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It was mentioned in the broadcast that RGIII may be promoted to 2nd string. It was said at the beginning of the game -- before the game/disaster.

It will be interesting to see, after a horrendous Cousins outing, whether Gruden actually goes thru with it --- since if he did, it would rile up "team RGIII" fans giving them hope of his glorious comeback and potentially messing with Cousins' mental game (which is already super weak).

Personally, if I were the HC and all in on Cousins (as Gruden is and says he is), I would NOT promote RGIII this week only because I think it would mess with Cousins mentally (although I thought RGIII should have been #2 all along --- so if I were the HC, this would never even have been on the table....) ---- UNLESS he really thinks that RGIII can contribute at a higher level than McCoy if Cousins got hurt. If he does, I'd have a serious and respectful sit down/heart to heart with all 3 so that everyone is on the same page. I'd make sure that RGIII understood the only way he'd play is if we were up by 30+ with less than 5 to go or Cousins went down. I'd also tell McCoy that this will be a week-to-week decision and could very well change in week 5. Now if Cousins had played well against NYG (which he completed didn't), I think a promotion would be less of an issue.

That being said, if he does promote him, IMHO, it means either:
1. He is not confident in Cousins and is trying to get him worried to work harder/see how he reacts to the pressure;
2. Has seen something in RGIII and is trying to motivate him;
ooooorrrrrrrrr
3. Danny boy is at it again.......

I honestly hope Danny boy is it in again. Only to get Jay to stop thinking Kirk as great and that he doesn't criticize him like he did with Robert. Then the rest can take its place however it is.

How does anyone think that RG should be moved to #2. The best QB on the roster is currently #2, and we would be 3-0 if anyone had their head on straight.

Colt and Robert are better than Kirk. We've seen it for 3 years

oh the boo birds are out. Let's stay the course until the bye week. Then perhaps make a change.

We are 1-2 going into week 4. There should be no QB carousel again, barring a total meltdown from Cousins. He needs to start all year.

He's help us win as the 3rd stringer, imagine how much he could help us as the 2nd stringer

StorminMormon86 wrote:We are 1-2 going into week 4. There should be no QB carousel again, barring a total meltdown from Cousins. He needs to start all year.

Good thing is if he plays like he did in Week 1 and 3, we will end up with a nice high draft pick we can use on a new QB!

RG3 is better than either of them. RG3 has struggled with the transition, but who are we kidding? We give this stiff Cousins a much better team than RG3 ever had and he sucks. Do you remember the team in 2012- the one that went to the playoffs? That team sucked and RG3 got us there.

The reason RG3 is playing poorly is because we have egomaniac coaches who undermine him. Gruden was sent in to coach up RG3 and this Arena League stiff drops him in 4 starts. That's crazy. In favor of Cousins and McCoy? Even crazier. The true reason RG3 is superior? Gruden doesn't like him. Gruden only like stiff QBs that cant get it done. Gruden is in over his head and we as fans have to accept his word as gospel? He doesn't pass the eyeball test. His treatment of RG3 doesn't pass the eyeball test. His teams are unprepared and sloppy-which is exactly what you would expect fat Gruden to be.

RG3 is the best QB on the roster. Why Gruden is so against a former Pro Bowler in lieu of Cousins and McCoy? Nuts. Oh...lets replace our young Pro Bowl RB with a rookie as well.

Gruden MUST be fired. He doesn't have it. RG3 may suck forever, but he is way better than Cousins and McCoy and only a fat Arena League coach whos teams look like idiots cant believe it.

Fun stat of the day: Kirk Grossman has thrown as many INTs in his career as Griffin... With HALF as many attempts!!! Lmmfao this guy is garbage

A couple of things I noticed (and haven't seen much of Cousins...Redskins don't make NY TV often )

- Cousins underthrew a couple of passes that would have pushed toward TD's. At least one -- a pass to Reed -- was in the end-zone and Reed was a step or two behind the defender. Not a strong enough arm?

- The interceptions were ugly and harmful

- Several times Cousins had his head down after plays failed. My all-time favorite QB would just pull his pants over his beer-gut and snap the next pass to Larry Brown or Charley Taylor or Jerry Smith. Cousins' down-inp-the-dumps expression seemed worse that the interceptions and the weakly thrown passes.

