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Third down conversions—The Redskins have converted 44.4 percent of their third downs, compared to a pathetic 31.5 percent last year. Their rushing game has helped but even against the Giants, when they struggled to run, they converted at a 40 percent clip (6/15).

Opponent passer rating—Last year even average quarterbacks played like Ben Roethlisberger against the Redskins as they had a 108.3 passer rating against them. This year they guys they play against are more like Derek Carr. A 96.3 rating isn’t quite where they want it to be but it is a significant improvement.

Points allowed per game—After giving up 27.4 points per game last year, nearly a touchdown per quarter, they are down to 19.7. Their current average ranks eighth in the NFL.

Sack percentage (offense)—Kirk Cousins has plenty of flaws and the offensive line still has to gel but between them they are doing a much better job at avoiding sacks. Last year the Redskins were sacked on 9.6 percent of their pass drop backs. This year the rate is 3.6 percent. That has undoubtedly helped them with their third down conversions (see above) since they don’t have as far to go.

Red zone scoring—The Redskins have scored a touchdown on 66.7 percent of their red zone possessions. Last year they punched it in for six from inside the 20 just 47.9 percent of time.

SkinsJock wrote:It's simple - we're rebuilding this franchise and it's going to take time
no matter what they 'refine' or who is playing QB, the franchise is a 6 to 8 win deal - if that

this QB needs to have a max of 30 passes per game and they all need to be short timing passes - he cannot pass long and he cannot be a passing QB - that part of his game stinks - run the ball and hope we can win 6 to 8 games - add the players and a new HC next off season

HAIL

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:It's simple - we're rebuilding this franchise and it's going to take time
no matter what they 'refine' or who is playing QB, the franchise is a 6 to 8 win deal - if that

this QB needs to have a max of 30 passes per game and they all need to be short timing passes - he cannot pass long and he cannot be a passing QB - that part of his game stinks - run the ball and hope we can win 6 to 8 games - add the players and a new HC next off season

HAIL

One slight problem: There isn't a quarterback worth a damn in the upcoming draft.

SkinsJock wrote:

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:It's simple - we're rebuilding this franchise and it's going to take time
no matter what they 'refine' or who is playing QB, the franchise is a 6 to 8 win deal - if that

this QB needs to have a max of 30 passes per game and they all need to be short timing passes - he cannot pass long and he cannot be a passing QB - that part of his game stinks - run the ball and hope we can win 6 to 8 games - add the players and a new HC next off season

HAIL

One slight problem: There isn't a quarterback worth a damn in the upcoming draft.

that is not that big a deal - we are not just a good QB away from being a good team

and who knows what can happen - Brady was not considered very good either

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:It's simple - we're rebuilding this franchise and it's going to take time
no matter what they 'refine' or who is playing QB, the franchise is a 6 to 8 win deal - if that

this QB needs to have a max of 30 passes per game and they all need to be short timing passes - he cannot pass long and he cannot be a passing QB - that part of his game stinks - run the ball and hope we can win 6 to 8 games - add the players and a new HC next off season

HAIL

One slight problem: There isn't a quarterback worth a damn in the upcoming draft.

DEHog wrote:I can’t remember who said it but I remember them saying that if the Redskins whiffed on the RG3 pick, it would set the franchise back for the rest of this decade. Well here we are in 2015 with no foreseeable worthwhile option at QB position. I still want to see this Cousins deal play out; I wish Gruden would just take the reins off of him and let him throw it. I feel like Gruden is trying to “manage” every throw. Cousins is at his best when he slinging it. I think that’s why we saw some of the throws we saw last week; we’ve all seen Kirk make those throws before. Gruden need to coach him up on the INT’s and let him go…

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:

DEHog wrote:I can’t remember who said it but I remember them saying that if the Redskins whiffed on the RG3 pick, it would set the franchise back for the rest of this decade. Well here we are in 2015 with no foreseeable worthwhile option at QB position. I still want to see this Cousins deal play out; I wish Gruden would just take the reins off of him and let him throw it. I feel like Gruden is trying to “manage” every throw. Cousins is at his best when he slinging it. I think that’s why we saw some of the throws we saw last week; we’ve all seen Kirk make those throws before. Gruden need to coach him up on the INT’s and let him go…

I agree with this. Let Cousins go all Brett Favre and see if he has any value beyond this season. Favre threw one hell of a lot of interceptions if memory serves but he also made one hell of a lot of plays. I'm not suggesting Cousins is Favre. For one thing he lacks the arm strength. But at this point there's absolutely nothing to lose by allowing him to try to make plays.

