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The new defensive scheme. your thoughts?
Posted: Tue May 26, 2015 1:25 pm
by Prowl33
As we have gotten further into camp there has been more talk about our new defense.
Im very excited about our front 3 to 4 guys. Having Hatch, Pot roast, and Paea shooting the gaps to get into the backfield should be nasty to say the least, then on nickle and dime packages having smith mixed in... im hoping to see a lot of sacks and hits.
Hatch had an interview recently and he talked about how last years system didnt really fit for him, having to hold and direct blockers isnt his thing, blowing past them is, and he is predicting a good year for himself being able to do what he does best, getting into the backfield.
Re: The new defensive scheme. your thoughts?
Posted: Tue May 26, 2015 1:39 pm
by riggofan
Prowl33 wrote:Hatch had an interview recently and he talked about how last years system didnt really fit for him, having to hold and direct blockers isnt his thing, blowing past them is, and he is predicting a good year for himself being able to do what he does best, getting into the backfield.
lol. Maybe he and Bruce should have had that discussion before they signed him last year!
Re: The new defensive scheme. your thoughts?
Posted: Tue May 26, 2015 3:50 pm
by Prowl33
riggofan wrote:Prowl33 wrote:Hatch had an interview recently and he talked about how last years system didnt really fit for him, having to hold and direct blockers isnt his thing, blowing past them is, and he is predicting a good year for himself being able to do what he does best, getting into the backfield.
lol. Maybe he and Bruce should have had that discussion before they signed him last year!
The same Bruce that sounded surprised when during his han press conference was talking about how good Orakpo was and someone pointed out that he had 1/2 a sack in 7 games played?.
Hatch said he will do what hes paid to do, but he knows his strength is getting to the QB. Regardless of last year, Hatch should start being worth his pay check this year.
Re: The new defensive scheme. your thoughts?
Posted: Wed May 27, 2015 12:30 pm
by yupchagee
riggofan wrote:Prowl33 wrote:Hatch had an interview recently and he talked about how last years system didnt really fit for him, having to hold and direct blockers isnt his thing, blowing past them is, and he is predicting a good year for himself being able to do what he does best, getting into the backfield.
lol. Maybe he and Bruce should have had that discussion before they signed him last year!
& maybe the OC & DL coach should have been in on the discussion as well.
Re: The new defensive scheme. your thoughts?
Posted: Wed May 27, 2015 1:08 pm
by Countertrey
I'm certainly excited about the potential that our new talent brings... But I have heard only vague generalities about scheme... So, the talent tells me that our front seven is a lot better... But, that's all I know.
Re: The new defensive scheme. your thoughts?
Posted: Wed May 27, 2015 2:38 pm
by PulpExposure
I'd like to see it in action, after a few games, to give you real thoughts on it. Right now it's all just talk and words.
Re: The new defensive scheme. your thoughts?
Posted: Wed May 27, 2015 4:21 pm
by Prowl33
Countertrey wrote:I'm certainly excited about the potential that our new talent brings... But I have heard only vague generalities about scheme... So, the talent tells me that our front seven is a lot better... But, that's all I know.
Whats been said so far is 70-80% of our snaps will be a 4 man front. All 3 or 4 d linemen will be asked to rush the gap, rather than Hasletts scheme which was the d linemen hold their man to help the linebackers penetrate. Should be a lot more fun to watch and provide a lot of qb pressure.
Re: The new defensive scheme. your thoughts?
Posted: Thu May 28, 2015 11:53 am
by Bishop Hammer
PulpExposure wrote:I'd like to see it in action, after a few games, to give you real thoughts on it. Right now it's all just talk and words.
Bingo; we were singing the same tune, this time, last offseason. We were singing a different one half way thru the season.
Re: The new defensive scheme. your thoughts?
Posted: Fri May 29, 2015 12:49 am
by Hooligan
I like that it's not Haslett and the plan is to go in the opposite direction.
Whether it's ultimately a success and Barry can actually coach a defense the second time around is up in the air.
Re: The new defensive scheme. your thoughts?
