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Read that the cops were done speaking with him, and were just hoping he had any information that could help them. This did come from his attorney, so who knows how true it actually is.

Wonder if hes worth us looking into? Its no crime to know someone that was killed. Were there any other red flags that anyone has heard of? If not, and everything was nothing more than the cops looking for help by asking questions to someone that was a close to the victim.... would, and should, Scot look into signing him?

We absolutely should look into signing this guy. If he hasn't been charged with anything and he's done speaking with authorities, we should sign him today.

I feel really bad for him he's completely uninvolved in that situation.

Saying we should sign him is easier said than done. He falls in that undrafted free agent pool. We can't really outbid any teams for him.

Just based on what McGloughan has said the past few days though, I wouldn't expect him to be interested in Collins.

riggofan wrote:I feel really bad for him he's completely uninvolved in that situation.

Saying we should sign him is easier said than done. He falls in that undrafted free agent pool. We can't really outbid any teams for him.

Just based on what McGloughan has said the past few days though, I wouldn't expect him to be interested in Collins.

From what I've read, the guy's contract will basically be set at UFA levels (CBA rules). However, what teams can do is guarantee a lot of the salary, which at the maximum can make his contract's guaranteed money roughly equivalent to a 2nd round pick or so.

If he had nothing to do with the murder, as it appears is the case, he really got screwed with the timing of the tragedy. Millions of dollars gone.

(This is another example of how the CBA really punishes non-veterans. I can understand setting certain minimums, but for UFA why is there any maximum? If a team wants to give a guy 1st round money when no other teams wanted him, who cares? If a team wants to offer UFAs more than other teams, and they can manage their salary cap to do it, who cares?)

Irn-Bru wrote:

riggofan wrote:I feel really bad for him he's completely uninvolved in that situation.

Saying we should sign him is easier said than done. He falls in that undrafted free agent pool. We can't really outbid any teams for him.

Just based on what McGloughan has said the past few days though, I wouldn't expect him to be interested in Collins.

From what I've read, the guy's contract will basically be set at UFA levels (CBA rules). However, what teams can do is guarantee a lot of the salary, which at the maximum can make his contract's guaranteed money roughly equivalent to a 2nd round pick or so.

This is what I read on him today: "Collins will be free to choose where he signs, but the three-year deal would be for the league minimum. He's eligible for a signing bonus, but it's limited to the unused portion of a team's undrafted poll, which is between $80,000 and $90,000.

Regardless of the outcome, he will have lost millions of dollars.

The silver lining is he'll potentially be able to cash in on a second contract sooner than had he been drafted. He will be eligible for restricted free agency after his third season, with a one-year tag that will start at more than $1.5 million and could peak around $4 million."

Irn-Bru wrote:If he had nothing to do with the murder, as it appears is the case, he really got screwed with the timing of the tragedy. Millions of dollars gone.

No doubt man. I still find it weird that nobody was even willing to take him with a 7th round pick.

So then I guess the question is, is Scot throwing a smoke screen out there to make it look like we have no interest, or does he want to avoid the dc media circus and relation to what happened there that bad?

La'el thrown in with Scherff and Trent would be a nasty addition, and would put our line a year ahead of schedule i think.

Get him, plug him as LG, have moses and the rest of em fight for RG and backup rolls. Then we really only need a center.

I may be wrong but I think this kid is free to sign with any franchise ....

I just cannot understand why he wouldn't be calling Scot and begging for a chance to play for such a great organization

Prowl33 wrote:So then I guess the question is, is Scot throwing a smoke screen out there to make it look like we have no interest, or does he want to avoid the dc media circus and relation to what happened there that bad?

La'el thrown in with Scherff and Trent would be a nasty addition, and would put our line a year ahead of schedule i think.

Get him, plug him as LG, have moses and the rest of em fight for RG and backup rolls. Then we really only need a center.

What's the point of a smoke screen?

Like SJ wrote, this kid can sign with whichever team he wants. Unfortunately for him, its not going to be a money issue. There is a set amount of money he can make on this contract now, and there isn't a team in the league who can't afford it.

If I were Collins I'd be on the phone with Seattle, New England, Indianapolis, maybe Green Bay, etc; Might as well pick a spot where you can play for a winner.

riggofan wrote:

Prowl33 wrote:So then I guess the question is, is Scot throwing a smoke screen out there to make it look like we have no interest, or does he want to avoid the dc media circus and relation to what happened there that bad?

