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And so it begins.......More sorry predictions.
I hate all the wanna be experts and their prognostications.

All I know is the Skins are getting BETTER --- Hope Springs Eternal..!!!

5. Washington and the 49ers will battle for first draft pick

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There's little question Washington will stink out loud. It's just a question of how bad it'll be. First-pick bad? Probably, but there will be some competition from the 49ers.

One of the big surprises this season will be just how bad the 49ers are. They will take a significant step back. It will be a temporary one, I think. This will not be a slide that lasts a decade. But it will be a slide.

As much of a pain in the ass as Jim Harbaugh could be—and he was a major one—his ability to coach is as good as almost anyone in the sport. Practically Belichickian. He had his faults. He never fully developed Colin Kaepernick. He burned out people around him. But he will be hard to replace.

This season, you will see just how much he meant to that franchise. Count on two or three wins, at most.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2562 ... redictions

Be kind of neat to have a top 5 pick in the next draft but I really don't see it ... hopefully we'll see some improvement

the biggest thing for this season will be Dan and Bruce letting Scot continue on here and clearly showing he has full authority as GM - Scot will need this in order to bring in the coaches and players he needs

Guess we'll find out soon enough. I feel like the roster is better than it was last year, but not sure how much better. Just looking at the schedule to start the season its not hard to believe we could start out 0-4.

The teams who picked first this year were both 2-14. That would be a giant fail. Are we really expecting to be a 2-14 team this year?

I'm curious though. Why is there "little question Washington will stink out loud"? I sort of understand why there is doubt about SF. They lost Harbaugh. They lost a bunch of key players in the offseason. Why are we more likely to be worse than we were last year? Is it obvious we're going to suck because we don't have good players? Or is it because of all the circus stuff with RG3 and Mrs. McCloughan on twitter, etc;?

Honestly I have no idea what to expect from the team this year. I'd love to see them feed the Bleacher Report a healthy dose of STFU.

Can you blame them? When you look at teams on a divisonal basis and take (on paper) the worst single team(s) in each divison (i.e., IMHO --- NYJ, CLE, JACK/TN, OAK, WAS, CHI, TB, and STL) and then compare those team against the higher ranked divisional foes ---- the teams that appear to have the hardest time in-division are WAS, CLE, and OAK. The remaining teams have a close worst-team counterpart: NYJ-BUF, JACK-TN, MIN-CHI, TB-ATL-NO-CAR (who knows what will happen in that division), and STL-SF.

If you look at it that way, it will come down to us, CLE, and OAK. Now, of these 3, many would say OAK has the best chance of improvement, but they are also in the most difficult division of the 3, IMHO. On top of that, we are CURRENTLY favored in only ONE game this season (I wish I had the link to the article, it showed win % by likelihood of victory and the only one about 50% was TB at 57%; but I can't find the link). Most places have us between 3 and 6 wins.

That being said, there is no way that will happen. There are 10 non-divisional games that make my above analysis iffy AT BEST and the NFC East plays the NFC South, which is one of the weaker conferences as well as the AFC South, a mediocre division. OAK plays the AFC and NFC North -- both solid divisions. CLE plays the AFC & NFC west, also decent divisions. We have a much easier non-conference schedule than both OAK and CLE.

Vegas has us at 6 on the over-under. That is tied for 5th lowest. I think that is a closer estimate --- but that is why you play the games!!!!!

I'd be all for the #1 overall draft selection if I thought there was a franchise quarterback in the 2016 draft. I don't. And neither does CBS Sports, among others:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl- ... -joey-bosa

markshark84 wrote:Can you blame them?

No I'm not blaming them at all, mark. I'm asking a serious question. Are they picking us to be dead last because we sucked last year and our roster still looks terrible? Are we really going to be 2-14 this season or is this just sports journalists being lazy?

No right or wrong answer. It seems to me - like you mentioned - people always assume that teams are going to perform exactly like they did the previous year, and that hardly ever happens with the exception of the teams who have Manning, Brady and Rodgers.

nobody really believes that the product on the field is in the hands of NFL people - the last 2 weeks clearly show this

until Dan Snyder lets the NFL guys manage things, the results will not change and we will be amongst the worst in the NFL

we could get lucky but the pervasive, losing attitude will not go away


IF this franchise starts out looking bad and going 0-4 - this could get very ugly ...

