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His offense is 28th in points (Cowboys unfortunately are ahead of us in this category without Dez and Romo) so I don't want to hear about lack of djax

29th in yards per game, 30th yards per play, 18th first downs per game.

On a positive note we are the 6th least penalized team.

This guy has been a joke! Just being real. I never hear anyone comment about this guy. He deserves some responsibility as well.
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Yeah I can't believe this guy hasn't turned last year's 4-12 team into an offensive juggernaut yet. boo Sean. boo. what a joke you are man.
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I've been wondering if we are seeing McVay or Gruden calling the shots? Do you think McVay called the 4th down play, even after the penalty?
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oj wrote:I've been wondering if we are seeing McVay or Gruden calling the shots? Do you think McVay called the 4th down play, even after the penalty?


That is a good question. Thing is they don't clearly explain who does what. We do know that when The Shanahan's were here, Mike left the offensive entirely up to Kyle with his input on the run scheme. With this crew who knows who does what. I just know we are not effective considering the talent we have on the team. No we don't have a top 5 WR but you cannot tell me Terrence Williams, Cole Beasley, Witten are better tandems than our squad yet they have put up more points.

The only issue was the offensive line from a talent stand point and I think they did slightly improve that.

But waaait a minute. We was suppose to have a REAL QB at the helm too that was going to move the offense, see the field, and the most important thing that Jay stresses "get rid of it!". Whats going on folks?
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riggofan wrote:Yeah I can't believe this guy hasn't turned last year's 4-12 team into an offensive juggernaut yet. boo Sean. boo. what a joke you are man.


Don't forget he was the offensive coordinator of the 4-12 team too. Bruce & Scott have put the talent together. How is Carolina Panthers scoring more points with literally no WRS, average offensive line, and just 1 good TE?
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riggofan wrote:Yeah I can't believe this guy hasn't turned last year's 4-12 team into an offensive juggernaut yet. boo Sean. boo. what a joke you are man.


Don't forget he was the offensive coordinator of the 4-12 team too.


Come on, man.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... lls-plays/
Sean McVay will coach quarterbacks while Jay Gruden calls plays
As it turns out, he won’t be taking on all the responsibilities typically associated with the coordinator job. During an interview with John Keim of ESPN.com, McVay described head coach Jay Gruden as the offensive coordinator who would call plays while McVay will fill his time with other responsibilities.

“It’ll be one of those deals where I help Jay wherever I need to fill in. I’ll coach quarterbacks this year too,” McVay said. “Jay will be the offensive coordinator and call the plays. "


This isn't really news to anyone. But yeah let's get rid of him, he sucks. I'm sure the next guy will be awesome.
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With riggofan's link it will give gruden a harder job keeping his job
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I'm not a Gruden fan but I want to see him finish out this season - I want all of these players and coaches to clearly show that they should be brought back here - btw - that includes the QB and the HC :lol:

8 games to go

and this week we get the Saints who have given up unbelievable yards the past 2 weeks - this should be fun ... :twisted:
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SkinsJock wrote:I want all of these players and coaches to clearly show that they should be brought back here - btw - that includes the QB and the HC :lol:

That is what upper management is apparently doing. If the season ended today, I think a lot would lose their job including the HC. I'd like to see McVay call the plays.
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EA7649 wrote:That is what upper management is apparently doing. If the season ended today, I think a lot would lose their job including the HC. I'd like to see McVay call the plays.


I'd like to see good, established head coaching candidates wanting the job but Snyder screwed that up. No one with any real credibility wants the job. That's how Gruden got it in the first place.
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Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:
EA7649 wrote:That is what upper management is apparently doing. If the season ended today, I think a lot would lose their job including the HC. I'd like to see McVay call the plays.


I'd like to see good, established head coaching candidates wanting the job but Snyder screwed that up. No one with any real credibility wants the job. That's how Gruden got it in the first place.


Yes I would want to see who wants the job. And maybe the oline coach would want a promotion...hmm
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mastdark81 wrote:
riggofan wrote:Yeah I can't believe this guy hasn't turned last year's 4-12 team into an offensive juggernaut yet. boo Sean. boo. what a joke you are man.


Don't forget he was the offensive coordinator of the 4-12 team too.


