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I think some can relate to this.....
Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2016 11:47 am
by markshark84
I don't really want to post this article at this point in the year since we're in the playoffs and it draws attention AWAY from where it should be, but it was published yesterday and I know I'll either forget once the season is over (with hopefully a SB title

) or it'll be gone from the site --- most likely the former.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dc-sports-bog/wp/2016/01/04/lets-check-back-in-with-those-redskins-fans-who-were-rooting-against-their-team/DC is no stranger to QB controversies, but I think this season was unprecedented in the sense that there wasn't a controversy in-house/FO-wise at all, it was only with the fans.
Regardless, I am just happy it all worked out and we have a young-enough franchise QB, someone our real GM can build around for the next 8-10 years ---- something we haven't had in over 30 years.
Re: I think some can relate to this.....
Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2016 11:56 am
by riggofan
Fun article actually. No doubt there were a lot of fans proven wrong, but my sense is that most of them are thrilled to see Cousins prove them wrong.
I'm surprised Steinberg didn't mention his own paper in this article btw. Sally Jenkins wrote the absolute most idiotic looking piece back in October. She's their worst sports writer IMHO, so no surprise. But if you're personally eating any crow right now, take a look at his article and don't feel too bad about it:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/r ... story.htmlKirk Cousins is fool’s gold. He looks so shiny bright, right up until he disappoints you. Cousins has played enough to establish who he is as an NFL quarterback right now. He’s a guy who is enticing to gamble on, but he doesn’t pay off.
How many times has Cousins talked about learning from his mistakes? When are the lessons learned going to start showing up on the scoreboard? When will he stop repeating the same mistakes on loop? Just a week ago he threw a similar hurried pass toward Grant, with the same result, to lose to the Atlanta Falcons in overtime. His greatest weakness, he admits, is “situational awareness.”
Wind? Pressure? Formations? That’s the job. And it’s becoming increasingly doubtful that Cousins can hold on to it.
Really nailed it, Sally.
Re: I think some can relate to this.....
Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2016 12:13 pm
by cowboykillerzRGiii
I think, the "line" is a myth. You can straddle it and/or jump from one side to the other... It's ok, we are but fans of the TEAM. While some fanatics are so pro rgiii they are STILL wanting to see him lace it up on game day... Others who held out hope for bob get confused as fanatical too.
Being pro Robert didn't mean you were anti Kirk.. the way it went down was shaddy. People talk about the play calling vs Detroit, ok he needed to work on the longer developing plays.. but with Willie Mofo Smith at his blind side? Come on, he was thrown to the wolves!
I feel like no one was right or wrong... Kirk started off poorly to mediocre, play calling not withholding... And developed into a STUD in this offence. Who knows how RGiii ends up- I can definitely say THIS offence suits Kirks strengths MUCH better.
I see Kirk heading into the top tier QB status and I'm GLAD coach had the guts to do what we did. It's obviously paid off big time. Robert has a looking way to go, but hitting Brigewater/ Tyrod status isn't out of the realm of possibility. I predict Texans, and he will do well there. At least I hope it's there and not an NFCeast rival.
I've already stated I'll take my bird medium rare, but I don't in any way feel like I was wrong about anything, nor that I can't have allegiance to one and not the other... Like its impossible to support both/either or whom ever is behind center.
I'm almost as excited about this drama coming to an end as I am about the spectacular play Kirk has put up the last quarter of the season. Much can be said about getting HOT at the right time, and this kid is ON FIRE!!!
Peace
Re: I think some can relate to this.....
Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2016 12:44 pm
by Deadskins
Thanks for posting that, Mark. I know I was definitely apprehensive about moving on from RGIII early in the season, especially with Kirk's uneven play. But after about the fifth game or so, I was able to easily see the progress he was making, if only it was the ability to shake off a bad interception where he could not do that earlier in his career. Now he's really balling out, and I can't imagine why there would still be folks who aren't 100% behind him.
Re: I think some can relate to this.....
Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2016 1:26 pm
by riggofan
cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:I see Kirk heading into the top tier QB status and I'm GLAD coach had the guts to do what we did. It's obviously paid off big time. Robert has a looking way to go, but hitting Brigewater/ Tyrod status isn't out of the realm of possibility. I predict Texans, and he will do well there. At least I hope it's there and not an NFCeast rival.
Not to go off on too much of a tangent but I was reading something about Jeff Fisher this morning and how that team will be looking for a QB this offseason. How bizarre would that be to see Griffin go to the freaking RAMS?
Actually might not be a terrible landing spot for him with Gurley there. Good defensive team. I could see him doing well there.
I kinda thought Texans too but keep hearing that style of QB probably isn't what OBrien likes.
Re: I think some can relate to this.....
Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2016 1:45 pm
by SkinsJock
It's been an unbelievable turnaround for this franchise - not even the most ardent supporter could have envisaged an NFC East title, a QB that looks like a really good franchise QB, & a GM that has orchestrated an amazing turnaround & kept Dan Snyder from screwing things up here
McCloughan and Cousins deserve a lot of credit for what they've done - the amount of hard work they have put in will see Cousins get a huge contract and we now have a franchise that is clearly headed in the right direction - I also think that these guys deserve a lot of kudos also for how they completely defused the QB situation and RGIII gets some credit too for how he handled what must have been an incredibly hard thing to cope with - I'm hoping that RGIII can play QB in the NFL which a number of haters here felt was impossible