I predict that Gruden will do everything he can to not be here next season but at the same time he will also do everything he can to make sure he can get a good job elsewhere and that does not happen if he does not show that it was not his fault ....

we never seems to suck quite enough to get the first pick!

I honestly don't think we'll be in playoff contention, but I don't understand the 'gloom and doom' "expert" picks, having us finishing dead last in the league. There's no way I see us going 0-4 in the first four weeks. I honestly could see us at .500 at the end of the year.

If you're putting much stock into these preseason predictions, I'd encourage you to google "NFL 2013 predictions". Pretty good stuff there:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/pat ... redictions

Redskins Projected Record: 9-7
When I was at camp, it was clear the Redskins practice faster than a year ago when the Shanahans were figuring out how to build an offense around Robert Griffin III. Alfred Morris proved he is a special back as a rookie, having some of his best days vs. division opponents. In six division games, Morris touched the ball 149 times (24.8 per game) for 770 yards (128.3 yards per game). The defense is better with Brian Orakpo back, but issues remain in the secondary. Last season, the Redskins gave up 1,719 yards in six division games. Repeating that kind of that performance could leave Washington outside of the playoffs.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap200000 ... ign-in-nfc

NFC East
Elliot Harrison: Redskins. Robert Griffin III will prove that 2012 was no fluke, playing great football late to best the Cowboys and Giants for the NFC East crown. RGIII's knee? It'll be a distant memory.

Bleacher Report
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1665 ... am/page/19

While they'll ultimately miss out on the playoffs this year, they've build a strong foundation to be a competitive team for years and years.

Final Record: 8-8

USA Today
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nf ... s/2768317/

NFC East
winner Cowboys Redskins
Giants
Giants
Cowboys
Cowboys

http://walterfootball.com/offseason2013playoffs.php

Redskins 9-7

Good stuff.

riggofan wrote:

markshark84 wrote:Can you blame them?

No I'm not blaming them at all, mark. I'm asking a serious question. Are they picking us to be dead last because we sucked last year and our roster still looks terrible? Are we really going to be 2-14 this season or is this just sports journalists being lazy?

No right or wrong answer. It seems to me - like you mentioned - people always assume that teams are going to perform exactly like they did the previous year, and that hardly ever happens with the exception of the teams who have Manning, Brady and Rodgers.

LOL. I never saw your post. I posted my response minutes after you did. I was drafting mine when you posted yours.

Completely agree with your second paragraph though.

StorminMormon86 wrote:I honestly don't think we'll be in playoff contention, but I don't understand the 'gloom and doom' "expert" picks, having us finishing dead last in the league. There's no way I see us going 0-4 in the first four weeks. I honestly could see us at .500 at the end of the year.

Well the Redskins will get more "clicks" than say Oak or Clev....

OldSchool's other team is already looking ahead to 2016 ...

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-foo ... or-cardale

Jackson is an awesome WR - I guess it doesn't matter too much what he says ....

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-foo ... 15-outlook

can you imagine the uproar if those thoughts came from a QB?

SkinsJock wrote:OldSchool's other team is already looking ahead to 2016 ...

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-foo ... or-cardale

I'm off the Browns, way off the Browns my interest was short lived when I heard Kyle Shanny was getting text messages during the game I bailed on them. There owner is at least as screwed up as Synder I don't have a "second team" yet.


As for the topic there is no way in hell the Skins are going to stink bad enough to get the top pick. I think SM and JG will produce a modest improvement to 6-8 wins this year providing they stay fairly healthy and the rushing game is better and the pass coverage a little better. I think Cousins starts 16 games and aside from a couple stinkers because he is forced to throw more than 40 times he does a solid job for guy having starts 10 through 25 on a poor to mediocre football team.

SkinsJock wrote:OldSchool's other team is already looking ahead to 2016 ...

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-foo ... or-cardale

I'm off the Browns, way off the Browns my interest was short lived when I heard Kyle Shanny was getting text messages during the game I bailed on them. There owner is at least as screwed up as Synder I don't have a "second team" yet.


As for the topic there is no way in hell the Skins are going to stink bad enough to get the top pick. I think SM and JG will produce a modest improvement to 6-8 wins this year providing they stay fairly healthy and the rushing game is better and the pass coverage a little better. I think Cousins starts 16 games and aside from a couple stinkers because he is forced to throw more than 40 times he does a solid job for guy having starts 10 through 25 on a poor to mediocre football team.

