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After watching week 1 of this years NFL games. I was amazed at how well the read option Qbs did.

How can anyone not be impressed with how Marcus Marriota performed in his first game ever! Tennesses coaching staff was smart enough to utilize the talent they invested so heavily in. They have a clear picture of what they want to do. The titans went out and hired a coach who has a clear vision and is allowed to execute his vision for the team.
The Titans Wisenhunt was smart enough to recognize that the talent he has in Marriota and use an offense that fits Marriotas strengths. Something Gruden was to stupid to even consider.

The titans run a modified version of Chip Kellys offense. Marriota does not run as much its more pass first but still the run fake is always present. Very impressive. 4 TDS!!! In his first game!!!

San Francisco and Kapernick. They utilize the ability to run the ball. Kapernick does not try to do too much. He has a good defense to back him up as well.

Phillys offense still looked good even with Sam Bradford.

My point being the read option can work. In fact any offense can work if you have the players to execute the play.

If RG3 were ever to step on the field again with us. I would recommend using the same offense that the Titans run. A modified read option without RG3 running so much. We just need the threat to keep the defenses of balance.


WHEN I HEAR PEOPLE AND FANS ON THIS FORUM DOWN TALK MOBILE QBS I KNOW THEY KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THE HISTORY OF THIS GAME AND THE GREAT QBS OF THE PAST AND PRESENT. (Stormin and Oldschool)

Most of the greatest QBs to ever play have been mobile Qbs.

Joe Montana started his career scrambling and running for first downs. John Elway was known to use his legs to get a first down early in his career.
Fran Tarkenton. Tom Brady used his legs to get first downs early in his career. Go back and watch Bradys first season as the starter. He had to scramble many times to get a first down. It was later that he became efficient in the pocket.
Aaron Rogers can run for first downs when needed. I havent even named them all. But if you name a great QB best believe they were probably mobile. Brett Farve is another that comes to mind. Joey Theisman one of our own.

The few exceptions I can think of are Dan Marino who ultimatley never won the big one.
Peyton Manning who actually was able to scramble but has amazing footwork in the pocket.Probably the best footwork I have ever seen from a QB is Peyton hands down.


The read option is the future. It is innovation a thing of beauty to behold when executed with the right people and vision.

Gibbs was innovative when he implemented his offense. Now it is common knowledge. He won many championships because he was able to use his players and execute his vision. Outthinking his counterparts.
When Lawrence Taylor was terrorizing the league Gibbs added an Hback.


My main points I want to leave you with are these.

1. Snyder had a vision. He just chose the wrong coach to try and coach RG3 up. It would probably have been a good idea to get a Baylor offensive coach or even an Oregon offensive coach to implement a modified read option. A modified version to where Robert does not run as much.

2. Everyone needs to be on the same page and share the same vision. It was clear to me since year one that Gruden and Griffin would not work. From the GM all the way down to the ball boys. Everyone should have a clear idea of what is going on. In New England there is no confusion of what it like to be a Patriot. They all know how it goes down.

3. Any offense can work so long as you have the players and they all are on the same page.
If you took the pro bowl rosters from the AFC or NFC and put them on one team. It would not matter what offense or defense you ran. They would literally kick butt all over the field so long as they were united.

We have talent on this team. We just dont have the leadership I believe yet.

No one can argue this I guarantee. But our team took a rookie of the year QB. Got him injured in his first year and four years later he is on the bench getting ready to be traded.

You tell me what other team has done that? Every rookie of the year I can think of has gone on to higher heights.

We all know that our team has been a mess for the past twenty years. With occasional success. So how do so many of you point fingers at Robert?

All that just to say RGIII isn't the problem? He also isn't the solution, so there's that.

The Shanny's ran it and ran it quite well in 2012...why didn't they run it again in 2013...I'll wait...

DEHog wrote:The Shanny's ran it and ran it quite well in 2012...why didn't they run it again in 2013...I'll wait...

'Cause they killed the goose that laid the golden egg.

I didn't realize that when QBs "scrambled" they are actually running the read option. Learn something new every day.

Great post though man. I'm really bummed that we haven't been able to find a coach yet to realize Dan Snyder's vision. It goes without saying that he's one of the under appreciated football minds of the past twenty five years.

We should also hire a full time medical/surgical team for the QB running this offense of the future.

DEHog wrote:The Shanny's ran it and ran it quite well in 2012...why didn't they run it again in 2013...I'll wait...

lol. Wait for it.... wait for it...

Oh here comes Deadskins right on cue. Shanny's fault, of course!

