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NFL acknowledges the refs are having issues
Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2015 11:14 am
by SkinsJock
just a FYI ...
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-foo ... ndino-morescary ... but this weasel reminds me of Vinny Cerrato ...
Re: NFL acknowledges the refs are having issues
Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2015 11:44 am
by Burgundy&GoldForever
Unfortunately, the rule changes are only in effect for the playoffs. We're still stuck with garbage officiating and no booth reviews for the next three games.
Re: NFL acknowledges the refs are having issues
Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2015 12:00 pm
by TexasCowboy
The seed of discontent at referees when these are the same group of people (here) who
just got done praising the ref's, for their blundering in last years playoffs when
a certain "catch" was ruled incomplete
methinks you protest to much
Re: NFL acknowledges the refs are having issues
Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2015 12:49 pm
by SkinsJock
Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:Unfortunately, the rule changes are only in effect for the playoffs. We're still stuck with garbage officiating and no booth reviews for the next three games.
I agree with you on this and IMO the NFL has got to look at how they can utilize the technology available better - these idiots have a great product and the TV audience is way up there seeing a bunch of bad calls this season - IMO it has gotten worse not better
Re: NFL acknowledges the refs are having issues
Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2015 3:00 pm
by DEHog
TexasCowboy wrote:The seed of discontent at referees when these are the same group of people (here) who
just got done praising the ref's, for their blundering in last years playoffs when
a certain "catch" was ruled incomplete
methinks you protest to much
They were praising the call in last years playoffs!
Re: NFL acknowledges the refs are having issues
Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2015 3:11 pm
by Deadskins
TexasCowboy wrote:The seed of discontent at referees when these are the same group of people (here) who
just got done praising the ref's, for their blundering in last years playoffs when
a certain "catch" was ruled incomplete
Actually, the blunder was when they ruled it complete. Good thing for instant replay; they were able to rectify the blunder.
Re: NFL acknowledges the refs are having issues
Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2015 3:17 pm
by TexasCowboy
Actually I said it was the wrong call not the right one!!! and now this?? where there is complaints
about the refs making bad calls, I thought the refs don't make bad calls??? time to **** or get
off the pot
Re: NFL acknowledges the refs are having issues
Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2015 3:23 pm
by Deadskins
You've got it backwards. They made the wrong call then and we were angry about it. That the call was corrected upon further review, says nothing about the state of NFL officiating in the moment.
PS They made another bad call the prior week when they mysteriously picked up the PI flag and allowed the Pies to advance to the next game. There was no replay to fix that one.
Re: NFL acknowledges the refs are having issues
Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2015 3:32 pm
by TexasCowboy
Ah so now we're getting somewhere with this...so when the ref's pick up the flag on a clear pass interference call
it's wrong, but when they screw up a critical call such as a clear catch that ultimately cost them the game in
GB last season (even though not guaranteed) it's the right call?
Re: NFL acknowledges the refs are having issues
Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2015 4:44 pm
by DarthMonk
TexasCowboy wrote:Ah so now we're getting somewhere with this...so when the ref's pick up the flag on a clear pass interference call
it's wrong, but when they screw up a critical call such as a clear catch that ultimately cost them the game in
GB last season (even though not guaranteed) it's the right call?
At least the so called "catch" was challenged.
The PI was over ruled by the ref farthest from the play. The one RIGHT THERE called PI.
This was the mistake (one of the mistakes) you made when you said a ref ran over to the area Dez was in and challenged when that is something refs cannot do. Coaches challenge.
You seemed to have the two plays confused.
Re: NFL acknowledges the refs are having issues
Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2015 5:36 pm
by Burgundy&GoldForever
Not to be rude but isn't there already a thread on that subject? One Cowboys discussion is more than enough.
Re: NFL acknowledges the refs are having issues
Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2015 5:38 pm
by Deadskins
TexasCowboy wrote:Ah so now we're getting somewhere with this...so when the ref's pick up the flag on a clear pass interference call
it's wrong, but when they screw up a critical call such as a clear catch that ultimately cost them the game in
GB last season (even though not guaranteed) it's the right call?