La'el thrown in with Scherff and Trent would be a nasty addition, and would put our line a year ahead of schedule i think.

Get him, plug him as LG, have moses and the rest of em fight for RG and backup rolls. Then we really only need a center.

What's the point of a smoke screen?

Like SJ wrote, this kid can sign with whichever team he wants. Unfortunately for him, its not going to be a money issue. There is a set amount of money he can make on this contract now, and there isn't a team in the league who can't afford it.

If I were Collins I'd be on the phone with Seattle, New England, Indianapolis, maybe Green Bay, etc; Might as well pick a spot where you can play for a winner.

if i were trying to land him, id be making a case why to sign wity me vs the other teams. If the other teams dont know we are in the picture, they cant deter him from signing with us

Scots an influential guy, he could speak to our vision and direction and sell him on the skins.

Where did he grow up? Maybe he has a favorite team.

Deadskins wrote:Where did he grow up? Maybe he has a favorite team.

No help there ... Louisiana boy, all the way. Grew up in Red Stick... (Baton Rouge, for Irn-Bru and the cultured among us).

riggofan wrote:[... Unfortunately for him, its not going to be a money issue. There is a set amount of money he can make on this contract now, and there isn't a team in the league who can't afford it.

If I were Collins I'd be on the phone with Seattle, New England, Indianapolis, maybe Green Bay, etc; Might as well pick a spot where you can play for a winner.

+1 - after what he's been through be nice for him to get a great start somewhere and get his payday the next time around - only 3 years

Sooo its notnlike the waiver wire where the crappy teams get first dibs?

This really sucks for this guy. It really does. I don't care how much lipstick you put on this pig, this situation blows.

Wow, if this guy really wasn't involved the timing of the draft is a shame for him. I was wondering if some team would take him in 6 or 7 round and state publicly they were gambling he was not involved at all. No teams dared to so this guy got screwed if he wasn't involved.

OldSchool wrote:Wow, if this guy really wasn't involved the timing of the draft is a shame for him. I was wondering if some team would take him in 6 or 7 round and state publicly they were gambling he was not involved at all. No teams dared to so this guy got screwed if he wasn't involved.

After like round 5 his agents told teams NOT to sign him or he would not sign his contract. At that point it was better for him to go undrafted. Im sure some teams did consider and have done it.

Apparently the cowpukes will sign anyone. They took gregory who is a nutcase after all

We have no clue whether he was involved in the situation or not.

The tragedy is that a pregnant woman was murdered.
If theres any chance he did it. I certainly do not want him on my team. You guys have no clue if he did it or not. Yet you want to sign him?

For me I find it strange that his pregnant ex girlfriend is murdered. Jealousy? Who knows? Thats why I want to stay far away from this. Usually where there is smoke there is fire.

Im sure the NFL coaches and scouts have more information about the situation then we might have.
So most teams have stayed far away from him. I take that as a clue that we should stay away as well.

HEROHAMO wrote:We have no clue whether he was involved in the situation or not.

The tragedy is that a pregnant woman was murdered.
If theres any chance he did it. I certainly do not want him on my team. You guys have no clue if he did it or not. Yet you want to sign him?

For me I find it strange that his pregnant ex girlfriend is murdered. Jealousy? Who knows? Thats why I want to stay far away from this. Usually where there is smoke there is fire.

Im sure the NFL coaches and scouts have more information about the situation then we might have.
So most teams have stayed far away from him. I take that as a clue that we should stay away as well.

I think the question is more if he really is innocent in this and it is well known and documented by all that it is, then should we try signing him.

I dont think anyone here wants to roll the dice if he may be involved in some way... but if he isnt, it would be like getting a mid 1st round draft pick on a low price tag.

HEROHAMO wrote:We have no clue whether he was involved in the situation or not.

The tragedy is that a pregnant woman was murdered.
If theres any chance he did it. I certainly do not want him on my team. You guys have no clue if he did it or not. Yet you want to sign him?

For me I find it strange that his pregnant ex girlfriend is murdered. Jealousy? Who knows? Thats why I want to stay far away from this. Usually where there is smoke there is fire.

Im sure the NFL coaches and scouts have more information about the situation then we might have.
So most teams have stayed far away from him. I take that as a clue that we should stay away as well.

Usually where there is smoke there is a smoke maker.

HEROHAMO wrote:We have no clue whether he was involved in the situation or not.

The tragedy is that a pregnant woman was murdered.
If theres any chance he did it. I certainly do not want him on my team. You guys have no clue if he did it or not. Yet you want to sign him?

