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Possesses NFL size. Not a burner, but has enough functional movement outside of the pocket. Scouts label him ultra-competitive, tough and smart. Strong leader. Engineered 21-point fourth-quarter comeback win over TCU in 2014. Played through a back injury for most of his senior season. Doesn't have a cannon, but arm strength is NFL-starter quality. Deep-ball accuracy improved from 2013 to 2014. Understands when to throw the fastball and when to use touch. Gets feet set with good balance on delivery. Keeps ball at proper height on set-up and has quick release. Rarely underthrows deep passes, preferring to give only his wide receiver a chance to catch the ball. Can elude pressure and buy himself time to make a play.

SkinsJock wrote:I'd have no problem with them bringing in Petty but I'd find it hard to believe he'll be the BPA or even available - guy's a QB and should go fairly soon

riggofan wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:I'd have no problem with them bringing in Petty but I'd find it hard to believe he'll be the BPA or even available - guy's a QB and should go fairly soon

Yeah I don't really know if he's the BPA or not. That was sort of my question. Just curious if anybody had watched him, had any opinion on him as a player. Like I said, I'm kind of down on QBs from Baylor's system because of the RGIII experience. Maybe that's not entirely fair though.

I still really like the idea of drafting a mid round QB this year if there is one that SM has rated highly. It seems like a pretty weak year for QBs overall though, so maybe we just have to be patient for next year. Supposedly a deeper class in 2016:

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootbal ... lls-around

riggofan wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:I'd have no problem with them bringing in Petty but I'd find it hard to believe he'll be the BPA or even available - guy's a QB and should go fairly soon

Yeah I don't really know if he's the BPA or not. That was sort of my question. Just curious if anybody had watched him, had any opinion on him as a player. Like I said, I'm kind of down on QBs from Baylor's system because of the RGIII experience. Maybe that's not entirely fair though.

I still really like the idea of drafting a mid round QB this year if there is one that SM has rated highly. It seems like a pretty weak year for QBs overall though, so maybe we just have to be patient for next year. Supposedly a deeper class in 2016:

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootbal ... lls-around

DEHog wrote:Only saw Petty a few times last year and thought he missed a few easy throws. The windows are much tighter in the NFL so I’m not high on him. The Redskins really don’t need to draft a QB, they can sign an arm for camp after the draft. If they move Cousins for a draft pick then I can see them drafting a QB.

DEHog wrote:Only saw Petty a few times last year and thought he missed a few easy throws. The windows are much tighter in the NFL so I’m not high on him. The Redskins really don’t need to draft a QB, they can sign an arm for camp after the draft. If they move Cousins for a draft pick then I can see them drafting a QB.

Countertrey wrote:I hear you, and have the same thoughts... but, I look at him... and, something in me sees Ben Rothesberger... with nimble feet and a bigger arm. I have a feeling that he could be one of those guys that teams regret not drafting...

SkinsJock wrote:

DEHog wrote:Only saw Petty a few times last year and thought he missed a few easy throws. The windows are much tighter in the NFL so I’m not high on him. The Redskins really don’t need to draft a QB, they can sign an arm for camp after the draft. If they move Cousins for a draft pick then I can see them drafting a QB.

This would be an early indicator of the coaches and FO thinking that Griffin is making some progress - if that happens, they definitely are bringing in another QB

riggofan wrote:

Countertrey wrote:I hear you, and have the same thoughts... but, I look at him... and, something in me sees Ben Rothesberger... with nimble feet and a bigger arm. I have a feeling that he could be one of those guys that teams regret not drafting...

I heard the Saints are interested in him. Roethlisberger, eh?

Jameis Winston and Marcus Mariota are expected to be the only quarterbacks selected Thursday in the first round of the NFL draft, despite questions -- albeit very different ones -- about their ability to succeed as the offensive cornerstone of an NFL franchise.

However, for one NFL executive, the correct draft lever to pull at the quarterback position might not have either of their names on it.

