The-Hogs.net - Washington Football Discussion, Redskins to Commanders Era

I've been rewatching some of the old games recently, and what's become very apparent is that Moseley missed a LOT of field goals, and even extra points. I'd totally forgotten that he missed FOUR field goals in the 83 NFC Championship game against the niners, almost costing us the game.

I know he's an institution, and his year in '82 was great (up until the playoffs, when he hit another slump), but does anyone have any career numbers for the guy? How did he stack up when looking at his ENTIRE career?

Here ya go:

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/p ... lmar01.htm

Wow, thank you! site there.

So, Moseley was basically average, maybe on the lower end of average, with a 68percent all time accuracy rating.

Lohmiller I see was up in the seventies, and even Tony Zendejas had a higher rating, though I'm sure his total attempts were much lower.

Did Moseley actually come back to Washington after his stint in Cleveland? It seemed to indicate that on his stat sheet, but I can't remember...

But Moseley remains the only kicker to be named MVP. 82 and 83 were the clear pinnacle of his career. In 83, I can only recall him missing one clutch, need-it-to-win-or-tie kick -- at the end of the 48-47 MNF loss at Green Bay.

(consults 1987 media guide .....)

Moseley started out the 1986 season with Washington and kicked in the first five games. In Game 6, a 30-6 road loss to That Team in Texas, the only reference to a kicker was "(kicked missed)" after a George Rogers touchdown.

Here's the story from the Post, which mentions Moseley being in a four-game slump:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/sp ... w1986a.htm

He must have been released after that game, because Max Zendejas was kicking in Game 7. Moseley signed on with Cleveland at the end of the season and hit a FG in overtime to beat the Jets in the playoffs, and then the Browns lost to Denver in the "Drive" game for the AFC title.

(Sorry to all of those who just experienced violent Mex Zendejas flashbacks .....) Max lasted through Game 15 -- he was 9-for-14 on FGs and 23-for-28 on PATs, including some ghastly misses IIRC. In Week 16, he was replaced by Jess Atkinson, who never missed a kick as a Redskin.

He was 3-for-3 on PATs in the last game, then hit all FG and PAT attempts in playoff wins over the LA Rams and Chicago Bears. He was only asked to make one FG attempt in the NFC title game against the Giants, but the wind was blowing so hard that it blew the snap off line, causing the holder to mis-handle the ball and Jess never got a foot on it.

Then we all know what happened in the 1987 season opener. Doug Williams hits Monk with a 6-yard TD pass, Atkinson comes on for the PAT, makes the kick, but Andre "Dirty" Waters rolls up Jess' plant leg and breaks the ankle.

Atkinson never kicked in the NFL again and led the Redskins to their signing of Ali Hook-n-Shank for the rest of that championship season (at least Jess got a ring), which led to the drafting of Chip Lohmiller.

ARRRRGH! Damn Max Zendejas...I had expunged him from my memory...and I don't like that he's back in it. Didn't we have a terd kicker named Ali Haji-Sheikh too...or something like that..after Zendejas?

DieselFan wrote:Didn't we have a terd kicker named Ali Haji-Sheikh too...or something like that..after Zendejas?

Yes. That would be the afore-mentioned "Ali Hook-n-Shank"

Was Max Zendejas that guy who sucked so we released him. Then he goes to another team and plays against us. He said that he was going to make us pay for releasing him. But he ended up missing two field goals up close and one extra point, which cost them the game.

Is that the guy your talking about??? I could be mistaken for someone else. I was pretty young then.

Redskins Rule wrote:Was Max Zendejas that guy who sucked so we released him. Then he goes to another team and plays against us. He said that he was going to make us pay for releasing him. But he ended up missing two field goals up close and one extra point, which cost them the game.

Is that the guy your talking about??? I could be mistaken for someone else. I was pretty young then.

But you ARE correct, sir!

October 23, 1988, County Stadium, Milwaukee, Wis. -- Redskins 20, Packers 17

Here's the recount from the Packers' media notes before the 9/24/01 MNF game in Green Bay:

"THE LAST TIME: Considering they were playing against the reigning Super Bowl champions - and that they fell behind 10-0 in the first 11 minutes of the game - the Packers turned in a highly- respectable performance in their most recent encounter with the Redskins, a contest played at Milwaukee County Stadium, October 23, 1988, midway through Lindy Infante's first year as Green Bay's head coach.

The Packers were sufficiently competitive, in fact, to not only gain 10-10 parity by halftime but mount a 17-10 lead in the third quarter before ultimately yielding a 20-17 to the world champions.

After Chip Lohmiller's first field goal of the afternoon, a 33-yard effort, and quarterback Doug Williams' 2-yard strike to wide receiver Art Monk had staked Washington to its early lead, the Packers began to flex their offensive muscles, sweeping 80 yards in 4 plays for their first touchdown of the day, the key development a 49-yard, pass-run maneuver which found quarterback Don Majkowski hitting Keith Woodside on the move. The rookie running back from Texas A&M did the rest, swiftly maneuvering through the Washington secondary and into the end zone.