For me I find it strange that his pregnant ex girlfriend is murdered. Jealousy? Who knows? Thats why I want to stay far away from this. Usually where there is smoke there is fire.

Im sure the NFL coaches and scouts have more information about the situation then we might have.
So most teams have stayed far away from him. I take that as a clue that we should stay away as well.

Thank God we have a justice system that every once in a while does things correctly. I'm not really coming down on you, but that post is awful after the first sentence.

Not only do the facts made public by the POLICE thus far completely refute your second sentence, you then state "You guys have no clue if he did it or not" FOLLOWED BY "Yet you want to sign him"?

The only reason not to sign him is if you think he did it. You clearly do think that, even though you're chastising every one else for having the same number of clues that you do (i.e. none). The only difference between us who think the team should sign him and you is, we've apparently read the statements thus far from the red stick police department.

This is one time where I doubt the NFL scouts have more information than we do (as of the draft, that is. the probably do have way more now). This bomb hit <3 days before the draft and the NFL only got reports from the police. They literally didn't have time to go into the whole thing at that point. More likely, their approach was to not take a chance with a case involving a dead, pregnant woman whose baby died shortly after by drafting the ex boyfriend who was being questioned by police during the draft. The NFL kinda has a black eye from their dealings with domestic issues in the last year or so, no?

yupchagee wrote:

HEROHAMO wrote:We have no clue whether he was involved in the situation or not.

The tragedy is that a pregnant woman was murdered.
If theres any chance he did it. I certainly do not want him on my team. You guys have no clue if he did it or not. Yet you want to sign him?

For me I find it strange that his pregnant ex girlfriend is murdered. Jealousy? Who knows? Thats why I want to stay far away from this. Usually where there is smoke there is fire.

Im sure the NFL coaches and scouts have more information about the situation then we might have.
So most teams have stayed far away from him. I take that as a clue that we should stay away as well.

Usually where there is smoke there is a smoke maker.

Prowl33 wrote:

OldSchool wrote:Wow, if this guy really wasn't involved the timing of the draft is a shame for him. I was wondering if some team would take him in 6 or 7 round and state publicly they were gambling he was not involved at all. No teams dared to so this guy got screwed if he wasn't involved.

After like round 5 his agents told teams NOT to sign him or he would not sign his contract. At that point it was better for him to go undrafted.

How so? As an UDFA he can sign a shorter term contract than as a draftee? That's the only reason that would make any sense. Maybe he can negotiate for more guaranteed money this way?

HEROHAMO wrote:We have no clue whether he was involved in the situation or not.

We don't know for sure, but we have some clues. The fact that he's not even a suspect, even after he talked to the police, tells us something.

The tragedy is that a pregnant woman was murdered.

There are two tragedies here. One is incomparably worse, and I don't think there's anyone who is denying this. But it's also a shame for La'el Collins, assuming his innocence, that the timing of the murder cost him millions of dollars. This is one of those both-and situations, not an either-or.

If theres any chance he did it. I certainly do not want him on my team. You guys have no clue if he did it or not. Yet you want to sign him?

If from all appearances it doesn't seem like he did, then yes, I do want to sign him. The guy is a huge talent, and just because he knew someone who was murdered does not mean he's suddenly not going to be a good addition to the team.

For me I find it strange that his pregnant ex girlfriend is murdered. Jealousy? Who knows? Thats why I want to stay far away from this. Usually where there is smoke there is fire.

You chastise everyone for not assuming he's guilty, and then here you are attributing motives and implying his guilt based on circumstantial evidence? Who is really the one with no clue here?

Im sure the NFL coaches and scouts have more information about the situation then we might have.
So most teams have stayed far away from him. I take that as a clue that we should stay away as well.

Actually, he's getting plenty of interest at the moment. I can guarantee you that. He will be signing with the team of his choice.

Welp.. this got out of hand pretty quick.

INNOCENT until proven guilty, we all have that RIGHT.

Fabricating a motive is easy- but if there isnt any evidence then its just a suspicion. If the kid isnt under arrest then its unlikely he will be charged, without any new evidence coming to light.


Signing new players and old, is a gamble- is this kid worth the gamble? I say hail ya!

Hope he picks us, as it appears he is free to choose bis favorite team

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:Hope he picks us, as it appears he is free to choose bis favorite team

Sigh... I imagine there is a certain grizzled tough, working-man's quarterback lobbying hard down in Nyawlins... gotta think they have the inside track, if they want him...