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In the dark Jason Campbell days, folks may recall me talking about "It".

It's an intangible that winning quarterbacks often possess, that allows them to put the team on their backs in the 4th quarter, and get it done. Jason had a cannon arm... but never displayed an ounce of "It". It is why he was never going to be a real NFL quality quarterback. It's why he turned into a marginal journeyman for the bulk of his career.

But... 2 end of the game, come from behind victories... and one that would have been so, had the coaching staff not made the inexplicable decision to go for 2 with a ton of time on the clock.

The body of evidence is growing. Kirk Cousins is NOT Brett Favre... but, despite his continuing learning curve... he sure as hell looks like he has a TON of "It".

#YOULIKETHAT!!!

Yes, Kirk... Yes I do.

Kirk Cousins may not be Brett Favre but there are some notable similarities. He believes he is in every game until the final snap. He never looks defeated until the game clock strikes zero and it is a defeat. He never gives up on a teammate who misses on a play (See Roberts, Andre). He never blames anyone else for his mistakes. Really, the only thing to dislike about Cousins is his inconsistency. "It" is a will to win to such extent that he puts the team on his back and says "We're going to do this together." We. Not Me. Look at how the defense changed its attitude completely after he scored.

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:Kirk Cousins may not be Brett Favre but there are some notable similarities. He believes he is in every game until the final snap. He never looks defeated until the game clock strikes zero and it is a defeat. He never gives up on a teammate who misses on a play (See Roberts, Andre). He never blames anyone else for his mistakes. Really, the only thing to dislike about Cousins is his inconsistency. "It" is a will to win to such extent that he puts the team on his back and says "We're going to do this together." We. Not Me. Look at how the defense changed its attitude completely after he scored.

There are other similarities, as well... Favre had some REAL problems with inconsistency, early in his career (in fairness, maybe that was mostly because his HC was a complete ass [Jerry Glanville])... and was traded by his original team, the Falcons, which has spent the last 20 years regretting their move... Every once in a while a player who looks to be a career journeyman comes along... and blows up into something special. Maybe we'll luck out. We are due for a little favor from karma.

Countertrey wrote:

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:Kirk Cousins may not be Brett Favre but there are some notable similarities. He believes he is in every game until the final snap. He never looks defeated until the game clock strikes zero and it is a defeat. He never gives up on a teammate who misses on a play (See Roberts, Andre). He never blames anyone else for his mistakes. Really, the only thing to dislike about Cousins is his inconsistency. "It" is a will to win to such extent that he puts the team on his back and says "We're going to do this together." We. Not Me. Look at how the defense changed its attitude completely after he scored.

There are other similarities, as well... Favre had some REAL problems with inconsistency, early in his career (in fairness, maybe that was mostly because his HC was a complete ass [Jerry Glanville])... and was traded by his original team, the Falcons, which has spent the last 20 years regretting their move... Every once in a while a player who looks to be a career journeyman comes along... and blows up into something special. Maybe we'll luck out. We are due for a little favor from karma.

I made those Favre comparisons in another thread and one or two members thought I was way off-base. Cousins doesn't have Favre's arm so the comparisons end there but if he were to become Favre Lite he'd still be the best quarterback we've had since Christian Adolph Jurgensen. We've had a lot of QBs who were good for a season or a few seasons but haven't had a consistently good one in forever.

Countertrey wrote:The body of evidence is growing. Kirk Cousins is NOT Brett Favre... but, despite his continuing learning curve... he sure as hell looks like he has a TON of "It".

I get your point, man. These fourth quarter performances say a lot to me about whether Cousins can be a starter or not.

There wasn't a doubt in my mind that Cousins would march the team downfield and score a TD in the final minutes of the Bucs game, just like I knew Hopkins wouldn't choke. They both have 'It'

Countertrey wrote:In the dark Jason Campbell days, folks may recall me talking about "It".

It's an intangible that winning quarterbacks often possess, that allows them to put the team on their backs in the 4th quarter, and get it done. Jason had a cannon arm... but never displayed an ounce of "It". It is why he was never going to be a real NFL quality quarterback. It's why he turned into a marginal journeyman for the bulk of his career.

But... 2 end of the game, come from behind victories... and one that would have been so, had the coaching staff not made the inexplicable decision to go for 2 with a ton of time on the clock.

The body of evidence is growing. Kirk Cousins is NOT Brett Favre... but, despite his continuing learning curve... he sure as hell looks like he has a TON of "It".

#YOULIKETHAT!!!

Yes, Kirk... Yes I do.

me too - be great if this kid can get it all turned around and show that he's not a turnover machine like he has been

Kirk Cousins is certainly NOT another Brett Favre, not even close, he's a completely different 'type' but if he can get the confidence to overcome the pressure he must be under to not turn the ball over, we could certainly use a QB that is driven to find a way to win each game

I don't think that Jay Gruden is going to lift his game enough but it would be great if we could find ourselves a good starting QB

Don't get me back to the Jason Campbell days. I recall those nightmarish times when RayNAustin and I were on here posting how horrendous he was as a QB against the entire pro-JC forum.

Where is Ray these days? I miss his posts. One of the most insightful guys on the board.

But Cousins isn't close to Favre. He had a great game against TAMPA, but he needs to show consistency. That said, I expect him to have a very tough outing against NE and the Cousin-trolls will be back in full force, but regardless I am just looking for him to play with less mistakes. Hopefully we can see that.

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:Kirk Cousins may not be Brett Favre but there are some notable similarities. He believes he is in every game until the final snap. He never looks defeated until the game clock strikes zero and it is a defeat. He never gives up on a teammate who misses on a play (See Roberts, Andre). He never blames anyone else for his mistakes. Really, the only thing to dislike about Cousins is his inconsistency. "It" is a will to win to such extent that he puts the team on his back and says "We're going to do this together." We. Not Me. Look at how the defense changed its attitude completely after he scored.

I get the overall point but you can't be serious? The big question about Kirk was whether or not he'd hang his head this year following mistakes, just like he did last year in the Giants game, Cardinals game and Titans game. He's looked much better this year and his performances against Tampa, the Falcons and the Eagles are real reasons for some excitement and his performance against the Giants was again cause for concern. I want to see him do this on a weekly basis and i sure hope he can. But to say he never hangs his head is a stretch, it's been one of his biggest weaknesses.

oneman56 wrote:I get the overall point but you can't be serious? The big question about Kirk was whether or not he'd hang his head this year following mistakes, just like he did last year in the Giants game, Cardinals game and Titans game. He's looked much better this year and his performances against Tampa, the Falcons and the Eagles are real reasons for some excitement and his performance against the Giants was again cause for concern. I want to see him do this on a weekly basis and i sure hope he can. But to say he never hangs his head is a stretch, it's been one of his biggest weaknesses.

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:Kirk Cousins may not be Brett Favre but there are some notable similarities. He believes he is in every game until the final snap. He never looks defeated until the game clock strikes zero and it is a defeat. He never gives up on a teammate who misses on a play (See Roberts, Andre). He never blames anyone else for his mistakes. Really, the only thing to dislike about Cousins is his inconsistency. "It" is a will to win to such extent that he puts the team on his back and says "We're going to do this together." We. Not Me. Look at how the defense changed its attitude completely after he scored.

I don't dislike Cousins because he's not consistent - he just needs to stop turning the ball over consistently

I like Cousins - I just think that he's not cut out to be a good starting QB - now if he can become a little like Favre who had turnover issues but found a way to make fans see how great a competitor he was and how he made the players around him better, then that would be fantastic - I just don't think he's got that type of DNA - we'll see in the next few games