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Lots of talk about Gruden and Cousins…so if not Gruden, who would you hire as HC. If not Cousins, who would you draft/sign/or turn to as QB?

The coaching question is easier because there are a few ex-Redskins who would take the opportunity. Russ Grimm, for one.

The quarterback question is harder because there are very few good quarterbacks in the league and not many more serviceable ones. But if they insisted on a new quarterback I think I'd try to steal Osweiler from Denver.

Russ is interesting, the ex-Skin I wanted is gone (Bowles). My dream would be Dungy...I want a defensive HC. As for QB...Stafford my be availible??

DEHog wrote:Russ is interesting, the ex-Skin I wanted is gone (Bowles). My dream would be Dungy...I want a defensive HC. As for QB...Stafford my be availible??

I wanted Bowles too but I think that ship has sailed. He has no reason to leave the Jets. At least not yet. I have a good friend who is a Lions fan. He says Stafford makes some of the most boneheaded plays he's ever seen. Did I mention he's a Lions fan? He's seen a lot of boneheaded plays.

Million dollar arm, ten cent head.

DEHog wrote:Russ is interesting, the ex-Skin I wanted is gone (Bowles). My dream would be Dungy...I want a defensive HC. As for QB...Stafford my be availible??

We did the SB winning HC route under Danny boy...... twice (three times if you throw in Schott even though he didn't win one he's up there). And I don't see Scot bringing in a coach that could potentially compromise his leadership position within the organization....

I also wanted Bowles, but he's long gone. I can't think of anyone in particular, but there are great coaches out there, we just don't know who they are yet..... If I were forced to pick, I could only go with a "type" -- which would be a younger something-to-prove coach that is HIGHLY driven, meticulous, accountable, and competitive (ie, traits of a winner).

As for Stafford, I'd take him in about .0001 seconds over Cousins --- but he's under contract until 2018 and I would NEVER trade for him as his value would be something similar to 3 first rounders..... I only mention him because you brought him up, but in looking Cousins is EASILY the BEST UFA QB this offseason. The only other decent QB available is Osweiler --- and Cousins, IMHO, is significantly better.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/quarterback/

Stafford is a loser. Please keep that guy as far away from our team as possible. I'd much rather have Kirk pulling the trigger than Stafford.

Sean Payton might be available.

Deadskins wrote:Sean Payton might be available.

I've heard he wants a head coach/GM role. I'm not in for that.

PulpExposure wrote:

Deadskins wrote:Sean Payton might be available.

I've heard he wants a head coach/GM role. I'm not in for that.

Not a chance I'd trade Scot McCloughan for any coach / GM. We tried that once and failed miserably.

Deadskins wrote:Sean Payton might be available.

maybe he will be but I doubt very much that we're going in that direction

Staffords "positive" stats are shady because he has one of the greatest (and tallest) WRs in the league who can catch above 2-3 players at a time.

PulpExposure wrote:

Deadskins wrote:Sean Payton might be available.

I've heard he wants a head coach/GM role. I'm not in for that.

Totally agree, but if he would settle for just HC...

Deadskins wrote:

PulpExposure wrote:

Deadskins wrote:Sean Payton might be available.

I've heard he wants a head coach/GM role. I'm not in for that.

Totally agree, but if he would settle for just HC...

I'm not even sold on that. Drew Brees made him look good.

For a coach that is 10-19 there are 100s of college coaches available and a dozen NFL guys ready. Jay Gruden is not my friend he is replaceable.

For the quarterback you have the draft. Maybe 3 decent prospects in high or mid rounds that Scott could like. You also have free agency. Again we are talking about qb with a 6-7 record.

I don't think we make any rash decisions on anyone but at the same time we have to trust that Scott McCloughan will make the right decisions and give our team the best chance to win. Not the end of the world we lose either one of those guys. Trent Williams, Jordan Reed, Chris Baker, Ryan Kerrigan, Hopkins? and maybe Breeland (like his future) are the only guys that I feel would be hard to replace on our team. Other than that I'm cool with going young or free agency.

I do feel if Gruden stays then you try to keep Kirk...they are a package deal. One goes then the other should go too as well.

mastdark81 wrote:For a coach that is 10-19 there are 100s of college coaches available and a dozen NFL guys ready. Jay Gruden is not my friend he is replaceable.