I'm looking forward to seeing this franchise be a playoff contender next season - a year before I could imagine that would even be possible
Re: I think some can relate to this.....
Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2016 2:45 pm
by markshark84
cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:I think, the "line" is a myth. You can straddle it and/or jump from one side to the other... It's ok, we are but fans of the TEAM. While some fanatics are so pro rgiii they are STILL wanting to see him lace it up on game day... Others who held out hope for bob get confused as fanatical too.
I have some friends (not on THN) that are still in the RGIII > Redskins camp. It is embarrassing for them, and honestly, I continue to hear excuses like "he still hasn't gotten a chance" or "I'm not wrong because he hasn't played this year, so we don't
really know who is the better QB". At this point, they sound like bumbling fools.
cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:Being pro Robert didn't mean you were anti Kirk.. the way it went down was shaddy. People talk about the play calling vs Detroit, ok he needed to work on the longer developing plays.. but with Willie Mofo Smith at his blind side? Come on, he was thrown to the wolves!
Being "pro Robert" meant you wanted to bench/not start Kirk, right? Wouldn't benching/not playing Kirk mean you were anti-playing him? I don't think any real skins fans dislike either Robert or Kirk generally. I was called anti-RGIII (or an RGIII hater) because I wanted Kirk to start. I think the same applies the other way if you wanted RGIII to start.
And what went down WAS shady. But not in the way you think. It was shady that Cousins wasn't given a REAL chance EARLIER. It was shady that an owner would be as involved as Danny boy was. The play calling Gruden made were for plays (1) RGIII needed work on in the first place, (2) Gruden needed to evaluate RGIII on, and (3) RGIII was in control of his play regardless of the circumstances. The QB position is one of the most powerful positions in all of sports. A QB has the ability to be in full control his offense. If Smith was playing horrible (which is why he was cut most likely), RGIII should have made blocking adjustments or adjusted the play or made any number of adjustments necessary to put himself in the best position to succeed. That is what a real QB does. RGIII also shouldn't have fumbled multiple times or moved within the pocket to avoid getting sacked 3 times --- sort of like how Cousins did on that TD pass to Garcon last weekend.
cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:I feel like no one was right or wrong... Kirk started off poorly to mediocre, play calling not withholding... And developed into a STUD in this offence.
Disagree there. There were some on this board that saw the potential in Cousins, and that, with development, he could become the QB we are seeing today. The ones that were "wrong" were the people blind or disenchanted to see the tell-tale signs that Cousins had the requisite abilities to be a successful QB. Instead they used childish names (no offense) instead of relying on data or actual facts.
cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:Robert has a looking way to go, but hitting Brigewater/ Tyrod status isn't out of the realm of possibility. I predict Texans, and he will do well there. At least I hope it's there and not an NFCeast rival.
Whether RGIII can get there is uncertain to say the least. I think Tyrod is the model RGIII should be shooting for, but I'm confident he doesn't have the physicality to run as much as Taylor. Then again, fans in BUF aren't totally sold on him yet. All in all, my hope is that RGIII learned a TON this season in humility, patience, observation, and mechanics. I hope it gave him the opportunity to take a step back and realize how much work he truly needs and is now dedicated to actually putting in the work --- and hoping he is doing that now. I don't care where he goes as long as it is in a position where he can reach his potential.
cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:I've already stated I'll take my bird medium rare, but I don't in any way feel like I was wrong about anything, nor that I can't have allegiance to one and not the other... Like its impossible to support both/either or whom ever is behind center.
As I've said, I think you have owned up to your prior beliefs to a degree, but as I said above, I think that where you were "wrong" was that you didn't see the potential in Cousins initially. You didn't have faith in Cousins' ability ---- in order for you to support Cousins, it was necessary for you to "see it" .... The ones that were right, were those that had faith he COULD do it and were confident we WOULD see it.
Re: I think some can relate to this.....
Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2016 2:47 pm
by oj
The deniers are thick right now, have you noticed that the Skins' don't even get mentioned in the playoff games? It isn't just that they ignore Cousins' capabilities, they ignore the whole team!
Good. They don't even see us coming.
Re: I think some can relate to this.....
Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2016 2:57 pm
by SkinsJock
riggofan wrote:Fun article actually. No doubt there were a lot of fans proven wrong, but my sense is that most of them are thrilled to see Cousins prove them wrong ...
I used to enjoy living in Annapolis, getting all the papers each day, watching the sports (Glenn Brenner) and listening to the radio ... I am a little surprised to hear that there are a number of fans that did not like Cousins or Griffin - I thought if you were a Redskins fan you liked the QB - no matter who was starting, you hoped they would lead the team to victory and might become a future great Redskins QB
I liked what Griffin did and thought that we were lucky to have 2 good QBs - I hoped that Gruden would help Griffin and really doubted that Cousins could amount to much as he lacked confidence and turned the ball over too much - I never hated Cousins and am really pleased at the unbelievable progress that he's made this season - At the beginning of this season I was sure that Cousins turnover issues would hurt the offense but I still wanted him to help the team - I don't understand the logic that some have that they hope a Redskins player they don't like will play badly so that "their" player can get in there - I'm still a RGIII fan but the QB of the Redskins is Kirk Cousins and that's who I support
I hope that Griffin can become a good NFL QB - I'm not sure if that is because I still think that he can or if I want to rub it in with those fans here (admittedly just 3 or 4) that still hate him