Except that one play is reviewable and the other is not. That's why they have instant replay. On the first play, the correct call was made, but another ref came in and overruled the ref who made the call, even though he did not see the foul. And on the second play, the ref made an incorrect call in the opinion of the GB coach, so he challenged the call, and upon review, the refs had to admit that he had blown the call and overturn it.
To summarize:
1st play: Good call by ref on top of the play, overturned by another ref without review (review not even allowed).
2nd play: Bad call by ref on top of the play, overturned by watching the replay that showed indisputable visual evidence of the bad call.
Re: NFL acknowledges the refs are having issues
Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2015 5:44 pm
by Deadskins
Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:Not to be rude but isn't there already a thread on that subject? One Cowboys discussion is more than enough.
This thread is about the state of NFL refereeing. These posts are on topic. THN has moderators, and we are quite capable of doing the job without your help.
Re: NFL acknowledges the refs are having issues
Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2015 9:51 pm
by Burgundy&GoldForever
Deadskins wrote:Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:Not to be rude but isn't there already a thread on that subject? One Cowboys discussion is more than enough.
This thread is about the state of NFL refereeing. These posts are on topic. THN has moderators, and we are quite capable of doing the job without your help.
I think you missed the intended sarcasm.
Re: NFL acknowledges the refs are having issues
Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2015 6:26 am
by Burgundy&GoldForever
TexasCowboy wrote:The seed of discontent at referees when these are the same group of people (here) who
just got done praising the ref's, for their blundering in last years playoffs when
a certain "catch" was ruled incomplete
methinks you protest to much
How would the rule changes impact or have impacted that particular play? The answer: They wouldn't have and won't. Judgment calls still aren't booth reviewable.
Re: NFL acknowledges the refs are having issues
Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2015 8:39 am
by TexasCowboy
Yep and the challenge got it wrong, it failed to take into consideration the fact there was
contact with the defender (completely ignored) it also failed to take into consideration
that his knee and elbow are clearly grounded ending the play while the ball is firmly
tucked in hand
but as I've said before when the ref picks up a flag for PI he's wrong but when
there is a challenge and he rules wrong he's right? methinks you protest to
much
Re: NFL acknowledges the refs are having issues
Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2015 10:21 am
by Burgundy&GoldForever
TexasCowboy wrote:Yep and the challenge got it wrong, it failed to take into consideration the fact there was
contact with the defender (completely ignored) it also failed to take into consideration
that his knee and elbow are clearly grounded ending the play while the ball is firmly
tucked in hand
but as I've said before when the ref picks up a flag for PI he's wrong but when
there is a challenge and he rules wrong he's right? methinks you protest to
much
It's a judgement call. A judgment call can't be wrong. A challenged judgement call can be reversed on the basis of conclusive evidence the initial call was a misjudgment.
If that play happens again it will be judged the same way. You know why? Because it was judged it correctly the first time.
Re: NFL acknowledges the refs are having issues
Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2015 10:41 am
by TexasCowboy
And the judgement was wrong except when it's against Dallas then the refs are right
got it thanks
Re: NFL acknowledges the refs are having issues
Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2015 1:03 pm
by Deadskins
Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:TexasCowboy wrote:Yep and the challenge got it wrong, it failed to take into consideration the fact there was
contact with the defender (completely ignored) it also failed to take into consideration
that his knee and elbow are clearly grounded ending the play while the ball is firmly
tucked in hand
but as I've said before when the ref picks up a flag for PI he's wrong but when
there is a challenge and he rules wrong he's right? methinks you protest to
much
It's a judgement call. A judgment call can't be wrong. A challenged judgement call can be reversed on the basis of conclusive evidence the initial call was a misjudgment.
If that play happens again it will be judged the same way. You know why? Because it was judged it correctly the first time.
No, it's not a judgment call, and TC is unwilling to read the rule governing this play, because it clearly states neither of his considerations (highlighted above) matter in this ruling. One more time, for the slow-witted:
the NFL rule book wrote:Player Going to the Ground. If a player goes to the ground in the act of catching a pass (with or
without contact by an opponent), he must maintain control of the ball throughout the process of contacting
the ground, whether in the field of play or the end zone.
