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It's a long article and a painful reminder of exactly how bad things have been under Dan Snyder but the conclusion the author draws is:

"the desire to see Dan Snyder lose is stronger than their desire to see their favorite football team win." It is accompanied by photos of the lower bowl from the game last Sunday showing more teal than burgundy.

Simple question: Do you think there's any truth to the statement? Do fans want Snyder gone more than they want a good football team? It seems to me if the team was winning playoff games we wouldn't care how much of a douchebag the owner is. If we'd been successful on any level would this even be a deadspin article? I know Danny makes himself an easy target for clickbait and yellow journalism. He even gets labeled the "worst owner in sports" occasionally. But getting down to brass tacks, don't we really just want a winning team?

http://deadspin.com/nobody-hates-the-sk ... socialflow

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:But getting down to brass tacks, don't we really just want a winning team?

I think we can all agree on that.

IMHO - You have to keep in mind that this is someone who makes a living writing about sports. He has to write something inflammatory. I do believe there is some truth to what he has to say. Yes I think that there are "fans" that stay away because of Dan Snyder and the name. However, I think that the bulk of the fans that have left have done so because of the quality of the team. It is, at best, bad. I agree that Snyder interferes to much with the mega signings like Haynesworth. I also think he is really trying to make this team competitive but does not know how, but thinks he does. His bad choices have not all been about the players. There were numerous "executives" who sold him a bag of goods about how great and knowledgeable they were about football operations. They were not. They are equally responsible for the decline and fall of the Redskins as much if not more that Dan Snyder. He is a marketing person who cannot separate the sales pitch from reality. Go back and look at the history of the Redskins. There have only been two times the team has been competitive, in the George Allen and Joe Gibbs I eras. Other than those times the team has been bad to mediocre. Whoever changes the Redskins has to change the team culture first. Do I care about the name? No not really. Change it or don't, it makes no difference. This is still my team of choice and I will always be a fan.

aswas71788 wrote:IMHO - You have to keep in mind that this is someone who makes a living writing about sports. He has to write something inflammatory. I do believe there is some truth to what he has to say. Yes I think that there are "fans" that stay away because of Dan Snyder and the name. However, I think that the bulk of the fans that have left have done so because of the quality of the team. It is, at best, bad. I agree that Snyder interferes to much with the mega signings like Haynesworth. I also think he is really trying to make this team competitive but does not know how, but thinks he does. His bad choices have not all been about the players. There were numerous "executives" who sold him a bag of goods about how great and knowledgeable they were about football operations. They were not. They are equally responsible for the decline and fall of the Redskins as much if not more that Dan Snyder. He is a marketing person who cannot separate the sales pitch from reality. Go back and look at the history of the Redskins. There have only been two times the team has been competitive, in the George Allen and Joe Gibbs I eras. Other than those times the team has been bad to mediocre. Whoever changes the Redskins has to change the team culture first. Do I care about the name? No not really. Change it or don't, it makes no difference. This is still my team of choice and I will always be a fan.

We were world beaters between 1936 and 1945. I kind of figured he's just bloviating but I've been out of the D.C. area for twenty-five years so I don't run into many Skins fans except online. That's why I asked here.

You are correct. I was only thinking of my time as a Redskins fan. From 1945 to present.

We want Daniel Snyder GONE more than anything else BECAUSE his interference, ignorance, protagonism, prejudices, greed, incompetence and ego make it impossible to build a good football team and unthinkable to maintain a consistent culture of excellence. Daniel Snyder suffers from an obsessive (player/coach/staff selection) - compulsive (changes/firings/hirings) disorder (OCD) and until he acknowledges it and acts to help himself professionally, nothing will change around here.

http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/topics/o ... ndex.shtml

https://bbrfoundation.org/ocd?gclid=CO- ... HwodioYFIA

http://www.anxietybc.com/parenting/obse ... e-disorder

Daniel Snyder is a visionary. A VISIONARY I TELL YOU.

riggofan wrote:Daniel Snyder is a visionary. A VISIONARY I TELL YOU.

Yes, he sees dollar signs where there are none.

Redskin in Canada wrote:We want Daniel Snyder GONE more than anything else BECAUSE his interference, ignorance, protagonism, prejudices, greed, incompetence and ego make it impossible to build a good football team and unthinkable to maintain a consistent culture of excellence. Daniel Snyder suffers from an obsessive (player/coach/staff selection) - compulsive (changes/firings/hirings) disorder (OCD) and until he acknowledges it and acts to help himself professionally, nothing will change around here.

http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/topics/o ... ndex.shtml

https://bbrfoundation.org/ocd?gclid=CO- ... HwodioYFIA

http://www.anxietybc.com/parenting/obse ... e-disorder

amen!

It is tough to hope much less believe Dan Snyder will ever stay out of things but he let Jay bench Griffin finally and SM made SM type picks not Snyder. We'll have to see how long he lets JG and SM run things.

Hopefully we all see some progress and Snyder lets the football guys run things.

Dan Snyder bought this franchise in 1999 for $800M - Forbes rates the current wealth at $2,850,000,000.00 ... and growing ....

and this for a franchise that is currently rated one of the lowest 5 in the NFL

please explain to me why he should feel a need to sell the franchise or to do anything different

maybe, someone is going to offer him $3,000,000,000.00 but I really doubt it .. and that is the minimum he would take

The community is stuck with him for probably another 30 years. It is hard to imagine him learning his lesson and letting football people run things but he better because the generation that enjoyed all the success is fading and their kids just remember loosing and frustration so he better sit back and SM and JG run things.

riggofan wrote:Daniel Snyder is a visionary. A VISIONARY I TELL YOU.

Never mistake hallucination for vision.

yupchagee wrote:

riggofan wrote:Daniel Snyder is a visionary. A VISIONARY I TELL YOU.

Never mistake hallucination for vision.