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Kirk Cousins -

Here are some key stats to gauge our qb that seems fair in comparison to other qbs. Some say wins is a team thing, total passing yards could be biased depending on how much a team throws, etc. So here are some I pulled from pro football reference that can give us an idea of how Kirk is doing exactly mid season

NFL (quarterbacks with at least 70 passes).
Pass Completion Percentage: 9th
Pass Yards Per Attempt: 37th
Touchdown Passes: 19th (tied)
Interceptions Thrown: 6th (tied) most
Sack Percentage Per Pass Attempt: 2nd least
NFL QB Passer Rating: 28th
ESPNS QBR Rating: 20th

Excellent in sacks allowed one of the best, extremely poor at yards per attempt, and about middle to low of pack of everything else.

He's definitely showing improvement over seasons past. He needs to be a little more consistent still, but I can see the progress. Has to work on his deep throws, and make sure his mechanics stay sharp, and he could be a pretty good QB in a couple of years.

Deadskins wrote:He's definitely showing improvement over seasons past. He needs to be a little more consistent still, but I can see the progress. Has to work on his deep throws, and make sure his mechanics stay sharp, and he could be a pretty good QB in a couple of years.

I agree and based of the stats I think he is only an average quarterback. Not a quarterback to build a franchise with!

Also believe pass per attempt really should be considered this coaches stat and pass per completion partly with the coach with the short passes. You also have to remember some speed with D-Jax being injured.

Kirk Cousins has taken advantage of his situation to a certain extent - he still seems to be a little tentative about throwing the 15 to 20 yard pass but that could be a factor of not wanting to hold the ball too long and worrying about turning the ball over

It's frustrating to see him be almost there but not quite - I still think he's not quite got the confidence you need to be a good starting QB

he also does not seem to enjoy playing the game as some QBs do

8 games to go and show he's better than an above average QB

Is that this year only? Look at the teams we've had to play, almost all of our games are playoff caliber teams. I wonder if they factored that in somehow.

Deadskins wrote:He's definitely showing improvement over seasons past. He needs to be a little more consistent still, but I can see the progress. Has to work on his deep throws, and make sure his mechanics stay sharp, and he could be a pretty good QB in a couple of years.

Charles Barkley have shown improvement in his golf swing as well over pasts years lol. We can't compare Kirk to Kirk in the past as the only measurement. You only can compare him to the opposition of the current year. Bottomline is do you see Kirk good enough to get us to the playoffs year in and year out? If the answer is yes then once he does that then you ask the question is he good enough to win a Super Bowl.

We have to remember Kirk is no longer a rookie. Games matter so in that regard he is in-experienced but he only have 16 games to date of his 4 year career for a good reason.

SkinsJock wrote:Kirk Cousins has taken advantage of his situation to a certain extent - he still seems to be a little tentative about throwing the 15 to 20 yard pass but that could be a factor of not wanting to hold the ball too long and worrying about turning the ball over

It's frustrating to see him be almost there but not quite - I still think he's not quite got the confidence you need to be a good starting QB

he also does not seem to enjoy playing the game as some QBs do

8 games to go and show he's better than an above average QB

I agree

oj wrote:Is that this year only? Look at the teams we've had to play, almost all of our games are playoff caliber teams. I wonder if they factored that in somehow.

Those are stats from this year only. Not a personal preference ranking but actual stat ranking.

SkinsJock wrote:he also does not seem to enjoy playing the game as some QBs do

Like the one prior who was constantly being scrapped off of the field after taking a hellacious sack? Yeah he was having a hell of a time.

I hope that Kirk can lift the level of his play so that he can be a part of this franchise going forward - there is a lot to like about his play at QB

he's just not there yet ... he's still just a good back-up QB, that seems to not have the confidence to put it all together and carry a struggling offense like we have here on his back

Kirk is playing on a BAD team. If he is turning in average QB performances with this sad sack team his first year starting that is very promising. If one of the really good QBs like Brady, either Manning, Romo or Rogers was playing for the Skins their year to date stats would be better than Kirk who made his 9-16 starts, I'll give his many critics that much. His critics, that is about half the group here, can find fault in his play but I think Kirk has done very well factoring in his experience level, the team is playing on and the schedule they have played.

Take yesterday for example, does anyone here believe the Skins would have won with Tom Brady playing for them? Do you think Brady gets a win against the Pats when 9 good passes that were dropped? Conversely, does anyone really doubt the Pats would've won if Cousins had played like he did in a Pats uniform yesterday? The Pats still would've won.

You guys pining for Griffin don't understand the NFL any better than Griffin knows the playbook. Cousins will start for someone next season because he's a starter and the Skins might not make the best offer.