If Aunt Dana had a penis she'd be Uncle Dan. These people are paid to talk and to find things to talk about, including but not limited to things they simply make up out of thin air. There's absolutely nothing based in tangible substantive proof to support any notion that an inactive RGIII would be "promoted" to anything other than inactive status yet again next week.

^^^ ACTUALLY the proof is in the pudding. With captain Kirk Grossman looking as inept as EVER, THROWING AS MANY INTs in his career as Rob with LESS THEN HALF THE ATTEMPTS, missing WIDE OPEN targets, having a noodle for an arm, and looking utterly defeated after the first drive- a move isn't just possible, but plausible!

Robert was benched for not being able to read the D? Well if throwing to covered receivers or open LBs is the alternative, I'd rather Rob learn on the fly. This play isn't just below mediocre, its seriously flawed. This current qb has no back bone, and was pouty sheli faced after the fkn coin toss! I'm done with the Rex Cousins experiment.

Robert gave us a championship, and even beat Philly last year killing their playoff hopes. He progressed all camp, then was left to the wolves with WILLIE FKN SMITH "protecting" his blind side in preseason.... Gruden must hate him some RG3 to pull that shizz and go with such a milk dud instead.

Cousins isn't even a viable backup. This guy is TRASH.

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:^^^ ACTUALLY the proof is in the pudding. With captain Kirk Grossman looking as inept as EVER, THROWING AS MANY INTs in his career as Rob with LESS THEN HALF THE ATTEMPTS, missing WIDE OPEN targets, having a noodle for an arm, and looking utterly defeated after the first drive- a move isn't just possible, but plausible!

No, it isn't. They are not risking having to pay RGIII $16M next season. Period. End of story.

This might be misplaced, but doesn't deserve a whole thread... I live in puke/donkey country, and this loss was a disgrace. After churching up our D and Run game, I have to answer all these talking heads like I'm the GM... I want to punch Gruden in his fat mouth for this sham. Cousins is craps. Play Robert until his mother fn legs fall off!!!

Being a skins fan stopped sucking the one year Robert was the starter all year... Let's figure out how to make it work eh?

Cousins?!

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:^^^ ACTUALLY the proof is in the pudding. With captain Kirk Grossman looking as inept as EVER, THROWING AS MANY INTs in his career as Rob with LESS THEN HALF THE ATTEMPTS, missing WIDE OPEN targets, having a noodle for an arm, and looking utterly defeated after the first drive- a move isn't just possible, but plausible!

No, it isn't. They are not risking having to pay RGIII $16M next season. Period. End of story.

Oh ya? Is that so? Well I'll bet you money that if Rex Cousins continues his devious ways we DO. F Gruden... Guy is inept and staring into the fog half the time. 16 mil is chump change compared to the pain tolerance it takes to be a skins fan brah! F THIS

why are we worrying about $16M - it's chump change when the franchise is at $2.85B & growing - Griffin might not be our QB of the future - Kissing Cousins certainly is not - I could care less who plays QB here & I'm not at all worried about the cost - I just want better play from the QB

SkinsJock wrote:why are we worrying about $16M - it's chump change when the franchise is at $2.85B & growing - Griffin might not be our QB of the future - Kissing Cousins certainly is not - I could care less who plays QB here & I'm not at all worried about the cost - I just want better play from the QB

Because no competent general manager is going to pay one red cent to a player who can't do the job, which defines RGIII. He can't read NFL defenses. He can't read NFL progressions. Those are the two most basic skill requirements of an NFL quarterback. A better option than Kirk isn't saying much, now is it? That's why they have to give Kirk more than a few games, you know, like they gave RGIII. The odds are very high that we don't have a quarterback on this roster and will have to go find one in the draft. I hope Scot is good at that because the last several GMs haven't been worth a damn at it.

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:why are we worrying about $16M - it's chump change when the franchise is at $2.85B & growing - Griffin might not be our QB of the future - Kissing Cousins certainly is not - I could care less who plays QB here & I'm not at all worried about the cost - I just want better play from the QB

Because no competent general manager is going to pay one red cent to a player who can't do the job, which defines RGIII. He can't read NFL defenses. He can't read NFL progressions. Those are the two most basic skill requirements of an NFL quarterback. A better option than Kirk isn't saying much, now is it? That's why they have to give Kirk more than a few games, you know, like they gave RGIII. The odds are very high that we don't have a quarterback on this roster and will have to go find one in the draft. I hope Scot is good at that because the last several GMs haven't been worth a damn at it.