Re: I think some can relate to this.....
Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2016 5:55 pm
by markshark84
oj wrote:The deniers are thick right now, have you noticed that the Skins' don't even get mentioned in the playoff games? It isn't just that they ignore Cousins' capabilities, they ignore the whole team!
Good. They don't even see us coming.
I think some of the lack of respect is deserved. We are 9-7 and haven't beaten a team with a winning record this year. There is a lot of Cousins love going around, but the sports media are sheep. They do little research and write what people want to hear or write something controversial for "shock value" or click bait. If I want real opinion, I go to message boards of opposing teams similar to this one and read what they're collectively saying. And if you go onto GB forums similar to this one, most think we will win. Message boards provide FAR better data and analysis than the misinformed, un-researched idiots (except Kiper who, although not correct often, at least does his homework) at ESPN, CBS, or any of the other mainstream sites.
But all in all, I hope very much that GB underestimates us; that would be awesome.
Re: I think some can relate to this.....
Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2016 6:20 pm
by Countertrey
riggofan wrote:Fun article actually. No doubt there were a lot of fans proven wrong, but my sense is that most of them are thrilled to see Cousins prove them wrong.
I'm surprised Steinberg didn't mention his own paper in this article btw. Sally Jenkins wrote the absolute most idiotic looking piece back in October. She's their worst sports writer IMHO, so no surprise. But if you're personally eating any crow right now, take a look at his article and don't feel too bad about it:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/r ... story.htmlKirk Cousins is fool’s gold. He looks so shiny bright, right up until he disappoints you. Cousins has played enough to establish who he is as an NFL quarterback right now. He’s a guy who is enticing to gamble on, but he doesn’t pay off.
How many times has Cousins talked about learning from his mistakes? When are the lessons learned going to start showing up on the scoreboard? When will he stop repeating the same mistakes on loop? Just a week ago he threw a similar hurried pass toward Grant, with the same result, to lose to the Atlanta Falcons in overtime. His greatest weakness, he admits, is “situational awareness.”
Wind? Pressure? Formations? That’s the job. And it’s becoming increasingly doubtful that Cousins can hold on to it.
Really nailed it, Sally.
mmmm...
Calling Sally Jenkins a sports writer is akin to calling the Kardashians talented...