Posted: Fri May 29, 2015 9:34 am
by PAPDOG67
Hooligan wrote:I like that it's not Haslett and the plan is to go in the opposite direction.
Whether it's ultimately a success and Barry can actually coach a defense the second time around is up in the air.
Bingo. Anything is better than Haslett. We'll see if this guy Barry can coach.
Re: The new defensive scheme. your thoughts?
Posted: Fri May 29, 2015 4:56 pm
by HEROHAMO
Any scheme is better then last years. Our defense was last or close to last in most categories.
I am hopeful with the infusion of new talent acquired this off season.
Re: The new defensive scheme. your thoughts?
Posted: Fri May 29, 2015 8:25 pm
by yupchagee
The scheme is less important than the players. Last year's scheme failed because the DL's couldn't hold up, making the LB's job a lot harder. Kerrigan played well in spite of the lineman, not because of them.
Re: The new defensive scheme. your thoughts?
Posted: Sat May 30, 2015 9:46 am
by Countertrey
yupchagee wrote:The scheme is less important than the players. Last year's scheme failed because the DL's couldn't hold up, making the LB's job a lot harder. Kerrigan played well in spite of the lineman, not because of them.
I preached last year that the
key was the complete inability of our Nose Tackles to hold their ground... they were pushed around all season. That will happen no more... that one addition dramatically changed to personality of our DL... then they continued to improve it. This will be a very strong DL, with solid play across...
Re: The new defensive scheme. your thoughts?
Posted: Sat May 30, 2015 12:31 pm
by PulpExposure
PAPDOG67 wrote:Hooligan wrote:I like that it's not Haslett and the plan is to go in the opposite direction.
Whether it's ultimately a success and Barry can actually coach a defense the second time around is up in the air.
Bingo. Anything is better than Haslett. We'll see if this guy Barry can coach.
So it can get worse than Haslett, as bad as it was. Last time Barry was a defensive coordinator, his teams for both years were dead last in yards and points allowed both years.
Granted, those teams didn't have a ton of talent, but just be careful what you wish for. It can get worse. He doesn't have a track record that screams success...
Re: The new defensive scheme. your thoughts?
Posted: Sat May 30, 2015 7:14 pm
by Countertrey
PulpExposure wrote:PAPDOG67 wrote:Hooligan wrote:I like that it's not Haslett and the plan is to go in the opposite direction.
Whether it's ultimately a success and Barry can actually coach a defense the second time around is up in the air.
Bingo. Anything is better than Haslett. We'll see if this guy Barry can coach.
So it can get worse than Haslett, as bad as it was. Last time Barry was a defensive coordinator, his teams for both years were dead last in yards and points allowed both years.
Granted, those teams didn't have a ton of talent, but just be careful what you wish for. It can get worse. He doesn't have a track record that screams success...
This has worried me since I heard the name announced... OTOH, Bellichick sucked once...
Re: The new defensive scheme. your thoughts?
Posted: Sat May 30, 2015 9:32 pm
by Prowl33
PulpExposure wrote:PAPDOG67 wrote:Hooligan wrote:I like that it's not Haslett and the plan is to go in the opposite direction.
Whether it's ultimately a success and Barry can actually coach a defense the second time around is up in the air.
Bingo. Anything is better than Haslett. We'll see if this guy Barry can coach.
So it can get worse than Haslett, as bad as it was. Last time Barry was a defensive coordinator, his teams for both years were dead last in yards and points allowed both years.
Granted, those teams didn't have a ton of talent, but just be careful what you wish for. It can get worse. He doesn't have a track record that screams success...
Every situation is different, plus some people gotta fall flat on their face before they can really succeed. Im sure Barry knows exactly what part in those bad seasons he played and how not to repeat them. Plus he has a good supporting staff around him in the FO, HC, and the assistants that he has.
We wont know until we see, but im not worried or thinking about his detroit days.
Re: The new defensive scheme. your thoughts?
Posted: Sun May 31, 2015 1:29 am
by Hooligan
Prowl33 wrote:
Every situation is different, plus some people gotta fall flat on their face before they can really succeed. Im sure Barry knows exactly what part in those bad seasons he played and how not to repeat them. Plus he has a good supporting staff around him in the FO, HC, and the assistants that he has.