Chuck Cecil's recovery of a fumbled punt in the second period subsequently triggered a 34-yard field goal by placekicker Max Zendejas.

Another fumble recovery, this one by linebacker Brian Noble early in the third quarter, which gave the Packers possession at the Washington 8-yard line, enabled them to claim the lead. Two plays later, Majkowski found Woodside in the end zone for the score. Zendejas made it 17-10 with his conversion.

The Redskins, unhappy over this turn of events, retaliated with a 13-play, 77-yard drive to square accounts. Williams capped the effort with a 13-yard scoring pass to Kelvin Bryant and Lohmiller's PAT forged the 17-17 tie.

Washington subsequently went up with a 20-yard field goal by Lohmiller, 20-17, which became the final score. The Packers twice had later opportunities to pull even and/or pass the Redskins in the fourth quarter but Zendejas was wide right on a 46-yard field goal attempt with 8 minutes remaining and later wide left from 24 yards out with only 14 seconds left, sealing the Packers' fate."

Dang RedskinsFreak you really do know your stuff.

From what I also remember that was his last game in the NFL. That was the apporiate way for him to go out too. Considering he cost us a ton of games.

I have had my last 13 years of Redskin kicking memories just erased and I had to read THIS!

Thanks guys...... Oh well back to therapy!

Redskins Rule wrote:Dang RedskinsFreak you really do know your stuff.

From what I also remember that was his last game in the NFL. That was the apporiate way for him to go out too. Considering he cost us a ton of games.

Hey, that wasn't all from memory. It helps to have an almost-complete set of media guides dating back to 1972 -- when they used to be free at a downdown DC bank.

Also, I'm still being amazed at just what's out there to be found on the internet. I had also done a fairly good job of erasing those names from my memory. But I'm OK now. Zanax does that for you.

My memory is that Mosley was well above average when compared to other kickers in his years. He was the last of the straight-ahead REAL football placekickers. By those last years, he had lost some leg, and the socccer-style kickers were getting better, more and more fooballish and less soccer-futballish. (Noe of that "I keek a touchdown!!!" stuff)

The soccer technique is solidly better, though I hate to say it. I coached youth soccer in the late '80s to kids we gathered up from Little League baseball. Most of us coaches were "baseball dads" who learned our soccer from textbooks like "Soccer Skills and Drills". We could see that the kids who kicked football style had less power, got less leg into the ball than the kids who learned the 45-degree angle soccer set-piece kick.

It was like the difference between pitching from a windup and pitching from the stretch.

It's best to compare Mosely with older guys like Lou Groza.

(And I'm in full agreement about Jess Atkinson. He had a shorter range than some, but he never missed. It was a downhill slide after he was hurt.)

Mr. NFL MVP (Moseley) tried his best to keep the Skins from winning the NFC Championship against the 49ers after the '83 season. Unfortunately, the Skins ended up losing the Super Bowl that season, anyway, but his FOUR missed field goals in the championship game were excruciating. They were short one's, too. By the way, Wahington was 14-2 that season, and both losses were by one point. Imagine how bad getting crushed in the Super Bowl woulda felt had they been 18-0 at the time. If they'd gone 18-0 and then lost the Super Bowl, would that have been considered on par with Miami? Oops..tangent...

Anyway, Moseley was WAY WAY WAY overrated. He made some pressure kicks, but missed some, too. Remember when they used to bring in Steve Cox to kick the one's over 50? And to think the Skins cut Nick Lowry to keep Moseley around...TWICE! Ughh...the horror. Chip Lohmiller was a far better kicker. Although Moseley disagrees because he feels that hairstyle should be figured into the equation...

Moseley benefitted from being a member of great teams during his era. They were too good to keep him from losing too many games. Kind of the opposite of John Hall who would have won more games had his team been good enough to keep them close.

How on earth did I type that much about kickers?

CP - you neglected to mention that MM did make field goal attempt #5 to beat Montana et.al. 24-21...I remember the field was horrible - the grounds crew had to spread green sand (or green sawdust) to at least make the field look good for TV...

I remember when Moseley kicked for Cleveland, I think he missed about four field goals in a playoff game and FINALLY made a short one in overtime to win it.


He definitely had a window of a couple years where he was as good as any kicker in the league, but I agree with CP that he was overrated when you look at his ENTIRE career.

Still, I remember the Dallas game in '79 when Staubach brought them back. What's often forgotten is the Redskins had driven to about the 40 yard line when time supposedly ran out. They were planning on attempting a Moseley kick from what would've been about 57 yards, and the way he was kicking that year, I think he just might've made it.

I remember Moseley in the locker room after that game - he was so mad. He said something like, "We're gonna beat everybody next year, we're gonna go through everybody."

They were 6-10.

he's just the all time points leader for the skins.so i don't think anyone can call him average. lohmiller was pretty good.REDSKINZ4EVER!!!