Re: I think some can relate to this.....
Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2016 7:24 pm
by StorminMormon86
Read this article the other day, and while it is a small minority, there's still are active fans who think Griffin > Redskins.
A friend of mine (Ravens fan) messaged me to ask about it. She said a lot of her friends were saying Griffin was given a raw deal, was mistreated, etc. and I told her it was nonsense. Kirk outplayed him. That's it. Then she brought up the racial aspect and I suddenly felt like I was talking to Bomani Jones.
Re: I think some can relate to this.....
Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2016 10:52 pm
by Deadskins
StorminMormon86 wrote:Read this article the other day, and while it is a small minority, there's still are active fans who think Griffin > Redskins.
A friend of mine (Ravens fan) messaged me to ask about it. She said a lot of her friends were saying Griffin was given a raw deal, was mistreated, etc. and I told her it was nonsense. Kirk outplayed him. That's it. Then she brought up the racial aspect and I suddenly felt like I was talking to Bomani Jones.
A lot of my black friends who are fans of other teams think it is a race thing. They just don't follow the team closely enough to know otherwise.
Re: I think some can relate to this.....
Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2016 11:06 pm
by SkinsJock
now we have a piece that indicates that the pukes might be interested in giving RGIII a shot at QB ...
this is GREAT news for the RG3 haters - can you imagine how good it would be for us to take ohno out of the game and have RGIII come in ... according to some here, the kid cannot possibly read defenses and according to OldSchool he might even have a mentality (spatial) issue
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-foo ... ns-cut-himthis could be fun ...

IF RGIII were to go to another franchise and do well I would be pleased for him but if he's not playing for the Redskins he's not "my" QB
Re: I think some can relate to this.....
Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2016 11:08 pm
by SkinsJock
StorminMormon86 wrote:Read this article the other day, and while it is a small minority, there's still are active fans who think Griffin > Redskins. A friend of mine (Ravens fan) messaged me to ask about it. She said a lot of her friends were saying Griffin was given a raw deal, was mistreated, etc. and I told her it was nonsense. Kirk outplayed him. That's it. Then she brought up the racial aspect and I suddenly felt like I was talking to Bomani Jones.
markshark84 wrote: .. I have some friends (not on THN) that are still in the RGIII > Redskins camp. It is embarrassing for them, and honestly, I continue to hear excuses like "he still hasn't gotten a chance" or "I'm not wrong because he hasn't played this year, so we don't really know who is the better QB". At this point, they sound like bumbling fools.
you guys have some interesting friends .. please keep us up to speed on these anecdotes

you cannot make some of this up ....

Re: I think some can relate to this.....
Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2016 11:14 pm
by SkinsJock
Countertrey wrote:mmmm... Calling Sally Jenkins a sports writer is akin to calling the Kardashians talented...
man oh man - TRUE DAT - cannot stand that person - white trash

