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An interesting read on Cousins.

http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2015/12/01/kirk-cousins-washington-nfl

Impressive read... I recommend it! Nice find, Oldschool... thanks

that's a great read - nice to know that the BS we were hearing from the media & some here was not factual

good luck to Cousins - wouldn't it be great if we could end up 10-6 and he gets a nice payday to stay here ...

Solid read.. thanks OP

Countertrey wrote:Impressive read... I recommend it! Nice find, Oldschool... thanks

Yes, it is a very nice read, but you should be thanking StorminMormon for the find. He scooped OS by over two hours in the re-sign Cousins thread. Probably where OS "found" it.

Deadskins wrote:

Countertrey wrote:Impressive read... I recommend it! Nice find, Oldschool... thanks

Yes, it is a very nice read, but you should be thanking StorminMormon for the find. He scooped OS by over two hours in the re-sign Cousins thread. Probably where OS "found" it.

He's a good dude without question. I think Griffin has proven to be a quality, classy individual as well. Assuming he moves on next year, I really hope he keeps that up and doesn't start trashing everyone once he is settled in somewhere else. McNabb style.

It's a very good read. The speech they link to that he gave in 2011 was honestly very impressive for a young guy to deliver.

Good read and he is a very prepared professional

I believe it said he did very well his second year I disagree of thats what it says. If they are talking about 2012 he played well when he came in

What about the Bible study group the Cousins, Griffin, McCoy and their spouses participate in weekly? This blows out of the water media reports that Cousins and Griffin couldn't stand each other

StorminMormon86 wrote:

Deadskins wrote:

Countertrey wrote:Impressive read... I recommend it! Nice find, Oldschool... thanks

Yes, it is a very nice read, but you should be thanking StorminMormon for the find. He scooped OS by over two hours in the re-sign Cousins thread. Probably where OS "found" it.

I saw on Facebook first and posted it here without reading SM's post in the other Cousins.

Good read, but I was a bit bothered by this:
“He has a perspective that I can only control what I can control,” Don Cousins says. “We really believe that God holds sway over the direction of our lives. Kirk believes that God put him in Washington to start out. Doesn’t mean he’s going to be there long term, but to start out. In faith and character he’s kept his equilibrium in a challenging set of circumstances.”

And it's true.

markshark84 wrote:Good read, but I was a bit bothered by this:
“He has a perspective that I can only control what I can control,” Don Cousins says. “We really believe that God holds sway over the direction of our lives. Kirk believes that God put him in Washington to start out. Doesn’t mean he’s going to be there long term, but to start out. In faith and character he’s kept his equilibrium in a challenging set of circumstances.”

And it's true.

So, which part bothers you? The part where he believes in the boogie man or the part where it doesn't mean he's going to be here long term? Both bother me. Not to turn this into a religion debate but not everyone believes in a god. Personally, there may or may not be a god (I'd like some empirical evidence of one) but if there is one he/she/it has more pressing concerns than who is doing what in a football game. If the god most people seem to believe in actually existed and cared about each individual and planned for some people to play football then that god would probably look out for those people a little more on the injury front since that's specifically god's plan for those people.

By the same token, that god wouldn't give one rat's rear where a player played based upon financial considerations.

I think god needs to be removed from the sports equation. It's intellectual dishonesty.

Having said that, god wants you in D.C., Kirk!

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:

markshark84 wrote:Good read, but I was a bit bothered by this:
“He has a perspective that I can only control what I can control,” Don Cousins says. “We really believe that God holds sway over the direction of our lives. Kirk believes that God put him in Washington to start out. Doesn’t mean he’s going to be there long term, but to start out. In faith and character he’s kept his equilibrium in a challenging set of circumstances.”

And it's true.

So, which part bothers you? The part where he believes in the boogie man or the part where it doesn't mean he's going to be here long term? Both bother me. Not to turn this into a religion debate but not everyone believes in a god. Personally, there may or may not be a god (I'd like some empirical evidence of one) but if there is one he/she/it has more pressing concerns than who is doing what in a football game. If the god most people seem to believe in actually existed and cared about each individual and planned for some people to play football then that god would probably look out for those people a little more on the injury front since that's specifically god's plan for those people.

By the same token, that god wouldn't give one rat's rear where a player played based upon financial considerations.

I think god needs to be removed from the sports equation. It's intellectual dishonesty.

Having said that, god wants you in D.C., Kirk!

I was wondering the same thing without all the snide comments about God. And I don't see any intellectual dishonesty with God being in the sports equation. Whether or not He favors a particular team, is a load of crap, but I don't see any issues with people being injured during their careers and it still being part of God's plan for that individual. Personally, some of the biggest setbacks in my life, which may have seemed unbearable at the time, have worked out for the better in the long run, and I can clearly see God in the equation.

Did you guys miss the part where it said his father is a minister and Kirk is very devout as well? Theology aside, Dan and Kirk believe God plays a role and every aspect of life. As for the being there for the long term phrase I think that was a past reference to peacefully accepting being drafted to be a backup by the Skins and deciding to make the most of it with the possibility of becoming a starter with another team.

Deadskins wrote:

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:So, which part bothers you? The part where he believes in the boogie man or the part where it doesn't mean he's going to be here long term? Both bother me. Not to turn this into a religion debate but not everyone believes in a god. Personally, there may or may not be a god (I'd like some empirical evidence of one) but if there is one he/she/it has more pressing concerns than who is doing what in a football game. If the god most people seem to believe in actually existed and cared about each individual and planned for some people to play football then that god would probably look out for those people a little more on the injury front since that's specifically god's plan for those people.