SkinsJock wrote:This season is about evaluating who fits the plan going forward and I'm not sure that this QB or this HC are a part of that

I'd like to see these guys be a lot more balanced on offense and we don't need to see Cousins turning the ball over, he needs to be a game manager - having Cousins passing 40 or more times a game is not going to help - at this time the Redskins are #2 in total defense, the giants are #31 - throwing the ball almost 50 times is not the way that this offense will work with this QB - we saw that against the giants

KILO wrote:Actually there is. Check out Jared Goff from Cal.

SkinsJock wrote:
that is not that big a deal - we are not just a good QB away from being a good team

and who knows what can happen - Brady was not considered very good either

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:

KILO wrote:Actually there is. Check out Jared Goff from Cal.

Not impressed. Makes too many fundamental mistakes at the collegiate level. Forces timing route passes into coverage. Misses open receivers. Throws off back foot. Throws to wrong shoulder. Happy feet in pocket.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPZzyzqcNIE

EA7649 wrote:csnwashington had top 10 qb prospects I'll look into it. http://www.csnmidatlantic.com/media_gal ... -nfl-draft

SkinsJock wrote:I'd like to see these guys be a lot more balanced on offense and we don't need to see Cousins turning the ball over, he needs to be a game manager - having Cousins passing 40 or more times a game is not going to help -

riggofan wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:I'd like to see these guys be a lot more balanced on offense and we don't need to see Cousins turning the ball over, he needs to be a game manager - having Cousins passing 40 or more times a game is not going to help -

Not to pick on what SJ is saying (I agree completely with his comment about the number of throws), but this overall "Cousins throws too many picks" stuff is just lazy commentary and not very insightful.

Cousins has thrown 4 picks in 107 attempts this season. Andrew Luck by comparison has thrown 7 picks in 116 attempts. Nobody is out there saying Andrew Luck can't play QB in this league. Not comparing Cousins with Luck - there's no question about Luck's skills. I'm just saying this focus only on INTs isn't especially helpful to answering the question of whether or not Cousins is capable of playing QB.

My take so far is that he's got to do much better in broken play situations. That's clearly where most of his INTs come from. He doesn't seem to improvise very well (unlike RGIII I would admit). Maybe be willing to scramble more or throw the ball away. You would think that's fixable/coachable, but maybe not?

Anyway, I tuned the team out the past few days because the loss v. the Giants was really disappointing. Not unexpected, but still a bummer. The game this Sunday is huge for Cousins. Can he bounce back from a bad game? Or is he going to get progressively worse? Its going to be interesting to see how that game goes.

riggofan wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:I'd like to see these guys be a lot more balanced on offense and we don't need to see Cousins turning the ball over, he needs to be a game manager - having Cousins passing 40 or more times a game is not going to help -

Not to pick on what SJ is saying (I agree completely with his comment about the number of throws), but this overall "Cousins throws too many picks" stuff is just lazy commentary and not very insightful.

Cousins has thrown 4 picks in 107 attempts this season. Andrew Luck by comparison has thrown 7 picks in 116 attempts. Nobody is out there saying Andrew Luck can't play QB in this league. Not comparing Cousins with Luck - there's no question about Luck's skills. I'm just saying this focus only on INTs isn't especially helpful to answering the question of whether or not Cousins is capable of playing QB.

My take so far is that he's got to do much better in broken play situations. That's clearly where most of his INTs come from. He doesn't seem to improvise very well (unlike RGIII I would admit). Maybe be willing to scramble more or throw the ball away. You would think that's fixable/coachable, but maybe not?

Anyway, I tuned the team out the past few days because the loss v. the Giants was really disappointing. Not unexpected, but still a bummer. The game this Sunday is huge for Cousins. Can he bounce back from a bad game? Or is he going to get progressively worse? Its going to be interesting to see how that game goes.