Re: I think some can relate to this.....
Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2016 3:13 am
by cowboykillerzRGiii
markshark84 wrote:I have some friends (not on THN) that are still in the RGIII > Redskins camp. It is embarrassing for them, and honestly, I continue to hear excuses like "he still hasn't gotten a chance" or "I'm not wrong because he hasn't played this year, so we don't really know who is the better QB". At this point, they sound like bumbling fools.
I think the issue doesn't lie with those stances.. as they are honestly fair, with the exception of the last part of the last quote: Kirk is leaps and bounds above Robert at the QB position. I wouldn't blame THEM though... Because with the guise we were under this offseason- we were led to believe Robert was the best QB on the roster all through TC! Had Gruden given us an open comp, and been truthful about Roberts development- maybe the Rgiii crowd could of swallowed the change easier? Having the media and even Safeties from other teams we practiced comment about how good he has progressed, and all the reports about his improved mechanics were VERY misleading- at least they weren't telling the full story right? As a fan, that isn't in the inner circle, that's all we had to go on. Some honesty might've been better early on.
markshark84 wrote:Being "pro Robert" meant you wanted to bench/not start Kirk, right? Wouldn't benching/not playing Kirk mean you were anti-playing him? I don't think any real skins fans dislike either Robert or Kirk generally. I was called anti-RGIII (or an RGIII hater) because I wanted Kirk to start. I think the same applies the other way if you wanted RGIII to start.
I was pro BEST PLAYER at EVERY position. ALL of the early TC noise was about how Robert was improving by FINALLY having a damned QB coach and working on the RIGHT aspects of his game. THIS is where my problem LIES with Gruden... We were fed so much garbage, how could we form an accurate opinion? Did I ever this season want Kirk benched? no. I would have preferred the same patience with Robert last year- but then there is that injury clause; where within lies Roberts BIGGEST problem, in my opinion. Gruden giving his QB full reins and support, even after poor performances is what we needed. I'm glad Kirk got it.... he CLEARLY is the best option in THIS system. If Robert will find success with the same support, is yet to be determined.
markshark84 wrote:And what went down WAS shady. But not in the way you think. It was shady that Cousins wasn't given a REAL chance EARLIER. It was shady that an owner would be as involved as Danny boy was. The play calling Gruden made were for plays (1) RGIII needed work on in the first place, (2) Gruden needed to evaluate RGIII on, and (3) RGIII was in control of his play regardless of the circumstances. The QB position is one of the most powerful positions in all of sports. A QB has the ability to be in full control his offense. If Smith was playing horrible (which is why he was cut most likely), RGIII should have made blocking adjustments or adjusted the play or made any number of adjustments necessary to put himself in the best position to succeed. That is what a real QB does. RGIII also shouldn't have fumbled multiple times or moved within the pocket to avoid getting sacked 3 times --- sort of like how Cousins did on that TD pass to Garcon last weekend.
Well then... had Garcon made the catch then the first preseason game looks much better for Robert too. Did you notice how Gruden had a different set of play calling for Kirk early on, to now? To help him and our young Oline? Maybe "sabotaged" is the wrong word.. but he called plays vs a STOUT pass rush that had very little chance of succeeding. Robert maybe could've done some kind of Payton Manning out there, but that's pretty far fetched I'd say. The ugly plays happened after being ragdolled and concuss, soooo I'm not sure what kind of chance he had to be successful that night- if any at all.
markshark84 wrote:Disagree there. There were some on this board that saw the potential in Cousins, and that, with development, he could become the QB we are seeing today. The ones that were "wrong" were the people blind or disenchanted to see the tell-tale signs that Cousins had the requisite abilities to be a successful QB. Instead they used childish names (no offense) instead of relying on data or actual facts.
I think you will be hard pressed to find ANYONE on here who didn't recognize Kirks potential. He had a firm grasp of the O while out there, and has always got rid of the ball quick with stellar pocket presence. His issues were the turn over volume, and even more so the imploding after a bad play. I've always contested that if he could shake the "Shely" bug he'd have a chance to be special. Like your doubt in Robert ever learning to read a D, (which is so wildly inaccurate. Of course he has, and can read a D, has made progressions.. he is definitely an infant in this regard, but like Kirk- can get better?) I could only judge what he gave us... THEN he turned the corner- YOU LIKE THAT?! Found his mojo and the rest is history. I think all the fans that weren't convinced on opening day were RIGHT. he WAS a turn over machine.. blew games in Grossman fashion.. BUT, he grew. and has grown into a helluva qb at that! I NEVER said he couldn't or wouldn't, like the anti rgiii guys like to do- merely just commented on what he was giving us and judging his play as it was.
cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:I've already stated I'll take my bird medium rare, but I don't in any way feel like I was wrong about anything, nor that I can't have allegiance to one and not the other... Like its impossible to support both/either or whom ever is behind center.
markshark84 wrote:As I've said, I think you have owned up to your prior beliefs to a degree, but as I said above, I think that where you were "wrong" was that you didn't see the potential in Cousins initially. You didn't have faith in Cousins' ability ---- in order for you to support Cousins, it was necessary for you to "see it" .... The ones that were right, were those that had faith he COULD do it and were confident we WOULD see it.
Only.. I DID see his potential. I also see potential in Robert... I
CAN say, while Kirk was drowning I didn't expect for him to turn it around... so you are "right". To a degree. I don't think you predicted after the Panthers beat down or one of his other poor games early on, that his last quarter of the season would be record setting? if so, great foresight!! I knew with Reed and Djax healthy and solid pass protection- any of our QBs would have a chance to play well... Kirk took it to next level status and has performed GREAT! I hope he can keep it going, but regardless of how the season ends the future is BRIGHT. Cheers to that!