We wont know until we see, but im not worried or thinking about his detroit days.
We could have said the same things about Haslett, and we saw how his defenses turned out over the years. I want to be optimistic, but I'm not setting myself up for disappointment.
Re: The new defensive scheme. your thoughts?
Posted: Sun May 31, 2015 10:57 am
by SkinsJock
I like that analogy - Belicheat's tenure in Cleveland was hopeless ...
It's not the coach's fault anymore than it's the QB's fault ... this is a team game and you need to have everything working together - the coach has to get more out of his players but the players have to execute the game plan - both have to work in harmony or you get what we've seen around here for many seasons
Gruen did not have a good season as HC but I don't think it was mostly his fault anymore than it was mostly the QB's fault, or the O line's fault, or that it was Haslett's fault his players did not make tackles or prevent the score or stop the other team on 3rd down and forever
everyone needs to get on the same page and everyone here is very aware that their future is on the line here
it does not matter what happened before, all that matters is what happens from now until the last game of this season
I am looking forward to seeing this franchise playing with more of an attitude this season
Re: The new defensive scheme. your thoughts?
Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2015 2:08 pm
by SkinsJock
PulpExposure wrote:I'd like to see it in action .... Right now it's all just talk and words.
EXACTLY - all this talk about how "aggressive" the defense is going to be, is just wishful thinking and hype
I'll settle for having a defense - what we've had recently has been non existent
Re: The new defensive scheme. your thoughts?
Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 2:36 am
by HEROHAMO
Bellichick sucked once...
I do get your point Trey but if he sucked once it sure wasnt when he was with the Giants.
Re: The new defensive scheme. your thoughts?
Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 8:16 am
by fredp45
The Defense will be better for one reason...better talent. I was not a fan of Haslett but he didn't have much to work with.
DL -- Last year we didn't have our best DL (Coefield) for a good chunk of the year...ignoring the fact, he was not suited for NT. He was a very good DT in a 4-3. Also, Bowen was out for awhile too, even though he was a good player for Dallas on passing downs. The current group of DL are younger and better suited to play a 3-4 base Defense. We finally have a true NT.
OLB -- While Orakpo is a very good OLB he was unreliable. A player isn't worth much who isn't playing. Murphy will be only better year 2, add Smith to the mix.
CB -- Our best CB (Hall) got hurt early on. Breeland stepped up while Amerson stepped back. Adding Culliver and a healthy Hall improves the unit. Plus, Amerson either steps up or is gone.
Safeties -- don't need to say much here -- last year we had a horrible pair in Clark, who was good in the day, he was so done last year. Everyone said, he made a lot of tackles, I contend he made them after our opponent got a first down. AND Mayweather stunk. The new guys can only be better, there is no way around it.
If the scheme is -- Put more pressure on the qb...I like it.
Re: The new defensive scheme. your thoughts?
Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 8:48 am
by Deadskins
Yes, I like that the linemen are not being asked to simply occupy the O line, while the LB's make the plays. This year we should be getting a pass rush without having to blitz every time.
Re: The new defensive scheme. your thoughts?
Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 9:07 am
by Deadskins
fredp45 wrote:Safeties -- don't need to say much here -- last year we had a horrible pair in Clark, who was good in the day, he was so done last year. Everyone said, he made a lot of tackles, I contend he made them after our opponent got a first down. AND Mayweather stunk. The new guys can only be better, there is no way around it.
http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-reds ... cial-teams
Re: The new defensive scheme. your thoughts?
Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2015 10:23 am
by SkinsJock
every defense wants to pressure the QB - some are better at it than others ...
it's not all because of bad coaching ... or ... all because of players not executing
great coaching cannot overcome players not executing anymore than great players can overcome bad preparation
we just had a combination of all the things that lead to bad things happening on the field
this franchise needs to overcome the pervasive, losing attitude it has had for over a decade
Re: The new defensive scheme. your thoughts?
Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2015 1:30 pm
by Deadskins