Let's examine the word "expert"..
Ex=has been
spurt= high pressure drip.

We must remember that it's not only the fans such as us that have an issue with Danny. The sense of his overbearing need to insert himself into issues he shouldn't has made him an easy mark which bleeds over into the people who talk about the skins. If the realization comes where Scot Mc is running the show, most of these media clowns will back off. Oh, and if we settle on one QB and he plays well.

DEHog wrote:we never seems to suck quite enough to get the first pick!

I'm usually a very optimistic person, but I have to say I hold out little hope of this being a good season in any way.

Don't get me wrong, I think we're moving very much in the right direction, loving what SM is doing, building up the trenches, etc.

But this year we're likely gonna stink. And the reason the media are predicting a bust year..? Mainly because of the QB and HC situation - the two most important positions on the payroll arguably. They all believe Capt Kirk to be a turnover machine and I don't get the impression any of them feel Grudan is a decent head coach.

And they're probably right.

If Capt Kirk has developed and grown in confidence sufficently to greatly reduce the number of interceptions he throws then we could have a really lively offense. Could even blow a couple of teams out. But that's a massive 'If'.

The thing is we really need Cousins to be either REALLY good or REALLY bad. If he's really good then great, we have our QB. If he's really bad then we may get 1st pick next year to address the situation.

A more likely scenario (going by recent experience) is Cousins endures more issues in an up and down year and the secondary struggles again as Dashon is shown up to be past it already. And God help us if Trent Williams gets injured. We will probably end up with about 5 wins and are too far down in the pecking order in the draft to bring in a top QB next time, leading to a very interesting off season...

I don't have a lot of hope for this season. The schedule is brutal, and it's quite likely we're looking at starting the season 0-4, which normally dooms a team. I think the team will be better than last year, but that may not show in wins and losses.

I do not have confidence that Cousins will hold up over the year. I've seen the guy crumble under pressure (once he throws one INT, the next one comes soon after and looks awful), and I don't know that you can teach someone how to perform under pressure. And our overall team is not good enough to support even an average QB and have success.

KILO wrote:We must remember that it's not only the fans such as us that have an issue with Danny. The sense of his overbearing need to insert himself into issues he shouldn't has made him an easy mark which bleeds over into the people who talk about the skins. If the realization comes where Scot Mc is running the show, most of these media clowns will back off. Oh, and if we settle on one QB and he plays well.

I agree that most people outside of redskins fans have a negative view of Danny boy --- at least everyone I know.... and I live in TX.

Danny boy has always had an overwhelming need to stick his nose where it doesn't belong. That fact is WELL established through nearly 2 DECADES of precedent. Danny has literally no football experience and the basically every football decision he has made up to this point has been wrong. Yet, his ego still drives him to think he can actually be successful. You know what the definition of insanity is. Danny is living proof.

Has Danny boy been proven as a liar and deceiver --- yes.
Has he ruined every HC that he has hired in DC --- yes (outside of Gibbs)
Has he consistently stuck his nose where it doesn't belong --- yes.
Does he have a false sense of his ability as a football evaluator --- yes.
Is he a horrible manager and put in place on of the most dysfunctional football front offices --- yes, until proven otherwise.
Does he play favorites --- yes.
Has he earned any benefit of the doubt --- no.

Danny is the worst owner in pro sports. Anyone that says otherwise is wrong. IMHO, this FACT is indisputable. Both his off field and on field results an attest to this.

So why should the media -- the ones he doesn't control (not that Larry Michael CLOWN) -- back off? The dude dug his own grave. He needs to be a man and realize his deficiencies, admit to them, and rectify them ---- or sell the team. Because of Danny's history, it will take years of evidence that Scot is making decisions for anyone to believe it ---- including myself. He is a meddler until proven WITHOUT ANY DOUBT otherwise

keeping with the realisation that we are coming off a 4 and 12 record .... i think we will be a top 5 to10 pick .... hoping we just stay competitive in all 16 games.

we're 7-25 the past 2 seasons

we need to fix a lot of issues but there is a chance as long as Snyder stays out of the decision making here ...

SkinsJock wrote:we're 7-25 the past 2 seasons

yikes. And people are predicting us to go 2-14 this year? What an (ongoing) embarrassment that would be.