Re: I think some can relate to this.....
Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2016 8:37 am
by Deadskins
cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:markshark84 wrote:I have some friends (not on THN) that are still in the RGIII > Redskins camp. It is embarrassing for them, and honestly, I continue to hear excuses like "he still hasn't gotten a chance" or "I'm not wrong because he hasn't played this year, so we don't really know who is the better QB". At this point, they sound like bumbling fools.
I think the issue doesn't lie with those stances.. as they are honestly fair, with the exception of the last part of the last quote: Kirk is leaps and bounds above Robert at the QB position. I wouldn't blame THEM though... Because with the guise we were under this offseason- we were led to believe Robert was the best QB on the roster all through TC! Had Gruden given us an open comp, and been truthful about Roberts development- maybe the Rgiii crowd could of swallowed the change easier? Having the media and even Safeties from other teams we practiced comment about how good he has progressed, and all the reports about his improved mechanics were VERY misleading- at least they weren't telling the full story right? As a fan, that isn't in the inner circle, that's all we had to go on. Some honesty might've been better early on.
markshark84 wrote:Being "pro Robert" meant you wanted to bench/not start Kirk, right? Wouldn't benching/not playing Kirk mean you were anti-playing him? I don't think any real skins fans dislike either Robert or Kirk generally. I was called anti-RGIII (or an RGIII hater) because I wanted Kirk to start. I think the same applies the other way if you wanted RGIII to start.
I was pro BEST PLAYER at EVERY position. ALL of the early TC noise was about how Robert was improving by FINALLY having a damned QB coach and working on the RIGHT aspects of his game. THIS is where my problem LIES with Gruden... We were fed so much garbage, how could we form an accurate opinion? Did I ever this season want Kirk benched? no. I would have preferred the same patience with Robert last year- but then there is that injury clause; where within lies Roberts BIGGEST problem, in my opinion. Gruden giving his QB full reins and support, even after poor performances is what we needed. I'm glad Kirk got it.... he CLEARLY is the best option in THIS system. If Robert will find success with the same support, is yet to be determined.
markshark84 wrote:And what went down WAS shady. But not in the way you think. It was shady that Cousins wasn't given a REAL chance EARLIER. It was shady that an owner would be as involved as Danny boy was. The play calling Gruden made were for plays (1) RGIII needed work on in the first place, (2) Gruden needed to evaluate RGIII on, and (3) RGIII was in control of his play regardless of the circumstances. The QB position is one of the most powerful positions in all of sports. A QB has the ability to be in full control his offense. If Smith was playing horrible (which is why he was cut most likely), RGIII should have made blocking adjustments or adjusted the play or made any number of adjustments necessary to put himself in the best position to succeed. That is what a real QB does. RGIII also shouldn't have fumbled multiple times or moved within the pocket to avoid getting sacked 3 times --- sort of like how Cousins did on that TD pass to Garcon last weekend.
Well then... had Garcon made the catch then the first preseason game looks much better for Robert too. Did you notice how Gruden had a different set of play calling for Kirk early on, to now? To help him and our young Oline? Maybe "sabotaged" is the wrong word.. but he called plays vs a STOUT pass rush that had very little chance of succeeding. Robert maybe could've done some kind of Payton Manning out there, but that's pretty far fetched I'd say. The ugly plays happened after being ragdolled and concuss, soooo I'm not sure what kind of chance he had to be successful that night- if any at all.
markshark84 wrote:Disagree there. There were some on this board that saw the potential in Cousins, and that, with development, he could become the QB we are seeing today. The ones that were "wrong" were the people blind or disenchanted to see the tell-tale signs that Cousins had the requisite abilities to be a successful QB. Instead they used childish names (no offense) instead of relying on data or actual facts.
I think you will be hard pressed to find ANYONE on here who didn't recognize Kirks potential. He had a firm grasp of the O while out there, and has always got rid of the ball quick with stellar pocket presence. His issues were the turn over volume, and even more so the imploding after a bad play. I've always contested that if he could shake the "Shely" bug he'd have a chance to be special. Like your doubt in Robert ever learning to read a D, (which is so wildly inaccurate. Of course he has, and can read a D, has made progressions.. he is definitely an infant in this regard, but like Kirk- can get better?) I could only judge what he gave us... THEN he turned the corner- YOU LIKE THAT?! Found his mojo and the rest is history. I think all the fans that weren't convinced on opening day were RIGHT. he WAS a turn over machine.. blew games in Grossman fashion.. BUT, he grew. and has grown into a helluva qb at that! I NEVER said he couldn't or wouldn't, like the anti rgiii guys like to do- merely just commented on what he was giving us and judging his play as it was.
cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:I've already stated I'll take my bird medium rare, but I don't in any way feel like I was wrong about anything, nor that I can't have allegiance to one and not the other... Like its impossible to support both/either or whom ever is behind center.
markshark84 wrote:As I've said, I think you have owned up to your prior beliefs to a degree, but as I said above, I think that where you were "wrong" was that you didn't see the potential in Cousins initially. You didn't have faith in Cousins' ability ---- in order for you to support Cousins, it was necessary for you to "see it" .... The ones that were right, were those that had faith he COULD do it and were confident we WOULD see it.
Only.. I DID see his potential. I also see potential in Robert... I
CAN say, while Kirk was drowning I didn't expect for him to turn it around... so you are "right". To a degree. I don't think you predicted after the Panthers beat down or one of his other poor games early on, that his last quarter of the season would be record setting? if so, great foresight!! I knew with Reed and Djax healthy and solid pass protection- any of our QBs would have a chance to play well... Kirk took it to next level status and has performed GREAT! I hope he can keep it going, but regardless of how the season ends the future is BRIGHT. Cheers to that!

