt nobody else thought he was good also. he can be great under gibbs.

I agree with all of you guys as well. Rod Gardener is a very good player and athlete, buts its not about that. Its about the overload we have at wide reciever. Think about it. We are just stacked at wide reciever. If you had to cut a wide out on the roster. Then who would you cut?

Thats the question here.

I agree with you Redskins Rule.

It is a #'s game, it is a needs game and it is a money game.

I like Rod but we have to trade either him or Jacobs. Why? Beacause we can get real compensation for either player now. They are good or potentially good. They are afordable with big upsides. They might command big future contracts if they continue to develope and finally we have holes to fill. We could get players or picks at DL, TE or safety in return. We need to make tough choices.

Count me in on the RG bandwagon. I too thought I was in the minority, but judging by this here thread, maybe I was wrong.

In addition I'd like to add that I though the way he dealt with his diminshed role last season was amazing. At times last year he was pretty much demoted to a guy that got looked to 4 or 5 times a game, and three of his looks each game was that stupid screen that Spurrier ran at least twice a series.

I think he'll have a better seaon as a WR this year than he does as a QB, which I'm not sure I'd say about last year. Not that it was his fault.

-Geepz

Hey, if he can hold on to the ball this year I'll gladly change my position. But as of right now, he hasn't shown that he can be counted on to move the chains when the pressure is on. I still think he and McCants are so similar that one of them will end up being traded in the future. Whether or not it is Gardner all depends on his hands...

Even if we were to trade him. We probably could not get much for any reciver. There are so many good ones in this years draft. and to answer your Question Redskins rule. I would cut Cliff Russell. There is no room. We have enough speed and size. And now we also have enough Kick/Punt returners. We should cut him.
And Put Cloman on practice Squad, until he develops. And he can come in if someon gets hurt.

Gardner disapointed last year, but so did most of the team. Not sure if we should move him yet. I want to see what these players can do with some real coaching.

so when he's dropping critcal, first down passes next year... will you guys be singing the same tune?

Would be smart to get some value for him while we still can.....

No it would be unfair to him if we cut him now. He proved he was a 1,000 yard receiver in only his 2nd season. He had one mediocre season last year (60 catches, 600 yards is by no means a "bad" season for #2 receivers. He'll impress next season and he and Laveranues will make the best reciever tandem in the NFL. Clinton Portis' running skills will really open up the pass.

BringThePain! wrote:Would be smart to get some value for him while we still can.....

But the point is that we won't be able to get anything for him now. With this years draft being called the best ever for Wide Receivers how could you expect someone to give up a draft pick on a "not so hot" wide receiver? Teams will be able to get quality wide receivers all the way into the third round. So why give up a pick on a guy who hasn't performed well? Is getting a fourth or fifth round pick worth giving up on Gardner? Because thats about the best that we can expect to get for him.

Chad

Gardner is a better than average WR and will do well this year for the skins but with the depth we have at the postion I say trade him if we can get a 2nd round pick for him but he is better (worth more to us) than a 3rd or 4th

he dropped too many that hit him in the hands or numbers. thats unexcusable. he can do it, and has the potential to be great, but in the words of parcells, potential means you ain't done squat yet....
he won't be a starter on his rep alone this year. if he starts it'll be because he earns it. i hope he tears it up this year. i think he relaxed too much when LC arrived. he knew he wasn't going to be number 1 anymore and got slack. there won't be a slack atmosphere at redskins park for the next five years. so if rod really has it, i think we'll all find out for sure this year......if he doesn't have what it takes he'll never see the final years of his rookie contract.

How long is his contract?

This is his contract year!

Chad

Then he should have a lot to prove ...Gibbs will give him the chance

he has the 04 and 05 seasons left. i should have said last year, instead of years earlier. he cost 2.5 mil on the cap for next year. if he dosen't do well this year, he'll be cut at a cap charge of 1.1 mil. we'd save 1.4 mil by letting him go. if he does well, he'll raise his stock, for when he does become a free agent. i don't think we'll resign him when that time comes. i think he'll want something in the ballpark of number 1 WR money, and with our cap as big as it already is in 06, i just don't see it.

i like him but he is NOT worth #1 wideout money and don't see him back next year unless he has a probowl year.REDSKINZ4EVER!!!

We can always get a draft pick next year

I, myself, am on the fence with Roddy. I look at the physique, and I say "Man, that's a prototypical receiver."
I look at the hands of stone, and I think to myself, "My 13 year old could've pulled that one in."
I wonder if his problems are really coaching-related. He seems to go nuts when he gets a first down, with his little display. I'm sure I saw him do that once when he hadn't actually made the needed yardage for the first down.
To me, that's a man who... Well, I don't know. Here's my analogy.
Ever have a conversation with somebody who nodded a lot when you yourself were speaking, but just gave a clever little answer at the end, as if he hadn't really heard what you were saying, but was really just waiting for his turn to talk ?
That's how I feel about Gardner. He's more interested in his own shining moments than he is in the team. Hence, the display.
That's just me, though. I had a couple of hot dogs on the high school level that acted like that.
Most of them are union laborers now. I had one guy from six years ago walk up to me at the local Loew's and actually tell me that, if he'd only gotten more throws, he'd be a star in the NFL by now.
The truth is, we couldn't PAY our QB to throw to this guy. He always had a comment about how the ball hit his hands the wrong way, and it was his own innate skill that allowed the play to come to fruition. Not the blockers, not the thrower, not the db who tripped on his own shoelace, but him. It was all him.
That's how I see Roddy right now. Joe Gibbs forgot more about football this morning when he took a leak than I will ever know.
I'll wait to see what he says.

tcwest10 wrote:Joe Gibbs forgot more about football this morning when he took a leak than I will ever know.
I'll wait to see what he says.

TC you crack me up!!

The reason Rod Gardner will be great next season: