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So now that we have our newest member, what does everyone think of the choice?

I like it, he kind of seems like he will be the Ryan Kerrigan of our offense.

I really like what it does for our offensive line. We really needed at least 1-2 new starters and could probably tolerate as many as three. But of all the positions RT was the most important, so the fact that McCloughan's board lined up with that is nice.

It'll be a great pick if he can actually play RT. I keep reading that he's better suited to play Guard. Scott and our new OL coach must have been convinced he can pull it off, so I'll trust them, but I really hope we didn't spend a top-5 pick on an excellent Guard.

It's still nice to have a mean, hulking road grader on the line again, whichever position he plays.

I like this pick! This kid seems to be what we have been missing on the other side of the O-line (mean, nasty and aggressive). Of course we are getting criticized because it wasn't the "sexy" pick which always makes me laugh at these commentators and supposed experts but it's a solid pick never the less. We have failed for years to improve the O-line through the draft so CUDOS guys!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TS9Hq4bdFY0

Well might as well kick this off with a highlight video of Scherff.

At first I was dissapointed. However I like the pick the more I think about it. Seriously I dont think there were any offers for Williams. Otherwise Scotty would of traded down I believe.

We just got better at the Oline. This seriously will help our QB situation and running game. A huge plus for us.


Dude is seriously nasty as a blocker. Heres another highlight. I dont think I have seen so many pancakes from an Olineman before. Im dead serious. Just look at his film. He has more pancakes then IHOP.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZR1QIjOajA

It’s a solid pick, I just can’t help but to recall 2011 when we passed up an opportunity to draft JJ Watt…Scherff is solid but is Williams a game changer??? I’m going to trust our new GM, Scherff was the pick and Scot is known for being able to find value in the later rounds. I think this played into drafting Scherff. While I, and a lot of other thought Williams was the BPA, it’s hard not to like a big nasty OLineman!!

As I read about Scherff, I really like this pick. He is a very good athlete that played multiple sports including QB Good athlete that plays nasty, YES.

I love the pick. The Skins picked the #1 OT in the draft who can play LT but seems to be selected to be a road grading RT to improve the running game. I didn't expect this pick but immediately embraced it because:

1. It is definitely a Scot choice not a Daniel Snyder flashy pick. I loath Snyder and it appears now that Scot got to run FA and the draft, that is what this pick tells me.

2. Football is so much easier to win if your OL controls the line of scrimmage. We just picked the dominate OT in the draft I hope Scot uses the 2nd pick for a big nasty guard to go with Scherff. Iowa turns out a lot of quality OLM, Frentz develops OLM as good as anyone. This is a great pick in itself and I hope the hoping shot in a major OL upgrade.

This corn-fed fella will put guys on the turf.

watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TS9Hq4bdFY0

I am immensely impressed thus far with the choices Scot has made thus far:

1. Several quiet thoughtful moves to improve the defense. Nothing flashy, no big headline grabbing gambles but changes that look like sensible upgrades.

2. Exercising the 5th option on Griffin. Once I read the explanation of the rules I understood and I could see the multi-dimensional power of this move. A powerful incentive and a bold ultimatum at the same time the Skins said to Griffin in unmistakable language buckle down, show substantial progress and we’ll pave the road with riches for you. Show up clueless in the pocket and making the wrong drops again like 2014 and we’re done with you.

3. Getting a big and nasty OL again. Scherff is I hope the first step in several to create a dominant offensive line. I will be ecstatic if he adds a punishing OG with our next pick, I think he will.

Do the Skins really have one of the leagues smartest GM's and he's at the wheel making sensible decisions? I swear if Scot grabs a nasty guard next I'll be over the moon happy!

Hooligan wrote:It'll be a great pick if he can actually play RT. I keep reading that he's better suited to play Guard. Scott and our new OL coach must have been convinced he can pull it off, so I'll trust them, but I really hope we didn't spend a top-5 pick on an excellent Guard.

I'm sure Scherff can play guard. He can also play LT and RT. The team clearly thinks he's an immediate better option at RT than Tom Compton, so I'm not sure what fans are worried about.

Do you think Scot is done with o-line this draft?

A football team needs a powerful offensive line the way a race car needs a power engine. That's why this place is named in honor of the greatest OL ever...the first OL ever to be recognized as a unit and nick-named.

As best we can say, a fine pick.

riggofan wrote:

Hooligan wrote:It'll be a great pick if he can actually play RT. I keep reading that he's better suited to play Guard. Scott and our new OL coach must have been convinced he can pull it off, so I'll trust them, but I really hope we didn't spend a top-5 pick on an excellent Guard.

I'm sure Scherff can play guard. He can also play LT and RT. The team clearly thinks he's an immediate better option at RT than Tom Compton, so I'm not sure what fans are worried about.

Do you think Scot is done with o-line this draft?

I think the concern is that we may have used a #5 pick on a guard. If he struggles as a RT like some think he may then we used a #5 pick on a position you usually get in the later rounds while passing on the #1 rated player by many in the entire draft. I like Scherff and am not bummed we have him, there's no doubt he can contribute on this OL for years to come and maybe be a dominate run blocker, but personally i really wanted Leonard Williams as I think he's going to be a real difference maker in this league.

As far as being done with o-line in this draft, no I don't think he's personally done with the o-line. We definitely needed OL help and i''m glad we got it, i'm just bummed it came at the expense of losing out on Leonard Williams.

Its too bad Laken Tomlinson was taken late in the first round. He ans Scherff would have been a nice overhaul to the right side of the O Line. I guess the next best OG is probably AJ Cann, Kouandjio, or Tre Jackson. If we wanted to roll the dice, I guess Laell Collins might be in play as well.

PAPDOG67 wrote:Its too bad Laken Tomlinson was taken late in the first round. He ans Scherff would have been a nice overhaul to the right side of the O Line. I guess the next best OG is probably AJ Cann, Kouandjio, or Tre Jackson. If we wanted to roll the dice, I guess Laell Collins might be in play as well.

With you 100% man. OT in the first round and Tomlinson in the second was one of my dream scenarios for the team. I like Tre Jackson best in those guys that you mentioned.

I still think the best case scenario though is that Spencer Long is ready to start this year. We would be pretty well set at guard, maybe look to upgrade at center.

OldSchool wrote:Do the Skins really have one of the leagues smartest GM's and he's at the wheel making sensible decisions? I swear if Scot grabs a nasty guard next I'll be over the moon happy!

So, I was waiting for the howls of ridicule to start pouring from the mouths and keyboards of the dogs of the sports press over this pick... Virtually ALL had considered Williams to be, pretty much hands down, the best FOOTBALL player in the draft. Virtually ALL had downplayed Sherrf's readiness as a premier OL.

Yet, there is nary a sound. Why?

I can only conclude that they agree with your assessment. He really is one of the smartest football minds in the game, and they, tacitly via their silence, seem to acknowledge that he knows what he is talking about.

It's likely that one of the sources regarding Sherff's "softness" was Scot... You can't very well mock a man who just played you.

oneman56 wrote:I think the concern is that we may have used a #5 pick on a guard. If he struggles as a RT like some think he may then we used a #5 pick on a position you usually get in the later rounds while passing on the #1 rated player by many in the entire draft.

I guess we'll see. Just not sure that saying his best position may be guard is the same thing as saying he will struggle at RT. Do you think he'll be a better RT than Tom Compton?

As far as passing on the #1 rated player in the draft, I'll just point out again that five teams passed on the #1 rated player in the draft.

riggofan wrote:

oneman56 wrote:I think the concern is that we may have used a #5 pick on a guard. If he struggles as a RT like some think he may then we used a #5 pick on a position you usually get in the later rounds while passing on the #1 rated player by many in the entire draft.

I guess we'll see. Just not sure that saying his best position may be guard is the same thing as saying he will struggle at RT. Do you think he'll be a better RT than Tom Compton?

As far as passing on the #1 rated player in the draft, I'll just point out again that five teams passed on the #1 rated player in the draft.

Agreed, we'll see. With picking at #5 surely the baseline is not "is he better than tom compton?". He is absolutely better than Tom and if he's not then we made a catastrophic mistake. I'm just trying to point out what I think the concern is which is if he's not suitable for RT is #5 worth a guard?

You're right, 5 other teams did as well and I have no idea where we had Williams rated. I'm trusting Scot but i think many people, myself included, looked at Williams as a sure thing.

oneman56 wrote:Agreed, we'll see. With picking at #5 surely the baseline is not "is he better than tom compton?". He is absolutely better than Tom and if he's not then we made a catastrophic mistake. I'm just trying to point out what I think the concern is which is if he's not suitable for RT is #5 worth a guard?

Sure but didn't you just answer that question then? Tom Compton is a starting right tackle. If Scherff is better than Tom Compton then isn't Scherff a suitable RT? And yeah I agree Tom Compton isn't the baseline. We want Scherff to be Trent Williams on the right side.

Btw I thought it was interesting last week that Justin Pugh, the RT from the Giants, wanted them to draft Scherff to take HIS position:
http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york-giants ... on-scherff

oneman56 wrote:You're right, 5 other teams did as well and I have no idea where we had Williams rated. I'm trusting Scot but i think many people, myself included, looked at Williams as a sure thing.

Ian Rapoport from nfl.com said this the other day: "One reason why Leonard Williams has slipped is some teams flagged him with a shoulder (labrum) issue. Not all teams. But some in Top 10."

Loser papers for your amusement:

http://nypost.com/2015/04/30/giants-set ... e-scherff/
Giants settle for Miami OL Ereck Flowers after rivals swipe Scherff

The Giants wanted to take an offensive lineman in the first round of Thursday night’s NFL draft and had their eyes on Brandon Scherff, envisioning the Iowa stud as an immediate starter. But they knew Scherff might be off the board by the time the Giants picked at No. 9.

“We thought there was a chance he would go before us, maybe a pick or two, but not where he went,’’ said Marc Ross, the Giants’ vice president of player evaluation. “We felt really strongly going into it he probably would go ahead of us.’’

Indeed, Scherff was gone, even sooner than the Giants anticipated, as the Redskins — the NFC East rival Redskins, for goodness sakes — nabbed him at No. 5.
Modal Trigger

And so, the Giants went with Plan B.

the discussion should be around the possibility of this guy being a dominant offensive lineman for many, many years ...

if that is the case does it really matter which pick he was in the draft

Scot did not pick the best player available in the draft (Williams or maybe Mariota) - Brandon was the best player available for this franchise

I like it when the pick is based on the perception of what his value is to this franchise and not as Snyder would have done

Irn-Bru wrote:I really like what it does for our offensive line. We really needed at least 1-2 new starters and could probably tolerate as many as three. But of all the positions RT was the most important, so the fact that McCloughan's board lined up with that is nice.

agreed - except for Trent, the offensive line will be all new by the beginning of 2017 and the sooner the base starters are in place the better

I've liked this kid's attitude and play for a long while - great choice and a great beginning to this draft

SkinsJock wrote:the discussion should be around the possibility of this guy being a dominant offensive lineman for many, many years ...

Dominant would be great. Its been like seven years since we've had a dependable guy at RT. If Scherff is just solid and not a liability he will be an excellent addition to the team. lol.

Jon Jansen was our last solid right tackle IMO. I was wondering how Scherff might compare to him?

Scherff
First round pick out of Iowa
6'5" 319 lbs
225 lb bench reps: 23
40 time: 5.05
Rated 1 of 87 OTs by nfldraftscout.com

Jansen
6'6" 305 lb
225 lb bench reps: 22
40 time: 5.33
Rated 6 of 40 OTs by nfldraftscout
second round pick out of Michigan in 1999.
He played in 126 games and started 123 games for the Skins over 9 years
In 7 years he started all 16 games
He missed all of the 2004 season with a ruptured Achilles

Let's hope!

Man, some say he will make a RT and others say he will make a great guard and then there are some that think if anything happens to Trent, we have someone to step in. How could we go wrong? This was an awesome pick and on of many different levels; this needed to be made for this line. If we can run when we want, then we can pass when we want. We need to stop trying to be fancy and get to playing honest football!!! HAIL!!!! great pick!

SkinsJock wrote:

Irn-Bru wrote:I really like what it does for our offensive line. We really needed at least 1-2 new starters and could probably tolerate as many as three. But of all the positions RT was the most important, so the fact that McCloughan's board lined up with that is nice.

agreed - except for Trent, the offensive line will be all new by the beginning of 2017 and the sooner the base starters are in place the better

Speaking of - Trent is a free agent after this year. Hopefully they get working on new deals for him and Kerrigan soon.