Very well said, and accurate on all counts.

Re: I think some can relate to this.....
Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2016 10:06 am
by StorminMormon86
What I find interesting was how Keim,

ey, and Mike Jones were all praising Robert throughout OTA's and the preseason. In fact, I remember both Kiem and Jones saying that Griffin was outperforming Cousins and McCoy. Fast forward to now, and all of them are basically saying that throughout the offseason it wasn't even close, and that Cousins was miles ahead of Griffin. What I'd like to know is why the sudden change? I do not take Keim,

ey, or Jones to be flip-floppers like a lot of our fanbase. I wonder if they were told (C00ley especially) to stay positive with regards to the team and try to allay the noise that usually follows them.
Re: I think some can relate to this.....
Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2016 10:21 am
by SkinsJock
StorminMormon86 wrote:What I find interesting was how Keim,

ey, and Mike Jones were all praising Robert throughout OTA's and the preseason. In fact, I remember both Kiem and Jones saying that Griffin was outperforming Cousins and McCoy. Fast forward to now, and all of them are basically saying that throughout the offseason it wasn't even close, and that Cousins was miles ahead of Griffin. What I'd like to know is why the sudden change? I do not take Keim,

ey, or Jones to be flip-floppers like a lot of our fanbase. I wonder if they were told (C00ley especially) to stay positive with regards to the team and try to allay the noise that usually follows them.
to understand those here that liked RGIII & were concerned at the outset of this season, you might want to read cowboykillerzRGiii post

Re: I think some can relate to this.....
Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2016 10:34 am
by Irn-Bru
StorminMormon86 wrote:What I find interesting was how Keim,

ey, and Mike Jones were all praising Robert throughout OTA's and the preseason. In fact, I remember both Kiem and Jones saying that Griffin was outperforming Cousins and McCoy. Fast forward to now, and all of them are basically saying that throughout the offseason it wasn't even close, and that Cousins was miles ahead of Griffin. What I'd like to know is why the sudden change? I do not take Keim,

ey, or Jones to be flip-floppers like a lot of our fanbase. I wonder if they were told (C00ley especially) to stay positive with regards to the team and try to allay the noise that usually follows them.
Agreed. I was following Rich Tandler most closely in the off-season, and he was more reserved about RGIII, but even he seemed to indicate that Griffin was ahead of the others. I was really surprised when Gruden said that in fact it hadn't been all that close after he named Cousins the starter.
Re: I think some can relate to this.....
Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2016 10:43 am
by riggofan
StorminMormon86 wrote:What I find interesting was how Keim,