DEHog wrote:The Shanny's ran it and ran it quite well in 2012...why didn't they run it again in 2013...I'll wait...

Because Shanahan knew it was a college offense, not a pro one. You're not going to fool NFL defenses twice with that gimmick crapola.

B&G forever, then why are teams still running it, and running it effectively? Seattle won a SB and should have won two running it 40% of the time.

HEROHAMO wrote:
My main points I want to leave you with are these.

1. Snyder had a vision. He just chose the wrong coach to try and coach RG3 up. It would probably have been a good idea to get a Baylor offensive coach or even an Oregon offensive coach to implement a modified read option. A modified version to where Robert does not run as much.

2. Everyone needs to be on the same page and share the same vision. It was clear to me since year one that Gruden and Griffin would not work. From the GM all the way down to the ball boys. Everyone should have a clear idea of what is going on. In New England there is no confusion of what it like to be a Patriot. They all know how it goes down.

3. Any offense can work so long as you have the players and they all are on the same page.
If you took the pro bowl rosters from the AFC or NFC and put them on one team. It would not matter what offense or defense you ran. They would literally kick butt all over the field so long as they were united.

I didn't have the time to read everything so being me, I only read your "key points". My response:

1. What vision is that?????? Danny took over in 1999 and has taken a hot steaming dump on the franchise ever since. His "vision" changes roughly every 2.4 years.... I think his "vision" is the whole "even a broken clock is right twice a day" concept. Danny is a HORRIBLE leader. I could sit here and list off all the dumb things he has done, but that would be 100 times the length of your original post. Danny needs to step aside. F#*& his "vision".

2. I totally agree in theory, but Danny has no vision and the people he hires are only there for the paycheck because anyone with decency, self-respect, or resolve won't come here. The Pats are an organization where Belhick is the judge, jury, and executioner. Danny wouldn't give that role to anyone other than himself. As Champ Bailey said in pre-game last week "I was drafted in 1999 the year Dan Synder took control of the team. When he came to address the team he said some words that made it clear it would be very difficult to work for this man". That sentiment still echos today. Again, Danny has NO VISION. NONE. He doesn't know what the F#*& he is doing.

3. Not all offenses can work. The triple option wouldn't work in today's NFL. I know I know, that is not what you are saying. That being said, offenses work when players know their roles and have PLAYED TOGETHER --- being united is important and perhaps you are saying that being united is a by product of playing together and if so --- we are on the same page. The skins haven't had a long term team. Their roster turnover is one of the highest in the league and that is because we have sucked at drafting --- because Dan, in part, has been involved in that process. So, it is more about playing together for a long period of time --- generally around 2 full seasons BEFORE they truly click. It's that 3rd season were things come together.

Also I did glance at this ---- Brady has NEVER EVER been a running QB. Neither has Montana. Elway definetely used his feet, but he wasn't a read option QB. I would put Favre in there before any of these 3 if you want to make the stretch comparisons you are trying to make.

markshark84 wrote:Also I did glance at this ---- Brady has NEVER EVER been a running QB. Neither has Montana. Elway definetely used his feet, but he wasn't a read option QB. I would put Favre in there before any of these 3 if you want to make the stretch comparisons you are trying to make.

Wrong, man. They were totally running the read option. Cutting edge stuff. They were even out in front of visionary Dan Snyder on that one, if you can believe it.

riggofan wrote:

DEHog wrote:The Shanny's ran it and ran it quite well in 2012...why didn't they run it again in 2013...I'll wait...

lol. Wait for it.... wait for it...

Oh here comes Deadskins right on cue. Shanny's fault, of course!

Oh, so Shanny pulled Bob from the Seattle game after he tweaked his knee in the 1st quarter? Then you're right, Bob was exactly the same in 2013, it was the system that no longer worked.

Deadskins wrote:

riggofan wrote:

DEHog wrote:The Shanny's ran it and ran it quite well in 2012...why didn't they run it again in 2013...I'll wait...

lol. Wait for it.... wait for it...

Oh here comes Deadskins right on cue. Shanny's fault, of course!

Oh, so Shanny pulled Bob from the Seattle game after he tweaked his knee in the 1st quarter? Then you're right, Bob was exactly the same in 2013, it was the system that no longer worked.

Yea what was the problem...Bob was "ALL IN" for 2013!!

Griffin does not want to run the offense of 2012 anymore. Let. It. Go.

Deadskins wrote:Oh, so Shanny pulled Bob from the Seattle game after he tweaked his knee in the 1st quarter? Then you're right, Bob was exactly the same in 2013, it was the system that no longer worked.

