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I assume that eventually C00ley will break down the entire team. Thus far, he's only done RGIII. Click the link below and search for the title listed below.

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Aug 21 - C00ley film breakdown

Cooley breaks down the film of RG III vs the Lions. (Date Added: 8/21/15)

- Courtesy of ESPN980 Audio Vault


He essentially verifies what many of us have already said. And his "source" within the organization is Kirk Cousins, I'm 95% sure of it as I learned very recently that they hang out A LOT through a mutual acquaintance.

Well that was depressing...

Do you guys know who makes the call as to who is the best QB for this offense? If it's Gruden and he thinks that Griffin is better than the other 2, despite what you all think, then why are you not clamoring for him to be canned.

Why all the consternation about what Griffin says, which means nothing, and not a lot of criticism from the fans and the media about who is choosing Griffin over McCoy or Cousins?

Griffin is not in charge here, he's just a player.

I thought that everyone had to show real improvement or they were gone - what is happening here?

SkinsJock wrote:Do you guys know who makes the call as to who is the best QB for this offense? If it's Gruden and he thinks that Griffin is better than the other 2, despite what you all think, then why are you not clamoring for him to be canned.

Why all the consternation about what Griffin says, which means nothing, and not a lot of criticism from the fans and the media about who is choosing Griffin over McCoy or Cousins?

Griffin is not in charge here, he's just a player.

I thought that everyone had to show real improvement or they were gone - what is happening here?

SJ, I think you are the only person on this board who believe Scot and Jay want to start Griffin.

I just listened to ey's breakdown. First, I think ey is probably hurting his slim chances of getting back on the roster or maintaining a spot in the Snyder food chain with this sort of candor. But he adds substance and to what we all sense, Robert is hapless and shouldn't be playing.

SkinsJock wrote:Do you guys know who makes the call as to who is the best QB for this offense? If it's Gruden and he thinks that Griffin is better than the other 2, despite what you all think, then why are you not clamoring for him to be canned.

I don't like Jay or RGIII, if you're asking my personal opinion. I don't how unprofessional Jay Gruden comes off as. I want RGIII to be benched, starting him means that this is a lost season and it isn't fair to the other 52 men on the roster.

SkinsJock wrote:Why all the consternation about what Griffin says, which means nothing, and not a lot of criticism from the fans and the media about who is choosing Griffin over McCoy or Cousins?

Well, I think that everyone took a "wait and see" approach. We waited and we've seen... The Lions game was very telling. I don't know if you listen to ESPN980 but it's not just C00ley saying this. Doc Walker and BMitch said that RGIII looks exactly the same as he did last year. That's 3 players.

SkinsJock wrote:Griffin is not in charge here, he's just a player.

He isn't. But he is "special" and he was heavily invested in. I think that the GM felt that he could get RGIII into a Russell Wilson like situation. He wanted to evaluate RGIII after doing some maintenance to the roster. This GM isn't afraid to tell Snyder "no", so whenever he has seen enough, RGIII will be benched.

SkinsJock wrote:I thought that everyone had to show real improvement or they were gone - what is happening here?

True. I feel that it should have been an open competition. But these guys know they're dealing with a guy who's insecure and has been coddled. They wanted to know if they could get any return on investment and know that they had to do it with kids gloves. RGIII is like Lebron (imo) in that he NEEDS to be loved. He's an overly emotional guy and is unsure of himself.

Even though I want him benched, I can't imagine the mental gymnastics and emotions he must be going thru. To go from the best rookie QB ever to absolute trash AND for it to be self-inflicted to a large degree... That's rough.

PulpExposure wrote:Well that was depressing...

It needed to be posted. Got tired of the debating when there really is nothing to debate. This isn't a matter of opinion or interpretation. The kid sucks, he can't do it. One of two things need to happen.

1. Bring back Kyles offense
2. Bench him

the guys that make the 'on the field' decisions here, namely Gruden and McCloughan, NOT Snyder, seem to think, after all this time, that Griffin has shown enough improvement to start the 1st 2 games - wrong

from what we've seen, it seems obvious that he has not improved much, if at all

we were assured that Griffin would be the starting QB but that he had to show improvement - time to go to Cousins or McCoy - no big deal

just a shame that the QB with 'all the upside' cannot seem to make the grade

anyone that thinks or is convinced that Snyder is influencing this situation is a step above a troll ... IMO

OldSchool wrote:SJ, I think you are the only person on this board who believe Scot and Jay want to start Griffin.

OS, as usual, you are mistaken ...