ey, and Mike Jones were all praising Robert throughout OTA's and the preseason. In fact, I remember both Kiem and Jones saying that Griffin was outperforming Cousins and McCoy. Fast forward to now, and all of them are basically saying that throughout the offseason it wasn't even close, and that Cousins was miles ahead of Griffin. What I'd like to know is why the sudden change? I do not take Keim,

ey, or Jones to be flip-floppers like a lot of our fanbase. I wonder if they were told (C00ley especially) to stay positive with regards to the team and try to allay the noise that usually follows them.
I don't know, man. I follow all of those guys very closely (seems like you do too) all year long and kind of disagree with what you're saying. I think they REPORTED that SOURCES said Griffin was outperforming Cousins and McCoy in OTAs.
These some of Keim's articles during the offseason. I think if you look at some of these it wasn't especially high praise:
RG III's growth hard to measure during OTA workoutshttp://espn.go.com/blog/washington-reds ... a-workoutsRedskins OTA observations, Part 1: RG III looks more relaxedhttp://espn.go.com/blog/washington-reds ... re-relaxed"His game was about what you would expect for the first day working vs. the defense: A little all over. But it's way too early to draw conclusions about anything."
RG III report: Extending plays, good and bad, during OTAshttp://espn.go.com/blog/washington-reds ... g-ota-workAnd this is what Keim said about Cousins back in June:
"Kirk Cousins had a strong day working with the backups. Not sure anyone on offense shows more enthusiasm during these sessions than Cousins. After one 5-yard touchdown throw to Thompson, he ran over to the back pounded his helmet and shouted, “Touchdown!” After a deep ball to receiver DeSean Jackson that would have resulted in a long touchdown, Cousins sprinted downfield and the two celebrated with a side bump. I know some will read into this because they love to read into anything with the quarterbacks -- “Oh, no, is that a shot at Griffin!” Relax. It’s a comment on Cousins, period. If you’re a Redskins fan you should want him to do well; it’ll push Griffin and if the starter fails you can have a strong backup option."
I think all of the guys you mentioned have been pretty consistent in their reporting the past year. During the off season especially, they're only seeing these QBs practicing for whatever that's worth and they can really only report on all of the positive comments the coaches are spewing.
Re: I think some can relate to this.....
Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2016 10:52 am
by riggofan
SkinsJock wrote:now we have a piece that indicates that the pukes might be interested in giving RGIII a shot at QB ...
this is GREAT news for the RG3 haters - can you imagine how good it would be for us to take ohno out of the game and have RGIII come in ... according to some here, the kid cannot possibly read defenses and according to OldSchool he might even have a mentality (spatial) issue
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-foo ... ns-cut-himthis could be fun ...

IF RGIII were to go to another franchise and do well I would be pleased for him but if he's not playing for the Redskins he's not "my" QB
I thought the article was that RG3 was interested in the Cowboys. Not sure that the reverse is true there.
Either way, I've said before that I hope Griffin does well wherever he goes. Still appreciate the year he gave us in 2012. However, I'll probably change my opinion on that drastically if he ends up in Dallas or Philly.
Re: I think some can relate to this.....
Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2016 11:24 am
by SkinsJock
I agree - we know that RG3 is going to be interested in a lot of places to go but IMO there will not be many that will be equally as interested
Re: I think some can relate to this.....
Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2016 11:32 am
by riggofan
SkinsJock wrote:I agree - we know that RG3 is going to be interested in a lot of places to go but IMO there will not be many that will be equally as interested
Oh he'll have interest for sure. Unfortunately for him the really good teams usually tend to have solid QBs in place already. My guess with Dallas is that they'll draft a guy early to groom and stick with Romo for another year. That would seem to be the smart move.
I predict that RG3 will be starting somewhere week 1 in 2016. I also think he'll be motivated and will come out and play well early on. The biggest challenge for him IMO is always going to be to keep himself healthy. Its good for him in a way that he's had this full year to sit. He has to be as healthy as he's been in some time, don't you think?