I just don't get the point of it, DS. There's no arguing whether or not Griffin tore his ACL. (No arguing whether or not he got knocked out of the Ravens game earlier that season for that matter.) And I don't know whether it was Shanny's fault, Griffin's fault or Dr. Andrews' fault.

If you're saying Shanahan "killed the goose", why are people still on here saying that Griffin needs to be running the read option again? I've seen no evidence since 2012 that he can run it anymore, will run it anymore or can stay healthy running that type of offense.

I'm glad some fans still have hope and optimism, but this just seems like wishful thinking.

PAPDOG67 wrote:B&G forever, then why are teams still running it, and running it effectively? Seattle won a SB and should have won two running it 40% of the time.

It was more like 20 percent and a lot of the read option plays are outside zones in disguise. Add to that...most of the read option plays are pre-determined gives. Here's the biggest issue IMO with Robert running this offense, he has no sense of how to protect himself, I mean none at all. He has taken some of the most awkward, cage rattling hits I've ever seen a QB take. You wouldn't see Wilson running any of this if he wasn't so go at protecting himself.

StorminMormon86 wrote:Griffin does not want to run the offense of 2012 anymore. Let. It. Go.

Read Option Robert Griffin is the Unicorned Pegasus of the 2015 Washington Redskins.

Let's cut Griffin so he can be the backup on a team that wants to run the RO.

DEHog wrote:It was more like 20 percent and a lot of the read option plays are outside zones in disguise. Add to that...most of the read option plays are pre-determined gives. Here's the biggest issue IMO with Robert running this offense, he has no sense of how to protect himself, I mean none at all. He has taken some of the most awkward, cage rattling hits I've ever seen a QB take. You wouldn't see Wilson running any of this if he wasn't so go at protecting himself.

This is on point.

The point was, that if Shanny pulls RGIII from the Seattle game before he totally blows the knee, there is no need for the "All in" campaign. No need to scrap the offense in hopes of keeping him home in the pocket. Bob suffers no loss of confidence, and 2013 is another record year, or that is the assumption.

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:

DEHog wrote:It was more like 20 percent and a lot of the read option plays are outside zones in disguise. Add to that...most of the read option plays are pre-determined gives. Here's the biggest issue IMO with Robert running this offense, he has no sense of how to protect himself, I mean none at all. He has taken some of the most awkward, cage rattling hits I've ever seen a QB take. You wouldn't see Wilson running any of this if he wasn't so go at protecting himself.

This is on point.

Yes, agreed.

Deadskins wrote:The point was, that if Shanny pulls RGIII from the Seattle game before he totally blows the knee, there is no need for the "All in" campaign. No need to scrap the offense in hopes of keeping him home in the pocket. Bob suffers no loss of confidence, and 2013 is another record year, or that is the assumption.

And you don't think any of that had to do with a QB who was empowered by the owner??

Deadskins wrote:The point was, that if Shanny pulls RGIII from the Seattle game before he totally blows the knee, there is no need for the "All in" campaign. No need to scrap the offense in hopes of keeping him home in the pocket. Bob suffers no loss of confidence, and 2013 is another record year, or that is the assumption.

And therefore we should fire up the read option offense for him again?

I guess when I asked "what's the point?" I meant: what does any of this have to do with now and reality. Griffin is what he is. We're proposing to fire the coach, scrap the current offense and go back to the read option in the hope that Griffin gets his mojo back AND finally stays healthy for a full 17 games?

I'm pretty sure if this was remotely a viable option, Shanahan wouldn't have forced his way out of here in 2013. We would have had trade offers for Griffin. This is fantasy land stuff.

This is lunacy. The quarterbacks who have won the most games over the last decade are: Brady, Manning, Roethlisberger, Flacco, Rivers, Romo, Brees, the other Manning, and Hasselbeck. Not one of these players is looking to run with the football. Every one of these players can read a defense and go through a basic progression. Drafting an athlete with no quarterback skill was a damn stupid thing to do and no amount of coaching up is going to turn an athlete into a quarterback. I don't care if he's the nicest guy on the planet and loves Jesus more than Tim Tebow, he's not an NFL quarterback and it has nothing to do with the scheme. The only schemes he can run are sandlot schemes. He can't make an accurate throw from the pocket. I don't care the reasoning or the excuses behind it. If a player can't make an accurate throw from the pocket he's not a quarterback. We can beat the "fault drum" from now until hell freezes over. It doesn't matter whose fault it is. A lot of people need to move on.

Even if they did bring back the RO here, RG would be beat out of the starting job.