By the same token, that god wouldn't give one rat's rear where a player played based upon financial considerations.

I think god needs to be removed from the sports equation. It's intellectual dishonesty.

Having said that, god wants you in D.C., Kirk!

I was wondering the same thing without all the snide comments about God. And I don't see any intellectual dishonesty with God being in the sports equation. Whether or not He favors a particular team, is a load of crap, but I don't see any issues with people being injured during their careers and it still being part of God's plan for that individual. Personally, some of the biggest setbacks in my life, which may have seemed unbearable at the time, have worked out for the better in the long run, and I can clearly see God in the equation.

I guess I can see the confusion. I was talking about the fact Cousins' father said it doesn't mean Kirk is here long term and how he was placed into a challenging set of circumstances given he was drafted in the same year as the purported "franchise QB". And in particular, how he put an emphasis on how this was not a long term thing (although I am not sure when the article was researched). I just copied and pasted the paragraph; it was faster. Regardless, lets keep the issue on the "long term" comment.

And B&G --- if you don't want to turn a thread into a religious debate (which you state in similar fashion to a "no offense, but" comment), I recommend you refrain from providing your personal opinion on the subject. No one gives two sh!^s what your opinions/theories are on "God" or "god". We all have an opinion on it and I'm sure they all differ in some way. This is a redskins forum; not facebook --- lets keep it that way.

Deadskins wrote:I was wondering the same thing without all the snide comments about God. And I don't see any intellectual dishonesty with God being in the sports equation. Whether or not He favors a particular team, is a load of crap, but I don't see any issues with people being injured during their careers and it still being part of God's plan for that individual. Personally, some of the biggest setbacks in my life, which may have seemed unbearable at the time, have worked out for the better in the long run, and I can clearly see God in the equation.

They weren't intended to be snide. Quite the opposite, they were intended not to start a debate on religion since this seems like the wrong place for one.

I think the decision on where Kirk Cousins plays in 2016 is in the hands of one person: Scot McCloughan. That ERFT is a powerful thing.

Here's a thought though: Would it be worth it to Scot McCloughan to dangle the Non-Exclusive Franchise Tag? Every team needs a quarterback but two first round picks might be tempting if another team values Cousins that much.

I guess it's really going to depend on what he does the last five games of this season although he had ridiculous numbers against some of the league's best teams, even if the final score didn't always indicate the same.

Let me just say I wouldn't want to be Scot McCloughan. He can have that job. I'll stick with being a fan who doesn't have to make those decisions.

markshark84 wrote:I guess I can see the confusion. I was talking about the fact Cousins' father said it doesn't mean Kirk is here long term and how he was placed into a challenging set of circumstances given he was drafted in the same year as the purported "franchise QB". And in particular, how he put an emphasis on how this was not a long term thing (although I am not sure when the article was researched). I just copied and pasted the paragraph; it was faster. Regardless, lets keep the issue on the "long term" comment.

Fortunately for us that's not Don Cousins' decision to make. We can keep him here as long as we want if we're wiling to pay for it. He can't refuse to be franchise tagged. Scot McCloughan isn't Jerry Jones. There is a limit to how much he will pay for a quarterback who hasn't won a playoff game. Now, if Cousins wins a playoff game this year it's going to get very expensive to keep him beyond next season.

OldSchool wrote:What about the Bible study group the Cousins, Griffin, McCoy and their spouses participate in weekly? This blows out of the water media reports that Cousins and Griffin couldn't stand each other

Hard to believe the media sometimes

Christ, it was a quote from his father about how Kirk trusts God's plan wherever he ends up.

I don't see anything wrong about that quote at all. He is a FA next year, and he doesn't know if he'll be in Washington.

StorminMormon86 wrote:Christ, it was a quote from his father about how Kirk trusts God's plan wherever he ends up.

I don't see anything wrong about that quote at all. He is a FA next year, and he doesn't know if he'll be in Washington.

First off --- LOL on the "Christ" intro. Nice play.

As to the quote --- I guess my concern is that the ball in 100% in Cousins' court. If Kirk wanted to be here next year --- he would without question. Scot will offer him a contract (whether big or small) --- he has earned that. I don't think that is debatable among sound-minded individuals. What bothers me is that knowing this, his father still made the "not long term" type statement.

There are a lot more players in the NFL that participate in prayer meetings on and off the playing field and believe in God than don't

having a player express his beliefs is not a bad thing except to those that don't understand it

Good luck to Kirk Cousins and to Robert Griffin III - especially because they are not afraid to show how they feel about their belief in GOD


I'm going to church this Sunday to pray for Kirk Cousins ... can't hurt

StorminMormon86 wrote:Christ, it was a quote from his father about how Kirk trusts God's plan wherever he ends up.

I don't see anything wrong about that quote at all. He is a FA next year, and he doesn't know if he'll be in Washington.

Everything is wrong with that quote. It isn't "god's plan." There is no god, or at least no proof of one. If there were one it would have better things to do than care where Kirk Cousins plays football.

Pawning the responsibility of his future off on a god is crap. It's his decision and he has to live with the consequences.

Again, having said that, god wants you in D.C., Kirk.

That was a great article. There is so much to like about Cousins but he tries his best to keep humble and focus on the team, giving credit to others, etc. I really liked the anecdote about how he'd give a ride to a fellow MSU player who was having trouble making it to practice on time.

Great stuff.