Come on, man.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... lls-plays/
Sean McVay will coach quarterbacks while Jay Gruden calls plays
As it turns out, he won’t be taking on all the responsibilities typically associated with the coordinator job. During an interview with John Keim of ESPN.com, McVay described head coach Jay Gruden as the offensive coordinator who would call plays while McVay will fill his time with other responsibilities.

“It’ll be one of those deals where I help Jay wherever I need to fill in. I’ll coach quarterbacks this year too,” McVay said. “Jay will be the offensive coordinator and call the plays. "


This isn't really news to anyone. But yeah let's get rid of him, he sucks. I'm sure the next guy will be awesome.


So essentially McVay gets demoted with "other" responsibilities lol. What the heck is he doing? Just help hahaha. Man get that loser back to being a te coach cause numbers dont lie. Jay and crew 28/29th in offense. Was putrid last year too.

The thing about our defense...lets say most defenses in the league suck. Thats just how the league is. You have around 5 good defenses and the rest can play like crap any given Sunday. But our offense? In a league designed for offenses to succeed we are 29th in scoring points WITH THE QB THE MEDIA HAVE brainwashed everybody in thinking is THE BEST OPTION LOL and Jays handpicked guy.

Either Jay and crew are poor coaches or the media lied to yall.
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Jay passed up Wade Phillips, architect of the number 1 defense in the league.

Jay doesn't know what he is doing. with football. with coordinators. with anything.

I understand that many of you accept authority and love the coach just...because...he's...the coach. You love his pressers and tough sound bites even though he is 7-17 and inconsistent mentally. But your assumption that allows you to feel this way is that the Coach is competent. Jay Gruden is not competent. He is actually a moron. Once you accept this change in assumption, reality and aspiration all falls into place. It becomes crystal clear.
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Many here should just chill out - the fact is most everyone here is doing a pretty good job and the franchise is getting better

I don't think Jay Gruden is coming back as the HC but that is not because he's not doing a good job - he's actually doing his job well he just doesn't have much to work with - Gruden is most likely gone just because Dan Snyder is the owner - this franchise needs another draft or 2 with Scot as the GM and Gruden as the HC, but that likely is not happening

this product on the field is better but Dan Snyder is still the owner and while some progress has been made, I'm afraid he's going to get
rid of Jay Gruden, not because Gruden has done a bad job, but because Dan Snyder doesn't have a clue

I'm not happy about a lot of things but the product on the field is improving and I do think there is more accountability here than in the past - unfortunately, Dan Snyder is still the owner :(
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I think Gruden is coming back. Barring a complete meltdown over the next seven games. It would be epic-ly stupid to fire him two years into a five year contract while SM is trying to rebuild the roster. McCloughan does not appear to be an idiot from what I can tell. He told everyone back in April we probably would not be very good this season. He's a football guy who - unlike fans - is realistic when he looks at our roster and understands that we need more talent there if we're going to win consistently.
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riggofan wrote:I think Gruden is coming back. Barring a complete meltdown over the next seven games. It would be epic-ly stupid to fire him two years into a five year contract while SM is trying to rebuild the roster. McCloughan does not appear to be an idiot from what I can tell. He told everyone back in April we probably would not be very good this season. He's a football guy who - unlike fans - is realistic when he looks at our roster and understands that we need more talent there if we're going to win consistently.


If we could get a couple more years out of Gruden and Scot, we'd be able to attract a much better HC as the franchise would be in better shape

unfortunately, we have Dan Snyder and all bets are off ...
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SkinsJock wrote:If we could get a couple more years out of Gruden and Scot, we'd be able to attract a much better HC as the franchise would be in better shape

unfortunately, we have Dan Snyder and all bets are off ...


I mean, sure. We have Dan Snyder, so you can never be sure of anything. But it doesn't seem like there has been any indication that Gruden is on the hot seat or is likely to be fired at the end of the season. Its not like the Shanahan year or the end of Zorn when there was all of this stuff leaking out. Just the fact that the team has stayed the course on Cousins so far seems unusual compared to previous years.

I just don't see any reason to believe Gruden is likely to be fired this year other than "That's what Dan Snyder always does".

I've written about this previously, but the smart move is to stay the course and rebuild the roster. A new coach and coaching staff completely disrupts that process.
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riggofan wrote:I mean, sure. We have Dan Snyder, so you can never be sure of anything. But it doesn't seem like there has been any indication that Gruden is on the hot seat or is likely to be fired at the end of the season.