"I wouldn't be surprised if (Colorado State's Garrett) Grayson was better than all of them," the executive told USA Today Sports. "I just think he's got the intangibles. He's got a good presence about himself in the pocket. He's got the physical traits. His arm's strong enough, and I think he's got the right temperament."

Citing Grayson's poise and ability to read the field, NFL Media analyst Daniel Jeremiah rated Grayson as the third-best quarterback prospect in the draft more than two months ago, prior to the NFL Scouting Combine. But Grayson might not be picked in Round 2, or even on Day 2 (Rounds 2-3). Representatives from three NFC clubs told The Coloradoan that they have mid- to late-round grades on Grayson, and the one who believes he could be the best of the draft class actually has him rated as the No. 4 QB available. Baylor's Bryce Petty and UCLA's Brett Hundley are also contenders to be the third quarterback selected.

It all makes for a muddy picture at the position after the Winston and Mariota drama passes with their selections.

The primary concern NFL scouts have about Winston is his maturity. For Mariota, it's his adaptability to a pro-style offense. For Grayson, neither appears to be an issue.

"I met with the Rams last week and got up on the board drawing some of their offensive plays. Some of their plays were literally the exact same plays, same verbiage (as CSU)," Grayson told The Coloradoan. "Things like that have definitely helped me up through this process."

The New Orleans Saints will put Grayson through his fifth private workout Monday, and the St. Louis Rams, Miami Dolphins, San Diego Chargers and Dallas Cowboys are the other teams that have worked him out, according to the report.

SkinsJock wrote:why would they be OK with moving Cousins - he seems like a decent back up and Griffin still has a lot to prove - maybe because they know more about how Griffin is responding to all the criticism about his future than we all do

SkinsJock wrote:the closer it gets the more weird the information being 'released' by the franchises - everyone has an agenda today

misleading information and outright lying is standard fare

Deadskins wrote:If we draft a QB, then one of the three under contract has to go. No way are we carrying four into the season.

Deadskins wrote:My guess would be Cousins, because I don't think RGIII is going anywhere, and teams already could have gotten McCoy when he was a FA, if they wanted him. Now, this doesn't necessarily mean that the trade has to happen before, or during the draft (though that is most likely), but if we draft a QB, you can pretty much guarantee Kirk has played his last game for the burgundy and gold.

Deadskins wrote:If we draft a QB, then one of the three under contract has to go. No way are we carrying four into the season. My guess would be Cousins, because I don't think RGIII is going anywhere, and teams already could have gotten McCoy when he was a FA, if they wanted him. Now, this doesn't necessarily mean that the trade has to happen before, or during the draft (though that is most likely), but if we draft a QB, you can pretty much guarantee Kirk has played his last game for the burgundy and gold.

DarthMonk wrote:

Deadskins wrote:If we draft a QB, then one of the three under contract has to go. No way are we carrying four into the season. My guess would be Cousins, because I don't think RGIII is going anywhere, and teams already could have gotten McCoy when he was a FA, if they wanted him. Now, this doesn't necessarily mean that the trade has to happen before, or during the draft (though that is most likely), but if we draft a QB, you can pretty much guarantee Kirk has played his last game for the burgundy and gold.

How much money would we have spent on Colt this year and what would the cap hit be if we cut him in mid-August?

riggofan wrote:

DarthMonk wrote:

Deadskins wrote:If we draft a QB, then one of the three under contract has to go. No way are we carrying four into the season. My guess would be Cousins, because I don't think RGIII is going anywhere, and teams already could have gotten McCoy when he was a FA, if they wanted him. Now, this doesn't necessarily mean that the trade has to happen before, or during the draft (though that is most likely), but if we draft a QB, you can pretty much guarantee Kirk has played his last game for the burgundy and gold.

How much money would we have spent on Colt this year and what would the cap hit be if we cut him in mid-August?

Its a $1.5m contract for the year with only the $150K signing bonus guaranteed. He has a roster bonus of $156K that he'll hit before August I think. That $300K is the dead cap space for the year if he gets cut in August. I'm not sure when his base salary starts getting prorated and added to that number. Either way its not a killer.