So far, Cousins looks like a decent backup QB. Better than Danny Wuerffel, but that doesn't say much. Maybe Cousins can learn not to throw risky passes. Maybe he can learn to lead a receiver who is getting open. Maybe.

I don't know how he cures a tendency to hang his head when the game gets critical. That worries me the most.

(Griffin's money? Nothing compared to what Snyder makes from the team or what Snyder has made just from marketing Griffin.)

welch wrote:

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:why are we worrying about $16M - it's chump change when the franchise is at $2.85B & growing - Griffin might not be our QB of the future - Kissing Cousins certainly is not - I could care less who plays QB here & I'm not at all worried about the cost - I just want better play from the QB

Because no competent general manager is going to pay one red cent to a player who can't do the job, which defines RGIII. He can't read NFL defenses. He can't read NFL progressions. Those are the two most basic skill requirements of an NFL quarterback. A better option than Kirk isn't saying much, now is it? That's why they have to give Kirk more than a few games, you know, like they gave RGIII. The odds are very high that we don't have a quarterback on this roster and will have to go find one in the draft. I hope Scot is good at that because the last several GMs haven't been worth a damn at it.

So far, Cousins looks like a decent backup QB. Better than Danny Wuerffel, but that doesn't say much. Maybe Cousins can learn not to throw risky passes. Maybe he can learn to lead a receiver who is getting open. Maybe.

I don't know how he cures a tendency to hang his head when the game gets critical. That worries me the most.

(Griffin's money? Nothing compared to what Snyder makes from the team or what Snyder has made just from marketing Griffin.)

I absolutely agree with your assessment of Cousins but some here seem to think that should justify paying RGIII, who has proven himself no better as a quarterback, even if he is a better athlete.

I'm all for Cousins playing QB for as many games as it takes for the Cousins lovers to realize that dog don't hunt

Cousins is not a starting QB

SkinsJock wrote:I'm all for Cousins playing QB for as many games as it takes for the Cousins lovers to realize that dog don't hunt

Cousins is not a starting QB

Didn't that already happen?

Kirk Grossman has as man INTS as Griffin LESS THEN HALF THE PASS ATTEMPTS. And he is NOT improving.

Word from camp was gruff was sharp and improved in the pocket- not jus beat writers but from the Texans dbs who came to town for the joint practices..

Now we jump off that ship due to a preseason game in which WILLIE SMITH was the olines anchor on his blind side?!? I don't buy that. He hit Garçon DEEP and Kirks noodle for an arm is enough reason for me to play him.


What makes ANYONE think Kirk CAN "read" a D? Like when he hits the wide open MLB?? OR when he misses Reed running free multiple times a game?

Done.

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:Kirk Grossman has as man INTS as Griffin LESS THEN HALF THE PASS ATTEMPTS. And he is NOT improving.

Word from camp was gruff was sharp and improved in the pocket- not jus beat writers but from the Texans dbs who came to town for the joint practices..

Now we jump off that ship due to a preseason game in which WILLIE SMITH was the olines anchor on his blind side?!? I don't buy that. He hit Garçon DEEP and Kirks noodle for an arm is enough reason for me to play him.


What makes ANYONE think Kirk CAN "read" a D? Like when he hits the wide open MLB?? OR when he misses Reed running free multiple times a game?

Done.

Fans can whine as much as they like but it's not going to change anything. I've determined Jay Gruden knows he might get fired so he's banking on his favorite qb to give him a chance to keep his job. When Jay gets fired (Oh I'll make Robert a great qb he had it out for him) we can sh$t on his porch.
And its so annoying to see fans praise Kirk I know at least one person here who does. I just hope next draft there is a good fitting qb available at a reasonable spot.

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:What makes ANYONE think Kirk CAN "read" a D? Like when he hits the wide open MLB?? OR when he misses Reed running free multiple times a game?

Done.

Most of Cousins passes are timing routes. Most of his passes are coming on three step drops. And most of those passes are resulting in completions. Therefore, the team is converting more 3rd down plays and scoring more in the red zone than it did with RGIII. The quarterback is also getting sacked a lot less frequently. You can complain about what Kirk does wrong from now until he's no longer here but what he does well he does better than RGIII and the statistics support that.