Just the fact that the team has stayed the course on Cousins so far seems unusual compared to previous years.

I just don't see any reason to believe Gruden is likely to be fired this year other than "That's what Dan Snyder always does".

I've written about this previously, but the smart move is to stay the course and rebuild the roster.


Dan Snyder decided to add Robert Griffin III - not a smart move

Dan Snyder basically forced the Shanahans out - not a smart move

Dan Snyder brought in Jay Gruden with the mandate to 'fix' a QB that could not be fixed - not a smart move

Dan Snyder made the FO keep Robert Griffin III despite Jay Gruden's feelings - not a smart move

I agree with you .... but :twisted:
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SkinsJock wrote:Dan Snyder decided to add Robert Griffin III - not a smart move

Dan Snyder basically forced the Shanahans out - not a smart move

Dan Snyder brought in Jay Gruden with the mandate to 'fix' a QB that could not be fixed - not a smart move

Dan Snyder made the FO keep Robert Griffin III despite Jay Gruden's feelings - not a smart move

I agree with you .... but :twisted:


I would never argue against any of this. All true. Snyder has been a nightmare.
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riggofan wrote:
SkinsJock wrote:Dan Snyder decided to add Robert Griffin III - not a smart move

Dan Snyder basically forced the Shanahans out - not a smart move

Dan Snyder brought in Jay Gruden with the mandate to 'fix' a QB that could not be fixed - not a smart move

Dan Snyder made the FO keep Robert Griffin III despite Jay Gruden's feelings - not a smart move

I agree with you .... but :twisted:


I would never argue against any of this. All true. Snyder has been a nightmare.


Dan has pretty much let Scot & the FO do their thing here this season - we just have to hope that he continues to stay out of the way

Scot can remake this franchise pretty quickly if he's allowed to
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SkinsJock wrote:Dan Snyder made the FO keep Robert Griffin III despite Jay Gruden's feelings - not a smart move

We don't know this for sure.
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SkinsJock wrote:Dan Snyder made the FO keep Robert Griffin III despite Jay Gruden's feelings - not a smart move
We don't know this for sure.
No, but it makes sense to me ... :lol:
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SkinsJock wrote:
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SkinsJock wrote:Dan Snyder made the FO keep Robert Griffin III despite Jay Gruden's feelings - not a smart move
We don't know this for sure.
No, but it makes sense to me ... :lol:


The team is still paying him $3.35 million this season in addition to the $3.35 million they've already paid him. If they can get anything for him between now and June 1st they will take it over simply releasing him. It really isn't complicated and it's not Dan Snyder pulling strings. It's just business sense that you minimize your losses if possible. Dan Snyder may be dumb as a stump when it comes to football personnel and operations but billionaires don't get to be billionaires by being stupid about business. The team needs as many draft picks as it can get and while I doubt it will happen since everyone except a few people on this site knows RGIII has played his last down for this team and will be an unrestricted free agent, they have nothing to lose by keeping him on the roster until all chance of a team offering compensation is lost. They're paying him either way. Conditional late round draft picks and compensatory picks look like gold to a team with this many needs.

Did I mention they're paying him either way? 8-[
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Griffin is here because Dan Snyder wants him here ... if Dan Snyder wanted him gone he would be gone

I'm not as convinced as others that Griffin has no future as a QB in the NFL

we shall see

I'm also not as down on any of our coaches or players as some here - we are rebuilding this franchise and there are many that are here that do not suit what Scot has in mind for this franchise - he 'inherited' Gruden and I'm sure he wants to see for himself what he's got here

8 more games and there are some that have a lot to do to continue as an active participant in B&G :lol:
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SkinsJock wrote:Griffin is here because Dan Snyder wants him here ... if Dan Snyder wanted him gone he would be gone


hah. Well you can say that about everyone from Kirk Cousins to the equipment manager. It doesn't necessarily mean what you're claiming it does. i.e. everyone else wanted Griffin gone but Snyder won't allow it.

There are other legit reasons why the GM might have decided to keep him on the roster. Obviously, hanging on to him to see if a trade materialized made sense. And strategically you wouldn't want the Eagles to pick RG3 up mid-December when Bradford shreds his knee or something.

Maybe they decided they just didn't want to completely screw him over. Its much better for Griffin and his future to be released in the offseason than it is to be released mid November, grabbed off the waiver wire and pressed into action by the Jags or something.
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