SkinsJock wrote:I hope that Kirk can lift the level of his play so that he can be a part of this franchise going forward - there is a lot to like about his play at QB

he's just not there yet ... he's still just a good back-up QB, that seems to not have the confidence to put it all together and carry a struggling offense like we have here on his back

How would YOUR QB have done against the Pats? Oh never mind, when he got sacked for the 20th time you would've blamed the OL like he always did.....

mastdark81 wrote:

Deadskins wrote:He's definitely showing improvement over seasons past. He needs to be a little more consistent still, but I can see the progress. Has to work on his deep throws, and make sure his mechanics stay sharp, and he could be a pretty good QB in a couple of years.

Charles Barkley have shown improvement in his golf swing as well over pasts years lol. We can't compare Kirk to Kirk in the past as the only measurement. You only can compare him to the opposition of the current year. Bottomline is do you see Kirk good enough to get us to the playoffs year in and year out? If the answer is yes then once he does that then you ask the question is he good enough to win a Super Bowl.

We have to remember Kirk is no longer a rookie. Games matter so in that regard he is in-experienced but he only have 16 games to date of his 4 year career for a good reason.

Do you consider the owner forcing coaches to play Griffin a GOOD reason? If Griffin had survived the Detroit preseason game we'd have been stuck watching him getting sacked until the inevitable injury occurred. It happened during the preseason this year and Gruden has the good sense not to play him any further.

OldSchool wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:I hope that Kirk can lift the level of his play so that he can be a part of this franchise going forward - there is a lot to like about his play at QB

he's just not there yet ... he's still just a good back-up QB, that seems to not have the confidence to put it all together and carry a struggling offense like we have here on his back

How would YOUR QB have done against the Pats? Oh never mind, when he got sacked for the 20th time you would've blamed the OL like he always did.....

Dude, just stop. Can't we just talk about Cousins without throwing Griffin into the mix? RG3 has nothing to do with Kirk's performance this year.

EA7649 wrote:I agree and based of the stats I think he is only an average quarterback. Not a quarterback to build a franchise with!

This sort of bugs me, man. Because I agree with you that he's probably an average QB. But on the other hand I think we might need to build around an average QB for a while.

riggofan wrote:

EA7649 wrote:I agree and based of the stats I think he is only an average quarterback. Not a quarterback to build a franchise with!

This sort of bugs me, man. Because I agree with you that he's probably an average QB. But on the other hand I think we might need to build around an average QB for a while.

It bugs me more that an average quarterback would be better than any we've had since Mark Brunell.

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:

riggofan wrote:

EA7649 wrote:I agree and based of the stats I think he is only an average quarterback. Not a quarterback to build a franchise with!

This sort of bugs me, man. Because I agree with you that he's probably an average QB. But on the other hand I think we might need to build around an average QB for a while.

It bugs me more that an average quarterback would be better than any we've had since Mark Brunell.

Not just better. WAY better.

It's really pretty depressing, all things considered. Some franchises go from Peyton Manning to Andrew Luck, or Joe Montana to Steve Young.

Our franchise goes from Jeff George to Tony Banks.

The Redskins are 8th in 3rd down conversions, 3rd on the money down and most of that is Kirk. The running game was impressive for a couple of games but after that Kirk has been carrying the team.

I agree that Kirk appears to be an average QB based on stats alone.

Stats, however, only tell part of the story. One thing of mention is that we have absolutely no running game or support for Kirk from almost all other offensive players -- which was clearly evident in the Pats game. All things considered, he has played better than I anticipated this year. He has definetely earned being the permanent starter for the rest of the season...... and as far as moving past this year, it will depend on whether he decides to resign with us (and yes, it will be up to him, not the skins).

riggofan wrote: ... I agree with you that he's probably an average QB. But on the other hand I think we might need to build around an average QB for a while.

that's the thing - it's looking very much like this kid could be our QB for another year or so while we build around him - be nice if he could prove to be better than just a good back-up QB that's nervous about turning the ball over - Cousins needs to get out there and start having some fun and changing to a run play if he wants to or throwing the ball down the field every now and then ...

there seems to me to be very little hope that Jay Gruden will be here for much longer - he does not seem to be into the job as much as he should be - so next season we may have another new HC - MAYBE Griffin can provide some help at QB as well

PulpExposure wrote:Not just better. WAY better.

It's really pretty depressing, all things considered. Some franchises go from Peyton Manning to Andrew Luck, or Joe Montana to Steve Young.

Our franchise goes from Jeff George to Tony Banks.

To Shane Matthews to Patrick Ramsey. In 15 seasons we've had two decent quarterbacks, Brad Johnson and Mark Brunell, neither of whom were our own draft picks. We let Trent Green get away the previous year (1999) and let Johnson walk away to Tampa the following season (2001) because of the aforementioned Tony Banks and Jeff George, who played that season with all the NFL skill of Gladys George. It seems like some "fans" either forgot the history or never knew it.