I think that Scot and Jay are doing the best they can to help this franchise and that Jay understands his job is on the line here

I also do not believe (or want to believe) that Dan Snyder is influencing their decision making at all

IMO - these guys are trying to give Griffin every opportunity to become a good NFL QB because that means they would be able to build the offense around him - it certainly does not look like that is going to happen

In the near future, they're going to have to find a starting QB because IMO they know that Cousins and McCoy are just capable NFL QBs

with the 3 QBs they have, this franchise was not going to be a very good NFL offense this season - there is much to like but there are still issues to resolve - Scot has a plan and that will now require finding a good NFL QB ... and a HC if Jay does not do a much better job

I'm not as big a fan of Griffin as you think - I just want what is best for the franchise, that means someone other than Cousins or McCoy

It was a really interesting film breakdown, and pretty damning of Griffin's prospects to improve, IMHO. I was really hoping that he would be able to show solid progress with a calm and stable, injury-free offseason, but it's becoming apparent that he might still be the same quarterback with all the same weaknesses.

Irn-Bru wrote:It was a really interesting film breakdown, and pretty damning of Griffin's prospects to improve, IMHO. I was really hoping that he would be able to show solid progress with a calm and stable, injury-free offseason, but it's becoming apparent that he might still be the same quarterback with all the same weaknesses.

You can't recreate yourself at the QB position. It took Niles how long to convert? It took Alex Smith how many years just to be become competent (somewhat)? Do you essentially piss away years of peoples careers to hopefully have RGIII develop?

I like the guy but he's a lost cause. Pains me to say it because we're talking about a mans dreams, his career. But...what else can we say?

OldSchool wrote:I just listened to ey's breakdown. First, I think ey is probably hurting his slim chances of getting back on the roster.

Per NFL rules, he can't come back for us, because he already works for the team as a radio personality.

I'd cut Bob and keep the Coach. This team needs a 2nd year coach (to prove his worth) more than a 4th year QB (who has stunk it up lately).

I feel sorry for the kid, but as someone said..............it's a LOST CAUSE.

Irn-Bru wrote:It was a really interesting film breakdown, and pretty damning of Griffin's prospects to improve, IMHO. I was really hoping that he would be able to show solid progress with a calm and stable, injury-free offseason, but it's becoming apparent that he might still be the same quarterback with all the same weaknesses.

We hear a lot of happy talk Griffin making progress during other camps only to learn the truth when he looks as hapless and useless as before. I don't believe it unless zi see it now

Its only preseason. Yes it was bad.

Griffin looked ok in the first game. So I am not giving up on him yet. So we have on OK game and one horrible game so far. Two more pre season games I believe or three and then the season starts.
I obviously would like to see some improvement.
I know this much. Any QB going against 1st string top notch defenses will have a hard time if protection is bad.
Griffin still needs to slide right left step up when needed. This is a comfort in the pocket issue as well as confidence and awareness. Yes it was a very bad game.

I think the desire to see Rgiii successfully run THIS wco overshadows the fact that it's JUST preseason. Unfortunately for this QB, he doesn't have the luxury of turning in a poor pre-season despite the games not mattering. While other starting qbs have turned in shaky performances, ours is being chased down by the backup(s) and media. Most other "starters" have barely played- and DEFINITELY would've been pulled after some of he BIG hits he took- we kept him in there hoping to see a "spark"... Because we haven't yet been affirmed of his game day progress (only his progress in practice and scrimmage where he can't get hit).

It's a well known fact that Defense's are generally further ahead of Offenses at this time of the year- at least that's what I tell myself when we arent seeing what we want to see- in games with no importance.
The Lions game was not a good one for the QB, 1team oline, McVay, or Gruden... Whom I think are all to blame for the $#!+ storm we all saw equally.

He is still getting the first team reps for whatever it's worth..

If these guys start with Griffin against the Ravens, I hope we see a lot of hand offs to our great running backs ...

are these other 2 guys just not getting it done on the practice field?

SkinsJock wrote:If these guys start with Griffin against the Ravens, I hope we see a lot of hand offs to our great running backs ...

are these other 2 guys just not getting it done on the practice field?

Yeah, that must be the answer McCoy and Cousins must not be performing in practice. Good point SJ, we can't let our eyes fool us because they MUST be screwing up during the practices we don't see. Excellent insight SJ, that is the explanation we've all been seeking.

SkinsJock wrote:If these guys start with Griffin against the Ravens, I hope we see a lot of hand offs to our great running backs ...

are these other 2 guys just not getting it done on the practice field?