Re: NFL acknowledges the refs are having issues
Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2015 1:53 pm
by Countertrey
^^
There is already a thread in smack to discuss this incomplete pass. This thread needs to remain specific to the well established incompetence of the refs... not to this perpetual monument to circular thinking. Thanks.
Re: NFL acknowledges the refs are having issues
Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2015 3:24 pm
by TexasCowboy
It pertains to the discussion at hand which is referee corruption and the fact
they get things wrong..I am sure others can point out many of the major
screw up's made by ref's that cost them the game yourselves included
the one in the smack thread is but 1 instance but I still find it funny
how they got that 1 call right, but then this is posting crying about
how they goof things up
Re: NFL acknowledges the refs are having issues
Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2015 1:49 pm
by Countertrey
Meh...
Now, If you want to talk about Odell Beckham having license to beat the crap out of anyone he wants during, before and after a play, well, THAT certainly pertains. For all of the complaining I do of selective calls and un-made calls against my skins, NEVER have I seen anything so overt, and blatant as the deference and favoritism shown the Ginas primadonna last night... what a blatant display of deliberate blindness by officials... totally disgusting.
Re: NFL acknowledges the refs are having issues
Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2015 2:20 pm
by DEHog
Countertrey wrote:Meh...
Now, If you want to talk about Odell Beckham having license to beat the crap out of anyone he wants during, before and after a play, well, THAT certainly pertains. For all of the complaining I do of selective calls and un-made calls against my skins, NEVER have I seen anything so overt, and blatant as the deference and favoritism shown the Ginas primadonna last night... what a blatant display of deliberate blindness by officials... totally disgusting.
I can only guess the NFL has told the refs to error on the side of keeping players in the game...That said if ever there was a reason to eject a player...Now the question is will the NFL suspend OBJ during what is a big fanstasy week ?? My guess is they do and he appeals and gets to play and serves the suspension later??
Re: NFL acknowledges the refs are having issues
Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2015 2:21 pm
by Burgundy&GoldForever
Countertrey wrote:Meh...
Now, If you want to talk about Odell Beckham having license to beat the crap out of anyone he wants during, before and after a play, well, THAT certainly pertains. For all of the complaining I do of selective calls and un-made calls against my skins, NEVER have I seen anything so overt, and blatant as the deference and favoritism shown the Ginas primadonna last night... what a blatant display of deliberate blindness by officials... totally disgusting.
They're talking about a one game suspension. One game.
Re: NFL acknowledges the refs are having issues
Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2015 3:09 pm
by SkinsJock
I posted this earlier - ODB plays in NY - he's most likely getting fined - if he was a Redskin, he'd be out for a year ...
Because of that play and others, the league is reportedly considering a 1-game suspension for Beckham, according to ESPN's Adam Scheffer. However, there is reason to caution against expecting Beckham to actually sit New York's next game (Sunday against the Minnesota Vikings). First of all, the league has a long history of issuing suspensions to look as though it is rectifying an issue (i.e. Beckham probably should have been ejected, but wasn't), all the while knowing that the suspension is likely to be reduced to a heavy fine on appeal. This is especially true in the case of players like Beckham -- who had no previous history of hits to the head before Sunday.
It's even true of players with a long history of dirty play, particularly when the ensuing game has potential season-ending implications -- like Ndamukong Suh, who had his 1-game suspension for stepping on Aaron Rodgers overturned and reduced to a $70,000 fine last season and was thus able to play in the Lions' opening-round playoff game.
Another factor to consider is the relationship between New York Giants owner John Mara and the commissioner's office. Mara was previously able to get the NFL to dock the Cowboys and Washington a combined $46 million in cap space when they frontloaded contracts in the uncapped year back in 2010, arguing that the teams' actions were against the spirit of the CBA -- which did not even really exist at the time.
Basically: Mara wields a lot of influence. He is one of the league's most respected owners, and his team is fighting for a playoff spot in the NFC East. If you consider the history of Goodell's relationship with owners affecting decisions -- SpyGate, anyone? -- it is not all that difficult to envision the same thing happening here.