If Kirk Cousins continues to be Kirk Cousins he's not going anywhere.

OldSchool wrote:Kirk is playing on a BAD team. If he is turning in average QB performances with this sad sack team his first year starting that is very promising. If one of the really good QBs like Brady, either Manning, Romo or Rogers was playing for the Skins their year to date stats would be better than Kirk who made his 9-16 starts, I'll give his many critics that much. His critics, that is about half the group here, can find fault in his play but I think Kirk has done very well factoring in his experience level, the team is playing on and the schedule they have played.

Take yesterday for example, does anyone here believe the Skins would have won with Tom Brady playing for them? Do you think Brady gets a win against the Pats when 9 good passes that were dropped? Conversely, does anyone really doubt the Pats would've won if Cousins had played like he did in a Pats uniform yesterday? The Pats still would've won.

You guys pining for Griffin don't understand the NFL any better than Griffin knows the playbook. Cousins will start for someone next season because he's a starter and the Skins might not make the best offer.

How is he playing on a bad team? You cannot say he doesn't have the WRS...Garcon/DJax while not hall of famers or consistent probowlers are good WRS (compare them to Panthers). Jordan Reed is a top 5 TE this year. Offensive line as a pass blocking unit is good this year cause Kirk gets rid of the ball quickly and we have Trent Williams. So what is stopping our offense from being just DECENT?

Yes we would have won with Tom Brady playing for us. If he had his coaches and scheme over here. Patriots dropped 3 balls 1 was a touch down pass. How many TD passes did our team drop? We had a whole second half to correct and overcome the drops and they didn't. Cousins would be in better shape with the Pats to answer your question.

No one is pinning for Griffin. Griffin is going to be gone!! He is not even suiting up. I'm on to the next steps and that is evaluating Kirk. So with that said that was the origin of my post. We cannot compare Griffin & Kirk forever. At some point you gotta be realistic and start evaluating Kirk alongside other GOOD qbs that are not on the roster.

OldSchool wrote:

mastdark81 wrote:

Deadskins wrote:He's definitely showing improvement over seasons past. He needs to be a little more consistent still, but I can see the progress. Has to work on his deep throws, and make sure his mechanics stay sharp, and he could be a pretty good QB in a couple of years.

Charles Barkley have shown improvement in his golf swing as well over pasts years lol. We can't compare Kirk to Kirk in the past as the only measurement. You only can compare him to the opposition of the current year. Bottomline is do you see Kirk good enough to get us to the playoffs year in and year out? If the answer is yes then once he does that then you ask the question is he good enough to win a Super Bowl.

We have to remember Kirk is no longer a rookie. Games matter so in that regard he is in-experienced but he only have 16 games to date of his 4 year career for a good reason.

Do you consider the owner forcing coaches to play Griffin a GOOD reason? If Griffin had survived the Detroit preseason game we'd have been stuck watching him getting sacked until the inevitable injury occurred. It happened during the preseason this year and Gruden has the good sense not to play him any further.

I don't think the owner forced the coaches to play RG3 I think Kirk forced them to go back because he wasn't winning games last year. Now they did seem to force that upon Colt McCoy because he was on a winning streak. Griffin is not even suiting up though! So I'm passed that. I'm with evaluating Kirk Cousins. Griffin is gone next year. The goal is to identify if we have a long term or short term QB, thus posting his mid season statistics. What do you think? Re-sign him long term.

OldSchool wrote:The Redskins are 8th in 3rd down conversions, 3rd on the money down and most of that is Kirk. The running game was impressive for a couple of games but after that Kirk has been carrying the team.

Kirk has been impressive on 3rd downs. I believe I heard something about he doesn't throw picks in the redzone either. Problem is 3rd down is just a small bit of the picture. You have to score points ultimately and make plays (touchdowns). I mean everything isn't on him, because our running game stinks!! But it did to a degree last year as well.

But at the end of the day you have to make plays to win in this league.

markshark84 wrote:I agree that Kirk appears to be an average QB based on stats alone.

Stats, however, only tell part of the story. One thing of mention is that we have absolutely no running game or support for Kirk from almost all other offensive players -- which was clearly evident in the Pats game. All things considered, he has played better than I anticipated this year. He has definetely earned being the permanent starter for the rest of the season...... and as far as moving past this year, it will depend on whether he decides to resign with us (and yes, it will be up to him, not the skins).

I agree we have no running game...but you also have to think about this too. If he is 37th...not 32....37th!!! in the league in pass per attempt, maybe that is one of the factors that hurt the running game. Teams know he isn't going to beat them and drop the safety in the box and play the run.