Good point. Ron Rivera was 13-19 after his first two seasons with the Panthers. They should have gotten rid of him while they had the chance.

riggofan wrote:

mastdark81 wrote:For a coach that is 10-19 there are 100s of college coaches available and a dozen NFL guys ready. Jay Gruden is not my friend he is replaceable.

Good point. Ron Rivera was 13-19 after his first two seasons with the Panthers. They should have gotten rid of him while they had the chance.

And imagine what the Browns nee Ravens would never have achieved had they not had to good sense to can Bill Belichick.

PulpExposure wrote:

Deadskins wrote:Sean Payton might be available.

I've heard he wants a head coach/GM role. I'm not in for that.

Interesting. The Saints front office is pretty awful (they are known for trading away picks to move up in the draft, for instance). I wonder if he's felt like he's gotten the shaft and would actually consider a job here if he had confidence in Scot.

I think talk of replacing Gruden or Cousins seems like absolutely crazy talk to me. The team is becoming mediocre after being putrid for a long time, so mediocre is a significant step forward. Scot, Jay and Kirk seem to be on the same page I want to see it play out for a few years, I think the Skins could get good in a few seasons with Scot picking the roster and Jay & Kirk continuing to develop in their roles.

I'd settle for some strong background coaches like Callahan. We need an OC, DC and special teams coordinator that can get the most out of our guys. That would help mold Gruden too.

There is no viable option outside of Cousins at QB for 2016. And Gruden should be retained as well solely to see if this team can continue to improve.

Deadskins wrote:And imagine what the Browns nee Ravens would never have achieved had they not had to good sense to can Bill Belichick.

I would have been happy with Bowles or Russ Grimm last year. Reserving my judgement on Gruden (and hopefully Cousins) though for another year.

You guys will have better ideas on who may be better as a HC or as a QB

I'm not happy with Jay Gruden but unless there's a clearly better HC, I don't see a big reason to change - I'm not a big Kirk Cousins fan either but I can't see this franchise letting him go - I have a lot of faith in Scot and he will find a way to keep Kirk and I think Kirk will want to be here

I could care less about the win/loss record or the great QB stats - the fact is this franchise is in much better shape and the product on the field has improved - stability and accountability are words that have not been heard around this franchise for a long time

At this time I have more faith in Kirk Cousins improving than I do in Jay Gruden - Scot still needs more time, and what the hell

Deadskins wrote:

PulpExposure wrote:

Deadskins wrote:Sean Payton might be available.

I've heard he wants a head coach/GM role. I'm not in for that.

Totally agree, but if he would settle for just HC...

Although I think he'd work fine with Scot (he's had Loomis in NO his entire tenure), I personally wouldn't be a fan. He'd be incredible for Cousins, but I am just not huge on bringing in a coach with nothing to prove.

I don't think any HC in history has won a SB with 2 teams and I think one of the reasons is because the need to prove themselves is no longer necessary.

This just my personal opinion; it would be fine to bring in someone established, but not one with a ring.

This all being said, Gruden is still going to be our guy in 2016. Scot is no fool. He's not going to blow up a 2 year old coaching staff that has shown year over year improvment merely for the sake of blowing it up.

In the history of the post-Danny boy franchise, I have agreed with roughly 2 moves (literally, that is it; and this includes basically every player/coach/GM acquisition) our owner/VPs have done --- in nearly 15 years. However, when Scot came on, I have agreed with perhaps 95-100% of everything he's done both personnel wise and from a management perspective. How he has approached the season and what he has done were basically everything I would have done and have been saying to do for a long time. Therefore, I still (perhaps idiotically or in a very disillusioned way) believe he will take a similar approach as I would and keep Gruden for another season (2016) for further evaluation. Then again, I could be totally wrong.

That being said, I only know what I read and have no clue what he does behind closed doors so I could be 100% disillusioned.

let's be clear - IF Scot decides that this franchise needs a new HC it will not be "just for the sake of blowing it up ..." or "just because we think it's good for the franchise at this time ..."

Scot is responsible for building this franchise into a playoff contender and you don't discard coaches or let players go unless it's to make this franchise better - most of us agree that Jay Gruden has done well under difficult circumstances - Scot is not making a HC change unless he knows for sure that the next guy will do better - same with Kirk Cousins - Cousins' market value will be exorbitant but the Redskins can afford that, what the franchise will get in return is a contract that pays the player but has clauses that protect the franchise



it's all getting better here as long as Dan Snyder let's Scot and the FO manage things

SkinsJock wrote:let's be clear

Why start now?