Come on, man. How naive are we? There is no competition for the starting job right now and never was. Period.

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Come on, man. How naive are we? There is no competition for the starting job right now and never was. Period.[/quote]

In my view some of us here are pretty naive because they believe Jay Gruden and Scot McCloughan think Griffin is the best QB on the roster and are playing him because of merit without direction from Snyder.

OldSchool wrote:In my view some of us here are pretty naive because they believe Jay Gruden and Scot McCloughan think Griffin is the best QB on the roster and are playing him because of merit without direction from Snyder.

I'm as happy as anyone that McCloughan is here. But it seems pretty clear they all agreed with Snyder to "give it the old college try" with Griffin before we even got to OTAs.

OldSchool wrote:In my view some of us here are pretty naive because they believe Jay Gruden and Scot McCloughan think Griffin is the best QB on the roster and are playing him because of merit without direction from Snyder.

YUP.

No way anyone with even a rudimentary understanding of the game truly thinks RGIII is the best QB --- RIGHT NOW. The only guy in our front office lacking such an understanding is Danny boy. RGIII is still making the same mistakes this preseason he was last year. I hope I'm wrong about RGIII's progress based on what I see versus what I read via the redskins media outlets, but I haven't been the past 2 seasons... maybe 3rd time is the charm....

That being said, I do want to see what RGIII is capable of the next 5-8 games just so we can put this 3 year project to rest. If he gets hurt (yes, even if he gets hurt and can't prove anything) or underperforms --- I hope he is replaced by Cousins PERMANENTLY and is gone at the end of the year (only because he'd be paid like $17M next season). If he somehow reverts back to his 2012 form, AWESOME!!!

markshark84 wrote:I do want to see what RGIII is capable of the next 5-8 games just so we can put this 3 year project to rest.

I give you guys credit for your patience. I've tried to get on board with this idea, but it gets more difficult every game I watch him play. I can't remember being less excited about football season.

riggofan wrote:

markshark84 wrote:I do want to see what RGIII is capable of the next 5-8 games just so we can put this 3 year project to rest.

I give you guys credit for your patience. I've tried to get on board with this idea, but it gets more difficult every game I watch him play. I can't remember being less excited about football season.

I'd rather have some fun seeing if McCoy or Cousins could win some games. It looks like we got a better running game and maybe, just maybe the defense is improved. I'd love to have at least some Feaking HOPE of some fun watching the Skins. Both of the other guys showed us something last year maybe with a better supporting cast they can win a few and look like an NFL team.

Another thing and I'm serious about it I don't want to see Griffin get hurt. He's a game kid, too cocky for my tastes but a game kid and I don't want to see this young man get hurt. He looks defenseless and helpless when he is in the line up. If there is a minor league for football players where he could continue to work on acquiring pocket skill that's where he needs to go. I don't watch Arena or Canadian football but maybe a couple of seasons at a lower level would help him, in the NFL Griffin is a major injury waiting to happen.

riggofan wrote:

markshark84 wrote:I do want to see what RGIII is capable of the next 5-8 games just so we can put this 3 year project to rest.

I give you guys credit for your patience. I've tried to get on board with this idea, but it gets more difficult every game I watch him play. I can't remember being less excited about football season.

It is taking every ounce of the patience I have to make that statement.

I agree in that every game I watch it makes it harder to maintain this opinion, but they are preseason games --- at least that is what I'm telling myself. Against DET he looked like our rookie practice squad QB after looking at McCoy and Cousins out there....

I just want this chapter to be put to rest or to finally materialize. RGIII has some seriously LOYAL supporters --- in that their support/bias makes them blinded to the reality of his (and not those around him) performances. If we give him 5 or more games, my opinion is that if RGIII stinks it up --- even the blind ones will have to concede. If he plays well, great.

OLDSCHOOL - I totally agree that we are better served having Cousins (IMHO, not McCoy) in there. He gives us the best chance to win. But in reality our owner has a bias towards RGIII. Playing the BEST QB isn't a reality.

All this QB competition talk is annoying.

When you draft a QB at no. 2 overall he is guaranteed to be the starter at some point in time. Robert was the top prospect along with Andrew Luck. We all know this already.

Even Ryan Leaf was given the starting position because he was the no.2 or 3 I forget overall in the draft.

Now had Robert not had a successful first season and injury he probably would of been benched by now.

Roberts success in his rookie season is why some still believe he is capable of returning to his former glory!!!

Gruden was hired to get Griffin back to playing at a high level!!!!!